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The Republican Position - 10/8/2013 9:20:44 PM

cloudboy

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Shut down the government, but pay all the workers their full salaries to stay home.

"We want deficit reduction and spending decreases, but we also want to pay government workers for not working."

"We'll only 'negotiate' with Democrats while we pay government workers for not performing government services."

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/8/2013 9:24:02 PM

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Sweet deal. Where's my government job?

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/8/2013 9:55:24 PM

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They don't have the teeth to pay the Tiger to use his fangs, compadre, so sorry, no job for you.

and it's not REPUBLICANS, it's the Teapots, dammit, because saying it's Republicans is like saying that The Calvinist Bloodshed was "all Christians" and it WASN'T.

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/8/2013 10:02:20 PM

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It`s crystal clear what their ransom demands are......

"We’re not going to be disrespected,” conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., added. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”

http://swampland.time.com/2013/10/02/congressman-stutzman-he-has-no-idea-what-the-gop-wants/

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/8/2013 10:06:51 PM

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CRACKED

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PHILOSOPHY!!!!

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/8/2013 10:08:13 PM

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LOL.

Boy, these discussions would be a lot easier for the libs and Obamabots, if they could tell the conservatives what we think.

Paying people not to work is more bullshit, but in the stupid game the President insists on playing, I don't imagine we've seen the end of it yet.

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/8/2013 10:10:47 PM

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Could you stop using such a tiny font?

K.

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/8/2013 10:13:39 PM

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Once you stop employing direct and honest and non passive aggressive commentary and resort to cockless snarking, sure.

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 12:40:16 AM

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 4:37:38 AM

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The GOP has a lot of problems here, in this shutdown and also generally. One of them is a lack of sharp message.

1. The shutdown has two, kinda-linked purposes - Obamacare and the spending. When originally started, it was all about the ACA. Now it's more about spending. So the public is confused about what the point is. I suspect that, once the shutdown started, the GOP's polls showed that public opinion wasn't with them if the fight was about the ACA, so they tried again.
2. The leader is unclear. Boehner has reluctantly been leader for negotiations, but his heart isn't in it. He never wanted the shutdown in the first place, and Obama is forcing him to not be in a good position to negotiate. Cruz wants to push it and is considered the leader within the GOP, but I suspect his sole motivation is to use this issue to burnish his own credentials as a twue conservative and leader, with no regard to how it affects his party. I suspect Cruz will be surprised how the rest of the party will refuse to work with him after this stunt.
3. It's an unfortunate coincidence for the GOP that the debt limit vote is occurring so close to the CR-based shutdown. Confusion is never good for the side trying to make a point, and the debt ceiling potential fight and the CR fight are getting confused in the public's mind. If the GOP had been smarter, they would have passed a six week clean CR, quietly approved the raising of the debt limit ceiling, and then done the shutdown when the CR expired.

I have been shocked at how badly the GOP has done tactics since W's administration left. Rove sold out to run Crossroads, which I suspect pays better than government work, and nobody's replaced him as a numbers wonk - they're driven by pure ideology and rejection of reality.

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 5:08:50 AM

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You forgot the democrat position....

Blame everything on the right.

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 5:15:18 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

You forgot the democrat position....

Blame everything on the right.

At this point, my position is blame everyone on capital hill for this fucked up mess.

I am presently trying to work out a plan to use meta materials to make an airship invisible so that I can drop a few million pounds of cow manure on the capital and then have either James Earl Jones or Morgan Freeman speak and broadcast their voice on 300 DB speakers, something like "this is the only divine warning you get, next time it is fire and brimstone. Get your shit together and quit claiming to speak for me"

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 5:28:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
I can drop a few million pounds of cow manure on the capital

On the theory that cowshit and bullshit should mate?

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 5:54:59 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
The GOP has a lot of problems here, in this shutdown and also generally. One of them is a lack of sharp message.
1. The shutdown has two, kinda-linked purposes - Obamacare and the spending. When originally started, it was all about the ACA. Now it's more about spending. So the public is confused about what the point is. I suspect that, once the shutdown started, the GOP's polls showed that public opinion wasn't with them if the fight was about the ACA, so they tried again.

Actually, not quite true. This shutdown was over the CR. There was a debt limit fight coming up in Nov/Dec. IIRC. The shutdown started with the CR, but has brought the debt limit into it, too. It's about both. It was entirely possible that we'd have seen a shutdown fight over the debt limit, regardless of what happened with this CR. Obama refusing to negotiate until he gets both a clean CR and a raised debt ceiling is disingenuous. What is there to negotiate on if you have already gotten what you want?

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2. The leader is unclear. Boehner has reluctantly been leader for negotiations, but his heart isn't in it. He never wanted the shutdown in the first place, and Obama is forcing him to not be in a good position to negotiate. Cruz wants to push it and is considered the leader within the GOP, but I suspect his sole motivation is to use this issue to burnish his own credentials as a twue conservative and leader, with no regard to how it affects his party. I suspect Cruz will be surprised how the rest of the party will refuse to work with him after this stunt.

Republicans didn't want to shut government down. Republicans also didn't want to continue Obamacare. They were willing to grind government to a (pseudo) halt to that end. Boehner controls the HoR and could bring any bill to the floor he wants. He doesn't need approval from Senator Cruz. If there is Republican support for a clean CR, then there needs to be a vote showing it. If there is support, that support needs to stand up and represent their constituents, rather than party. I'm going to go ahead and assume there are also Democrats who don't support Obamacare, but are equally keeping quiet because of party politics.

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3. It's an unfortunate coincidence for the GOP that the debt limit vote is occurring so close to the CR-based shutdown. Confusion is never good for the side trying to make a point, and the debt ceiling potential fight and the CR fight are getting confused in the public's mind. If the GOP had been smarter, they would have passed a six week clean CR, quietly approved the raising of the debt limit ceiling, and then done the shutdown when the CR expired.
I have been shocked at how badly the GOP has done tactics since W's administration left. Rove sold out to run Crossroads, which I suspect pays better than government work, and nobody's replaced him as a numbers wonk - they're driven by pure ideology and rejection of reality.

There is no rejection of reality. That's just a talking point.

Both sides are driven by ideology more than anything. Both sides work more for re-election than anything. The reality is that we could have a knock-down drag out over the CR and another one over the debt limit. To think that the GOP would have gotten off easier had they passed a clean 6-week CR, raised the debt limit, and then come up with this shutdown fight and not been chastised like they are now is rejecting reality. What you've proposed is the GOP forcing a shutdown (which is how it will be painted) right as Christmas is coming up (which is how it will be framed). Not only will the GOP still take a beating over the shutdown, but it will be worse because of the holidays.

Worst thing is, it takes two to tango, but only the GOP is getting blamed.

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 6:02:58 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
You forgot the democrat position....
Blame everything on the right.

At this point, my position is blame everyone on capital hill for this fucked up mess.
I am presently trying to work out a plan to use meta materials to make an airship invisible so that I can drop a few million pounds of cow manure on the capital and then have either James Earl Jones or Morgan Freeman speak and broadcast their voice on 300 DB speakers, something like "this is the only divine warning you get, next time it is fire and brimstone. Get your shit together and quit claiming to speak for me"

Isn't there enough shit in DC already?!?

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 6:15:44 AM

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FR -

Janet Yellen's the new head FED.

Nothing has changed.

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 7:33:09 AM

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And what should change at the Fed?

Open market operations? Up or down, and how much?
Altering reserve requirements? Up or down, and how much?
Adjusting the discount rate: Up or down, and how much?

And who would chair that if not Yellen? You really can't have republicans in there, they are innumerate.

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 7:46:22 AM

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But there is one party, since this president took office, that has continually threatened to shut this country down, and devastate the economy, dismantle it, and our credit rating, all the while borrowing and spending like there is no tomorrow. And then disingenuously blathering 'compromise'.

That is the entire and total republican position.

There are no examples of any other real viable position in that party.

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 8:32:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

Worst thing is, it takes two to tango, but only the GOP is getting blamed.

Not exactly. The Republicans in Congress are getting the most blame, but that doesn't mean that everyone else is being considered blameless.

AP-GfK Poll as reported by USA Today (Video)

If you view the graphic below, you'll see that while 62% of those polled consider Republicans in Congress to be almost all/a lot responsible for the shutdown, almost half (49%) consider the responsibility to be shouldered by the President or Democrats in Congress. There is a clear majority blaming the GoP, but I find the relatively narrow gap to be indicative of there being plenty of blame spread around amongst all the players.

Interestingly enough, of those parties identified by the poll, the Tea Party movement appears to be viewed by a smaller percentage as holding major responsibility. That seems to fly in the face of some here who would proclaim otherwise.

Edited: Sorry... the graphic was way too large.

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 8:36:45 AM

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