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TigressLily -> RE: The Covert Messiah (10/23/2013 12:07:55 PM)
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(Not trying to get in the last word--just don't want you to feel slighted, although I don't get the impression that you are as hypersensitive. *Meant that in a good way.*)
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
Are you by any chance a creationist? I ask because that's a term mostly just used by creationists, I can't say I'm aware of many who refer to themselves as materialists.
I'm actually a methodological naturalist.
Yes, I've come full circle. Alpha-Omega-Alpha. Is there such a thing as a naturalistic creationist? I don't regard "evolution" to be a dirty word. ("Devolution" is, however.) It simply wasn't the starting point. It's a transitional/transformative/metamorphical organic process, in the same way that Nature and animal behavior teach us organically, including this vast cosmos. Not so enigmatic for humans to have evolved from hunter-gatherer to agrarian societies, cultivated animal/plant hybrids, refined livestock strains. The proper application of eugenics. (Consider how many pet breeds we have within the past few centuries that never existed before throughout history.)
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
Nope, OBE's are invokable at the push of a button with no "tutelage" whatsoever. It demonstrably is not a prerequisite.
The brain compiles data from multiple senses to generate a sense of your physical location, if that sense data's conflicting or those regions of the brain aren't operating properly you can receive a feeling of being in the wrong place or even a full blown delusion as the brain tries to cope with the bad data. Out of body experiences aren't proof of some astral psychic woo they are just a glitch.
You and I are talking about apples & oranges, or else grapefruit & oranges. Ordinarily OBEs are a natural spontaneous, coping-mechanism response to the body being in extreme distress or having suffered physical trauma causing an extreme shock to the system. I really don't want to go into the subject of comas & induced comas. (My father came out of 2-month coma but the tracheotomy made it impossible for him to regain speech; my mother had to have comas induced so that her elderly body had any fighting chance whatsoever to recover from her 3 back-to-back heart surgeries.) These are involuntary experiences.
My concern is safety when it comes to those who deliberately set out to trigger an OBE, aka astral projection/travel, whatever their motivation is. You may consider it noble in the interests of science. I'm concerned about unsafe BDSM practices for those who seek to induce OBE states. I'm not an s-type, so I have no first-hand experience about "subspace" or even what others get out of sado-masochism. There is no required tutelage for BDSMers either, most of us started out winging it, working out assorted techniques as we went along. But would you trust yourself to experiment on your sub with a potentially dangerous practice which requires a high Topping skillset without any prior instruction? Only an irresponsible, reckless Master/Mistress would turn away mentorship from a more experienced Master. I had one sub partner who showed me a third of what I know, because my D/s experience had been limited to my marriage; he would have taught me more, but I wasn't interested in exploring those other kinks.
Not the best analogy either, but one could conceivably drop a hit of LSD all by himself in an unstructured environment, without a safe buddy or anyone to guide him or be there to spot him in case he experienced a bad acid trip. The rest of his life he would be subject to flashbacks, worse than unpredictable PTSD-triggered panic attacks. Short-circuiting of his brain's wiring, of his entire nervous system, would result in dual diagnosis mental illness of schizo-effective disorder most often. Medications can address the mental illness aspect, no effectiveness guaranteed, but there is no treatment for LSD overdose. It's not an addictive form of substance abuse, and there is no detoxification process other than riding out the storm. For those afflicted, this could become a life sentence worse than a quick & painless death. It operates much like a dormant virus, which could flare back up at any stressful moment.
I take back what I said about being naïve. I can see you're more hardened than that. Y'all need to lighten up over here at P&R or you'll end up losing any shred of real objectivity. This particular subject is a wrap for me unless it is germane to the original discussion topic.
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