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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/17/2013 3:56:02 PM   
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This is a blatant violation of TOS and no I didn't file a complaint

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/17/2013 4:25:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		so the girls drive by and fire at his house, next Scoot comes out of his house and shoots Niles and kills him, despite Niles being nothing to do with the previous drive by.

Surely this means that anybody, absolutely anybody who happened to be driving down that street at that time could have been shot and killed and according to some here it would be the girls fault that they are dead?

That is what passes for the law in America?

That is what passes for justice in America?


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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/17/2013 4:28:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I told you, I'm sure for the SC's law he was justified, but that doesn't change the fact he acted like an irresponsible jackass from the beginning, and the law allowed him to do it, that should be quite disturbing. I know you don't care what other country do but making clear you just can't act like john wayne in his movies seems the lowest bar to me, but it seems that critizeing john wayne characters' ways is un-american so...

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/17/2013 4:28:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		to be fair, DTTP, Bama is NOT justice or Law in the USA:) And as there are few other people trying to argue the points he is... I give the benefit of the doubt to the rest of the country:)

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/17/2013 4:35:58 PM   
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to be fair, DTTP, Bama is NOT justice or Law in the USA:) And as there are few other people trying to argue the points he is... I give the benefit of the doubt to the rest of the country:)


that's sweet of you, lol

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/17/2013 4:38:44 PM   
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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/17/2013 4:40:19 PM   
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so the girls drive by and fire at his house, next Scoot comes out of his house and shoots Niles and kills him, despite Niles being nothing to do with the previous drive by.

Surely this means that anybody, absolutely anybody who happened to be driving down that street at that time could have been shot and killed and according to some here it would be the girls fault that they are dead?

That is what passes for the law in America?

That is what passes for justice in America?




witnesses gave many different versions, but for what I understood his doughter came home telling a group of girls in a white SUV thrated her and were following her, she previously called her friend Darrell Niles for help, Scotts girlfriend calls 911 and describe the car and the last place where it was spotted, meanwhile Scott go in his room, grabs his gun and go outside in the yard, the white suv approach, some witnesses say he shot first some the girls did, after the girls drove away he spots an occupied red car (we don't know if was moving or parked) and fires at that too, killing the driver.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/17/2013 4:46:23 PM   
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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/17/2013 4:52:19 PM   
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Cultural thing proclaiming belief in self defense with a little humor.
And he didn't shoot first.


More obtuse nonsense. The family statement clearly quotes Scotts roommate, who says Scott went outside and two shots were fired, one from nearby and one from afar. This ties in with a quote in statement, made by one of the girls in the car. She clearly tells the police she was in the car, heard a shot and fired into the air.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/17/2013 4:53:14 PM   
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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/17/2013 4:58:37 PM   
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but it still stands that anybody in any car who was there at that time was a potential target


that should be the disturbing part but accepting not everything fits in the hero/villain dicotomy can be more disturbing for some people.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/17/2013 4:59:33 PM   
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Do you have any idea how insane it seems to Americans not to focus on the instigators of the violence.
Had they not done so there would have been no situation.


Laughable...... I think most decent Americans would consider the guy running into the street and firing at the first car he saw to be the problem.

Something you denied happened despite me giving you the link showing the authorities version of events, and that you continue to deny.



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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/17/2013 5:01:30 PM   
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This is a blatant lie,

This is a blatant violation of TOS and no I didn't file a complaint


Nope, showing a blatant lie to be a lie and saying so doesnt violate the TOS. It is a statement about a false claim made during a debate.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/17/2013 5:03:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

so the girls drive by and fire at his house, next Scoot comes out of his house and shoots Niles and kills him, despite Niles being nothing to do with the previous drive by.

Surely this means that anybody, absolutely anybody who happened to be driving down that street at that time could have been shot and killed and according to some here it would be the girls fault that they are dead?

That is what passes for the law in America?

That is what passes for justice in America?



Man defends his family the wrong person gets caught in the crossfire and instead of going after the attacker you persecute the homeowner, this is what passes for justice in England?

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/17/2013 5:05:49 PM   
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I told you, I'm sure for the SC's law he was justified, but that doesn't change the fact he acted like an irresponsible jackass from the beginning, and the law allowed him to do it, that should be quite disturbing. I know you don't care what other country do but making clear you just can't act like john wayne in his movies seems the lowest bar to me, but it seems that critizeing john wayne characters' ways is un-american so...

You see that he didn't break the law but we should punish him anyway?
If they had driven by and shouted insults he would be in jail.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/17/2013 5:08:21 PM   
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Cultural thing proclaiming belief in self defense with a little humor.
And he didn't shoot first.


More obtuse nonsense. The family statement clearly quotes Scotts roommate, who says Scott went outside and two shots were fired, one from nearby and one from afar. This ties in with a quote in statement, made by one of the girls in the car. She clearly tells the police she was in the car, heard a shot and fired into the air.


Hearsay.
Yep the girls are going to say we are guilty as sin.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/17/2013 5:09:24 PM   
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well we know Niles didnt shoot

And nobody says he was anything but an innocent victim.

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/17/2013 5:10:56 PM   
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This is a blatant lie,

This is a blatant violation of TOS and no I didn't file a complaint

Come on the real point is that you are above the rules they only count for the peasants.
Nope, showing a blatant lie to be a lie and saying so doesnt violate the TOS. It is a statement about a false claim made during a debate.




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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/17/2013 5:11:51 PM   
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so the girls drive by and fire at his house, next Scoot comes out of his house and shoots Niles and kills him, despite Niles being nothing to do with the previous drive by.

Surely this means that anybody, absolutely anybody who happened to be driving down that street at that time could have been shot and killed and according to some here it would be the girls fault that they are dead?

That is what passes for the law in America?

That is what passes for justice in America?



Man defends his family the wrong person gets caught in the crossfire and instead of going after the attacker you persecute the homeowner, this is what passes for justice in England?


so we just chalk it up to bad luck do we? the girls didn't kill anyone, Scott did and much as you would like to blame the girls for his reckless actions you can't.

He killed an innocent man

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RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case - 10/17/2013 5:12:20 PM   
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so the girls drive by and fire at his house, next Scoot comes out of his house and shoots Niles and kills him, despite Niles being nothing to do with the previous drive by.

Surely this means that anybody, absolutely anybody who happened to be driving down that street at that time could have been shot and killed and according to some here it would be the girls fault that they are dead?

That is what passes for the law in America?

That is what passes for justice in America?



Man defends his family the wrong person gets caught in the crossfire and instead of going after the attacker you persecute the homeowner, this is what passes for justice in England?


I have told people here this before, and more than once.

In England you can protect yourself, your home and your family and even a stranger, by the use of justifiable force. You have to then be prepared to show the force used was justifiablee and reasonable. Going out in the street and shooting at the first car that passes by would be classed as unresonable, so if there was no intent to kill, you would face a charge of manslaughter.

We are a bit quaint over here and call it "protecting the public" << edited to fix parenthesis

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