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Lucylastic -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/15/2013 4:36:48 PM)
no no no PS they are all left leaning sources, they dont have SYG or castle doctrine, its PPP or you are being dishonest dontcha know[:D] and STOP disrespecting the family!!! [8\|][sm=passthelube.gif][sm=alien.gif]

Politesub53 -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/15/2013 4:50:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic no no no PS they are all left leaning sources, they dont have SYG or castle doctrine, its PPP or you are being dishonest dontcha know[:D] and STOP disrespecting the family!!! [8\|][sm=passthelube.gif][sm=alien.gif] Sorry Lucy, what the hell was I thinking posting an article quoting the judge in question. [;)] Yeah I also noticed the crass "disrespecting the family" comments. Who knows how he ever worked that one out.

Lucylastic -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/15/2013 4:53:34 PM)
If only being called a ghoulish asshole didnt make me so hot n shivery , I might have gotton upset

PeonForHer -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/15/2013 5:37:46 PM)
quote: But certainly, a person can go against the families stated wishes and try to make this about SYG(even though SYG was not part of the issue at all), if that's the sort of person they are. No one is stopping them. They don't even need to know the whole story before they use the grieving family to push an agenda, against the families will. But it would make that person a ghoulish asshole. I've got to admit, it's a brilliant political strategy: A tragedy occurs that looks as though it might well reflect badly on one of Mr X's fave political policies. (Like SYG, for instance.) Mr X goes into 'ultra-grieving mode' - broadcasting to everyone how deeply affected by the tragedy he is. In doing this, he's able to claim the high moral ground (because all can surely see how deeply he feels for his fellow man, etc., etc) while making disparaging noises about those 'low people who are 'bringing politics into it' (such people being anyone who's actually trying to solve the problem by questioning Mr X's cherished political policy). Mr X's loved political policy remains completely unchanged and he ends up looking impressively caring and morally upright and stuff.

moapaadom -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/15/2013 8:06:12 PM)
Well there really no point in arguing with 3 brits in a circle jerk... but I will make a few comments, and then let you dance around giggling over the dead boy and his families pain. PS would have made a devastating argument, if you had actually quoted the judge referring to SYG. But you didn't. The judge did explicitly say, "he and his family were clearly under attack". But said nothing about SYG. Lucy, I have already explained to you the difference between PPP and SYG. Perhaps you are not smart enough to comprehend, though I doubt it. SYG was not part of the case AT ALL. Not invoked by the defense, ever. The family doesn't want this to be about national SYG issues, their statement has been quoted several times, and yes, you are free to ignore them if you like. And Peon, You are describing what Lucy and Think Progress are doing. Carry on with your Circle jerk now.

Lucylastic -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/15/2013 8:12:46 PM)
yeah for a new chap you know entirely too much about us brits. quelle surprise. but i have to go now, all this amazing insight makes me moist

PeonForHer -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/15/2013 8:54:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Maestro702 Well there really no point in arguing with 3 brits in a circle jerk... but I will make a few comments, and then let you dance around giggling over the dead boy and his families pain. PS would have made a devastating argument, if you had actually quoted the judge referring to SYG. But you didn't. The judge did explicitly say, "he and his family were clearly under attack". But said nothing about SYG. Lucy, I have already explained to you the difference between PPP and SYG. Perhaps you are not smart enough to comprehend, though I doubt it. SYG was not part of the case AT ALL. Not invoked by the defense, ever. The family doesn't want this to be about national SYG issues, their statement has been quoted several times, and yes, you are free to ignore them if you like. And Peon, You are describing what Lucy and Think Progress are doing. Carry on with your Circle jerk now. Pfft. And you carry on with your high horse gambit. As far as I'm concerned, in tragedies, there are those who can't do anything because they're overcome with grief. I don't blame them and consider their only job to be to deal with their grief as best they can. For the rest of us, who aren't so afflicted, it's our job to work out what can be done to prevent such things happening again in the future. If you think the absolute ideal thing is achieved by being woeful and that alone - go for it. But the blunt truth is the family is probably not going to care what you feel, nor even know about it.

Kirata -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/15/2013 9:01:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer For the rest of us, who aren't so afflicted, it's our job to work out what can be done to prevent such things happening again in the future. Ah. Well then, maybe you (or fucking somebody) would like to say a few words about feral bullies with illegal guns? Or their parents? Just sayin, yanno. K.

BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/15/2013 9:11:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer For the rest of us, who aren't so afflicted, it's our job to work out what can be done to prevent such things happening again in the future. Ah. Well then, maybe you (or fucking somebody) would like to say a few words about feral bullies with illegal guns? Or their parents? Just sayin, yanno. K. I have brought them up repeatedly but have been assured that the problem is not them since all they did was get the shooting started but it wasn't their bullet who hit Neil. I think the technical term for that position is BS

moapaadom -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/15/2013 9:15:08 PM)
It is a weird position they are taking Bama. and they have to lie in order to make their point. I wonder why?

BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/15/2013 9:21:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Maestro702 It is a weird position they are taking Bama. and they have to lie in order to make their point. I wonder why? It would seem that making their point is all that matters. Or they honestly believe that a gun in the hands of a homeowner is the greatest evil.

Kirata -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/15/2013 9:36:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Or they honestly believe that a gun in the hands of a homeowner is the greatest evil. Well in all fairness, ya gotta admit that guns in the hands of people who can't fucking hit what they shoot at ain't heaven. K.

BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/15/2013 9:46:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Or they honestly believe that a gun in the hands of a homeowner is the greatest evil. Well in all fairness, ya gotta admit that guns in the hands of people who can't fucking hit what they shoot at ain't heaven. K. I have always said that a man shouldn't have a gun he can't control.

moapaadom -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/15/2013 9:52:55 PM)
Kirata there are some serious questions that are not answered yet. What Niles was doing is unclear, at least one report says he followed the girls home, with out specifying if it was the girl shooters or the victimized familie's girls. Its almost as if the media is intentionally withholding a lot of important details about this case, while intentionally trying to make this into a SYG issue.

moapaadom -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/15/2013 9:54:19 PM)
and just to be clear if Shannon shot first, I think he should get the death penalty.

Kirata -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/15/2013 10:04:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I have always said that a man shouldn't have a gun he can't control. Saying it and having laws that require it are two different things. In the states I'm familiar with, your range test amounts to demonstrating that you know the basics of gun safety and operation: verifying that it's not loaded, loading it, operating the safety (if applicable), chambering a round (if it's not a revolver), all while not pointing it in anybody's direction or sweeping anybody with it, and then basically showing that you can hit the broad side of a barn. That gets you licensed to carry. Anything. You can pass the test with a .22, then merrily go saddle-up a .357 magnum. K.

BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/15/2013 10:25:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I have always said that a man shouldn't have a gun he can't control. Saying it and having laws that require it are two different things. In the states I'm familiar with, your range test amounts to demonstrating that you know the basics of gun safety and operation: verifying that it's not loaded, loading it, operating the safety (if applicable), chambering a round (if it's not a revolver), all while not pointing it in anybody's direction or sweeping anybody with it, and then basically showing that you can hit the broad side of a barn. That gets you licensed to carry. Anything. You can pass the test with a .22, then merrily go saddle-up a .357 magnum. K. But the only way to know what they will do in a shootout is to put them in one. I would have no problem passing whatever range test. But the more serious the situation the better I perform. By way of example I had a stoke just over for years ago. For months I was in something of a fog and my balance was so bad I had to move very slowly. Then we had a fire. Fog cleared mobility and balance was great. Stepped in took charge and had the situation taken care of in ten minutes. Felt great for 24 hours. I know I would move up in relative standings in the real thing. As mentioned before I have been in a few confrontations and time always slows down and my focus sharpens. I say this not to brag as I know a number of people who do the same thing. I point this out to show the inherent inaccuracy of range tests. I also know people who can beat me at the range but will wet there pants if you yell boo, how do you test for that?

BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/15/2013 10:26:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I have always said that a man shouldn't have a gun he can't control. Saying it and having laws that require it are two different things. In the states I'm familiar with, your range test amounts to demonstrating that you know the basics of gun safety and operation: verifying that it's not loaded, loading it, operating the safety (if applicable), chambering a round (if it's not a revolver), all while not pointing it in anybody's direction or sweeping anybody with it, and then basically showing that you can hit the broad side of a barn. That gets you licensed to carry. Anything. You can pass the test with a .22, then merrily go saddle-up a .357 magnum. K. As always I respect your opinion but it is just like drivers tests look around when driving and you will see what I mean.

Kirata -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/15/2013 10:28:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I point this out to show the inherent inaccuracy of range tests. I have a different kind of range test in mind, but let that be for another time. I don't want to extend what is already a hijack. K.

BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/15/2013 10:30:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I point this out to show the inherent inaccuracy of range tests. I have a different kind of range test in mind, but let that be for another time. I don't want to extend what is already a hijack. K. Ok I would be interested in hearing it.

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