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to be fair, DTTP, Bama is NOT justice or Law in the USA:) And as there are few other people trying to argue the points he is... I give the benefit of the doubt to the rest of the country:)

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Man defends his family the wrong person gets caught in the crossfire and instead of going after the attacker you persecute the homeowner, this is what passes for justice in England?

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This is a blatant lie,

This is a blatant violation of TOS and no I didn't file a complaint

Nope, showing a blatant lie to be a lie and saying so doesnt violate the TOS. It is a statement about a false claim made during a debate.

Come on the real point is that you are above the rules they only count for the peasants.

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Cultural thing proclaiming belief in self defense with a little humor.
And he didn't shoot first.

More obtuse nonsense. The family statement clearly quotes Scotts roommate, who says Scott went outside and two shots were fired, one from nearby and one from afar. This ties in with a quote in statement, made by one of the girls in the car. She clearly tells the police she was in the car, heard a shot and fired into the air.

Hearsay.
Yep the girls are going to say we are guilty as sin.

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to be fair, DTTP, Bama is NOT justice or Law in the USA:) And as there are few other people trying to argue the points he is... I give the benefit of the doubt to the rest of the country:)

The rest of the Americans seem to have given up on trying to talk sense into you all knowing Europeans.

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Man defends his family the wrong person gets caught in the crossfire and instead of going after the attacker you persecute the homeowner, this is what passes for justice in England?

Me, I just find it revolting that anyone could pass off the death of an innocent as a result of 'crossfire'. Like, people blowing their guns off all over the place is somehow normal behaviour - move swiftly beyond that sort of thing, which is as natural as the weather - and talk about who's righteous and who isn't. It *isn't* "normal" and "natural". "Crossfire" is what happens only in a fucked up social system that has arse-licked the gun lobby too much and for far too long.

Allowing people to go outside and blast away with firearms is just primitive, Bama. A grown-up society just doesn't condone that kind of behaviour. In a grown up society people - all people - would be shocked at even seeing a man standing in the street with a gun aimed at someone.

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Cultural thing proclaiming belief in self defense with a little humor.
And he didn't shoot first.

More obtuse nonsense. The family statement clearly quotes Scotts roommate, who says Scott went outside and two shots were fired, one from nearby and one from afar. This ties in with a quote in statement, made by one of the girls in the car. She clearly tells the police she was in the car, heard a shot and fired into the air.

Hearsay.
Yep the girls are going to say we are guilty as sin.

What........ The authorities version is hearsay ....................... what a fucking hoot.

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Cultural thing proclaiming belief in self defense with a little humor.
And he didn't shoot first.

More obtuse nonsense. The family statement clearly quotes Scotts roommate, who says Scott went outside and two shots were fired, one from nearby and one from afar. This ties in with a quote in statement, made by one of the girls in the car. She clearly tells the police she was in the car, heard a shot and fired into the air.

Hearsay.
Yep the girls are going to say we are guilty as sin.

What........ The authorities version is hearsay ....................... what a fucking hoot.

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I told you, I'm sure for the SC's law he was justified, but that doesn't change the fact he acted like an irresponsible jackass from the beginning, and the law allowed him to do it, that should be quite disturbing. I know you don't care what other country do but making clear you just can't act like john wayne in his movies seems the lowest bar to me, but it seems that critizeing john wayne characters' ways is un-american so...

You see that he didn't break the law but we should punish him anyway?
If they had driven by and shouted insults he would be in jail.

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Would hitler have exterminated the jews if they had guns - and used them? Would stalin have killed the peasants by famine if they had had guns - and used them?

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We don't have the authorities version just what people who are not the authorities and certainly with an ax to grind say the authorities say.

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For example the alleged statement by the roommate.
You have heard of acoustics haven't you?
Then you would know that a gun fired away from you isn't as loud as one fired toward you.
This means that what the roommate said was the close shot was fired toward the house and the one that sounded further away would have been fired away from the house.
In case you lost tract that means the girls shot first.
Everything you claim to be the authorities version is filtered through both a still grieving family people feeding them the parts that make him sound worse.
They don't have the judges ruling they have statement that were supposedly made. Many self serving.
The authorities version will not be available until the entire judges ruling is released.
Not only this but the mother said these were things that the court needed to consider so we are back to hearsay.

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Man defends his family the wrong person gets caught in the crossfire and instead of going after the attacker you persecute the homeowner, this is what passes for justice in England?

Me, I just find it revolting that anyone could pass off the death of an innocent as a result of 'crossfire'. Like, people blowing their guns off all over the place is somehow normal behaviour - move swiftly beyond that sort of thing, which is as natural as the weather - and talk about who's righteous and who isn't. It *isn't* "normal" and "natural". "Crossfire" is what happens only in a fucked up social system that has arse-licked the gun lobby too much and for far too long.

Allowing people to go outside and blast away with firearms is just primitive, Bama. A grown-up society just doesn't condone that kind of behaviour. In a grown up society people - all people - would be shocked at even seeing a man standing in the street with a gun aimed at someone.

Funny. I didn't hear Bama "passing off" the death of a girl. I don't think anyone wants the death of innocent people Peon - and it is rather uncouth to suggest Bama does.

Kind of like your insinuation about Mengele. We that support gunrights do so - warts and all - because we believe Mao. "Power flows from the mouth of a gun".
We tolerate, sadly, the death of innocents as a necessary cost to prevent the massive loss of life that occurs by state sanctioned violence.

Mao - 40 million.
Stalin - 40 million
Hitler - 30 million
Khmer rouge 8 million
Darfour
Ruanda
Armenia
...

if you total up the death by political persecution - the total dwarfs the accidental deaths by gun violence. Would hitler have exterminated the jews if they had guns - and used them? Would stalin have killed the peasants by famine if they had had guns - and used them?

Tyrants prey upon the powerless...

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I told you, I'm sure for the SC's law he was justified, but that doesn't change the fact he acted like an irresponsible jackass from the beginning, and the law allowed him to do it, that should be quite disturbing. I know you don't care what other country do but making clear you just can't act like john wayne in his movies seems the lowest bar to me, but it seems that critizeing john wayne characters' ways is un-american so...

You see that he didn't break the law but we should punish him anyway?
If they had driven by and shouted insults he would be in jail.

There is white, there is black and there are infinite shades of gray, he was for sure in a very dark legal gray area even for the SC law, so he's not the picture of honesty and rightness he is a jackass with a good lawyer, in a very permissive state when it comes to self defence, that did something not necessary and killed someone who was there to help.

What you should understand is for many people this is not different from the case in UAE where the norwegian girl reported a rape and ended up in jail, it was the law there but I dare you to say it is a fair law. This case show how some of the united states are starting a "new wild west", have fun.

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We don't have the authorities version just what people who are not the authorities and certainly with an ax to grind say the authorities say.

More bullshit from you. It is odious to suggest the family of a murdered man have an axe to grind, when they openly quote police evidence. Anyhow, Lucy and I have both quoted an alternative source.

http://www.thestate.com/2013/08/16/2924473/is-shooting-a-bystander-in-south.html

http://www.wistv.com/story/23657955/judge-man-who-shot-teen-thought-he-was-in-danger

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There is white, there is black and there are infinite shades of gray, .

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Would hitler have exterminated the jews if they had guns - and used them? Would stalin have killed the peasants by famine if they had had guns - and used them?

first question the answer is: JA
second question the answer is: да

edit: than said from a country with the right to bear arm didn't stopped to put citizens of asian origins in concentration camps or jim crow laws is just absurd