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Nosathro -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/14/2013 10:10:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: nighthawk3569

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro


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ORIGINAL: nighthawk3569


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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Stand Your Ground Law = License to Kill


Stand Your Ground Law = Best Thing Ever Happened to Law-Abiding Citizens

'hawk



Tell that to Nile's parents and others who stood their ground and killed an innocent person.


She should have had that 'young, innocent boy' home, in bed, at that time of morning...instead of him roaming the streets. Then nothing would have happened to him. Unless, of course, his home was broken into...then he could have shot the invader and pleaded SYG.

'hawk


So typical "Blame the victim"




BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/14/2013 10:14:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Maestro702

Hawk, please don't let the left confuse you. SYG has nothing to do with being in ones home, it is only for public places where one is legally allowed to be.

Misdirection like this is SOP for him.

I have to apologize I don't know of nighthawk using misdirection




Lucylastic -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/14/2013 3:28:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Maestro702


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: Maestro702

The original article was from a left wing, activist Blog, it wasn't a news source at all.....


We have not got the details to make a real judgment here. Not that that would stop a ridiculous blog like Thinkprogress, from making judgments. Or getting its drones all fired up about it.

Pssssst smarty pants.....
I backed it up on page 1, with two local sources.
For a reason.
Is there a fact wrong? Did the victim die needlessly.
Biased? Depends on your definition.
The decision is being appealed.
The fewer idiots with guns thinking they can get away with killing innocent people via a law with more holes in it than a second hand dart board, the better.



well I will let the smartypants insult go by, except to note that there is a reason you resort to insults.

And yes it did indeed have factually incorrect stuff, as has been pointed out by more than one poster.....SYG was not used at all by the defense. PPP is the statute used by the defense, and it is a codification of existing case law providing "Castle Doctrine". SYG has nothing to do with this case at all, except by ghoulish activists who are trying to hijack this tragedy, before we know all the facts.

And any source (or poster) that pretends Castle Doctrine and SYG are the same is biased and cant be taken as "truth"

i get called a drone, but calling you smartypants is an insult, ahuh sure ting dood(giving you a thicker skin)




moapaadom -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/14/2013 3:32:21 PM)

No I did not.

And I answered your question, your OP "article" (Activist blog)and your subsequent links have a serious factual error, due to bias.


Your response?




thompsonx -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/14/2013 3:32:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Nobody seems to care about the thugetts



According to the link they testified in court and were not arrested while doing so.




thompsonx -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/14/2013 3:34:14 PM)


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Here is a statement from the victims family. It would seem the girls in question were indeed interviewed by the police.

http://www.wistv.com/story/23671666/read-the-statement-from-the-niles-family

That's quite a different story, if true. But then, how often do we see a mother crying that her violent criminal son was "good boy". It just doesn't pass the smell test that such damning information would have been overlooked. I wish we had the whole story.

K.




She does not say that in the link posted?




Lucylastic -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/14/2013 3:42:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Maestro702

No I did not.

And I answered your question, your OP "article" (Activist blog)and your subsequent links have a serious factual error, due to bias.


Your response?

yes you did. you're not worth the contempt or the gold email.
edited cos I confuzzled




moapaadom -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/14/2013 3:53:41 PM)

Now your making stuff up.

Have fun with that.


That you have no response to the fact that your "article" (from a left wing activist blog), contained a serious factual error is noted.

Also that the left (at least a subset of them) is trying to (falsely) turn this into a SYG issue over the families objection is noted.





moapaadom -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/14/2013 3:55:32 PM)

Why don't you show me the quote of me calling you a drone then?

I guess the same reason we aren't seeing any quotes of what the judge "clearly stated".




Just0Us0Two -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/14/2013 4:09:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Maestro702
I guess the same reason we aren't seeing any quotes of what the judge "clearly stated".



The judge's ruling doesn't seem to be available, I'm guessing because it's being appealed. The best I can find are the following:

http://www.pressherald.com/news/nationworld/Stand_Your_Ground_Act_cited_in_teen_s_death_.html
“When the defendant fired the shot, he reasonably believed he was being attacked ... at his home,” said a 12-page order by Circuit Judge Maite Murphy filed Wednesday afternoon."

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/10/south-carolina-father-wins-self-defense-immunity-in-shooting-of-bystander/
"The father, Shannon Scott, argued that his conduct was covered under South Carolina’s self-defense immunity law in a pre-trial hearing before Judge Maite Murphy, and the Judge announced his agreement in a 12-page ruling filed yesterday."




moapaadom -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/14/2013 4:15:33 PM)

That doesn't make sense to me, I assume it is because it takes a little time for it to get released and posted on line.

I admit, I am predisposed to think the judge had valid reasons for ruling the way he did. If that turns out to be un-warranted I want Shannon to fry in the electric chair for what he did.




Lucylastic -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/14/2013 4:17:58 PM)

yes because there are no court papers....unless your right wing info sites have them??? Ive looked...

PPP , SYG, Castle Doctrine, have been thrown about willy nilly, also have been stated *Protection of Persons and Property ACT, otherwise known as the Castle Doctrine or "Stand Your Ground" law. being used is NOT just one or two local or international NEWS sites, videos, etc etc etc
Obviously your "opinion, its an important factual error, have at it, more power to you
the decision is going for appeal...semantic maybe , serious factual error??
go complain to all the news/AP local papers/websites/
cos I couldnt give a flying fart about your ONE "serious" flaw.
What families objection?
oh never mind
ps... look up your own words. its easy....
I used Think Progress, ..ergo... in your considered opinion im also a drone.
im done with glossing over the killer getting immunity for killing an innocent victim wether its PPP stand your ground, or castle doctrine, its a poor attempt to gloss over the needless death.




moapaadom -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/14/2013 4:31:09 PM)

actually they are only being thrown around "willy nilly" by folks with Bias and the drones who un questioningly accept what activists tell them.

There is a simple clear cut difference between the two.


The families statement has been referenced more than once in this thread( by folks other than Me)...Are you not even bothering to read your own thread before commenting?

I guess I will repost it for the 3rd or 4th time, seems like a silly waste of time since you ignored it before.

http://www.wistv.com/story/23671666/read-the-statement-from-the-niles-family

"We understand that the stand your ground law has caused an uproar in our nation at this time, but we do not feel as if it is applicable to this case. "


But really, who gives a fuck what the family of the dead young man wants, certainly not the 'good folks' over at Thinkprogress or their drones




deathtothepixies -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/14/2013 4:37:18 PM)


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But really, who gives a fuck what the family of the dead young man wants


nice.......America, fuck yeah!




Politesub53 -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/14/2013 4:44:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

There is a difference between telling someone that they can't have an opinion because they don't live here and that they don't understand the laws here because they don't live here.
And from your posts I would say he meant the latter in this case.



Says one of the people which stated I shouldnt be posting as I wasnt American.

It seems to be a common tack by Republicans who dont wish to have anyone challenge the shit they post. I have never been told I shouldnt be posting by someone who is Democrat..... Odd aint it boi ?




Lucylastic -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/14/2013 4:46:32 PM)

As a family, we have waited patiently, quietly and painfully for the last three years. We even remained silent, painful, yet hopeful during the Zimmerman case. We did not come this far not to receive justice for Darrell. We know that there is nothing we can do to bring Darrell back, but we will now speak on behalf of all innocent bystanders.
We were present in court every day and heard every statement. We are appalled by the judges decision. The 4 teenagers that testified on Shannon Scott's behalf, gave 4 different stories. After each of their testimonies, it was revealed that each of them changed their stories from three years ago (statements were read aloud in court). Please, please, please understand that there are so many details being left out. Kudos to Todd Rutherford for being a good lawyer. However, Shannon Scott's roommate and his girlfriend testified that Shannon came into his room, grabbed his gun without telling them to get down or about any threat and immediately walked outside shooting.
They testified that the first shot was close to the house and happened immediately after Shannon went out of his front door. They said the second shot was far off. This matches the statement (read in court) given by the shooter in the car of so called "women thugs". She said she wanted the person that was shooting at her to know that she also had a gun, so she shot back.
As Rutherford mentioned on WIS news, the young lady did give a statement to police stating that she was going to shoot Shannon's house up, but Rutherford failed to mention that her sentence ended in "after someone shot at me, but my friends talked me out of it."
She felt the need to defend herself. Prior to this case, Shannon had no knowledge that the girls planned to shoot at his home. He found out in court and Mr. Rutherford capitalized on it in his closing statement to paint a picture that did not happen. Even the 911 call made by Shannon's wife, at the time girlfriend, which was played in court said, "there is a white SUV full of girls parked at Allstate".
She stated that Shannon heard her say this. So, how did he end up shooting a red Honda that contained two boys? The young man riding with Darrell also testified that Shannon shot first. He saw him walk out and start shooting. He also testified of a second shot that was far off. The 911 call gave details on where the girls were (parked at Allstate...a few houses down and two the right of Shannon's home) and pictures revealed where my Darrell's car ended (pictures shown in court....like two houses down and to the left of Shannon's home).
That doesn't make for an off shot. That makes for bad judgement. Shannon also testified that he saw the vehicle that posed a threat come down the street with it's headlights off. Pictures shown revealed that Darrell's headlights were on. Nonetheless, this man was shooting at kids. Yes, teenagers can pose a threat and we understand wanting to protect your child, but by any means necessary and without judgement?!?

There was a sign at his home that said, "Shoot first. Ask questions later." He did exactly that. Regardless of what his lawyer wants people to believe, Shannon shot first. He created the biggest threat and took an innocent bystanders life. He shot at a car that had the windows up (pictures shown in court).
That is not standing your ground.

We understand that the stand your ground law has caused an uproar in our nation at this time, but we do not feel as if it is applicable to this case.


We are confident in the facts. Not the painted picture of Rutherford, who helped write the stand your ground law. Thanks to everyone in support of justice in this case. We thank you. We solicit your prayers. One thing is for sure, facts do not lie!!

the FULL statement... now

please tell me, which part states the families objection to SYG?? the red part?? sounds to me, like they are calling for a real charge of manslaughter*at least*
PS legalinsurrection.com is a conservative blog

This original OP was removed and then reposted as I was looking for more info, the further links are ON the first page, and further thru the thread...I do not only use activist sites, nor one newspaper.... Ive linked to links others did not post.





Just0Us0Two -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/14/2013 5:38:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

PS legalinsurrection.com is a conservative blog

This original OP was removed and then reposted as I was looking for more info, the further links are ON the first page, and further thru the thread...I do not only use activist sites, nor one newspaper.... Ive linked to links others did not post.


Which is why, when I posted it, I clearly said some people may not consider this a valid source since it seems to lean right. However, it's the only source I've found that was written by a lawyer. Someone who knows what the applicable statutes are and isn't just guessing.




Lucylastic -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/14/2013 5:46:08 PM)

I have no quarrel with your posting it.... or even that it is written by a lawyer in securities.
Im sure more legal "eagles" will have their say once the judges decision is put up for attacking:)




moapaadom -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/14/2013 7:39:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

As a family, we have waited patiently, quietly and painfully for the last three years. We even remained silent, painful, yet hopeful during the Zimmerman case. We did not come this far not to receive justice for Darrell. We know that there is nothing we can do to bring Darrell back, but we will now speak on behalf of all innocent bystanders.
We were present in court every day and heard every statement. We are appalled by the judges decision. The 4 teenagers that testified on Shannon Scott's behalf, gave 4 different stories. After each of their testimonies, it was revealed that each of them changed their stories from three years ago (statements were read aloud in court). Please, please, please understand that there are so many details being left out. Kudos to Todd Rutherford for being a good lawyer. However, Shannon Scott's roommate and his girlfriend testified that Shannon came into his room, grabbed his gun without telling them to get down or about any threat and immediately walked outside shooting.
They testified that the first shot was close to the house and happened immediately after Shannon went out of his front door. They said the second shot was far off. This matches the statement (read in court) given by the shooter in the car of so called "women thugs". She said she wanted the person that was shooting at her to know that she also had a gun, so she shot back.
As Rutherford mentioned on WIS news, the young lady did give a statement to police stating that she was going to shoot Shannon's house up, but Rutherford failed to mention that her sentence ended in "after someone shot at me, but my friends talked me out of it."
She felt the need to defend herself. Prior to this case, Shannon had no knowledge that the girls planned to shoot at his home. He found out in court and Mr. Rutherford capitalized on it in his closing statement to paint a picture that did not happen. Even the 911 call made by Shannon's wife, at the time girlfriend, which was played in court said, "there is a white SUV full of girls parked at Allstate".
She stated that Shannon heard her say this. So, how did he end up shooting a red Honda that contained two boys? The young man riding with Darrell also testified that Shannon shot first. He saw him walk out and start shooting. He also testified of a second shot that was far off. The 911 call gave details on where the girls were (parked at Allstate...a few houses down and two the right of Shannon's home) and pictures revealed where my Darrell's car ended (pictures shown in court....like two houses down and to the left of Shannon's home).
That doesn't make for an off shot. That makes for bad judgement. Shannon also testified that he saw the vehicle that posed a threat come down the street with it's headlights off. Pictures shown revealed that Darrell's headlights were on. Nonetheless, this man was shooting at kids. Yes, teenagers can pose a threat and we understand wanting to protect your child, but by any means necessary and without judgement?!?

There was a sign at his home that said, "Shoot first. Ask questions later." He did exactly that. Regardless of what his lawyer wants people to believe, Shannon shot first. He created the biggest threat and took an innocent bystanders life. He shot at a car that had the windows up (pictures shown in court).
That is not standing your ground.

We understand that the stand your ground law has caused an uproar in our nation at this time, but we do not feel as if it is applicable to this case.


We are confident in the facts. Not the painted picture of Rutherford, who helped write the stand your ground law. Thanks to everyone in support of justice in this case. We thank you. We solicit your prayers. One thing is for sure, facts do not lie!!

the FULL statement... now

please tell me, which part states the families objection to SYG?? the red part?? sounds to me, like they are calling for a real charge of manslaughter*at least*
PS legalinsurrection.com is a conservative blog

This original OP was removed and then reposted as I was looking for more info, the further links are ON the first page, and further thru the thread...I do not only use activist sites, nor one newspaper.... Ive linked to links others did not post.




That's a lot of words to confirm that what I said was correct.

I have no idea why you want to pretend that the families formal statement, which they prepared with their lawyer, means something other than what they specifically said. But it is clear that the ghoulish left (which is not all the left, just a subset) doesn't give a damn about their wishes. Shannon WAS charged with Murder, so I doubt saying SYG is not applicable to this case means they want him charged with manslaughter.

I think their formal statement is what they meant. You are free however, to use the family as pawns if you like though. It seems disgusting to me though.




moapaadom -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/14/2013 7:43:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies


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But really, who gives a fuck what the family of the dead young man wants


nice.......America, fuck yeah!


Trimming sentences to produce a different meaning, while pretending its an honest quote.

Fuck yeah, lets just pretend! UK, UK, UK all the Way!




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