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Can a slave have common sense when questioning a Mistre... - 7/2/2006 5:52:57 AM

Biyoungsub

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One Question to all Mistress with all do respct: Can a male or female slave have common sense and use it when being order to do something that can hurt him/her or would put him/her in danger or is a hard limit? i ask because after reading about being a slave in contrast of being a sub, a slave has no choices and no thinking, he/she must obey. But how much that rule applies when in situation of health danger or also things that can put you at risk with yourself or the law? If a slave refuses to take a drug or to get naked in a public place or to be humiliated were you know is proihibited then wouldnt that be a fault for a slave if the slave rules state that a slave must always obey without questioning?
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RE: Can a slave have common sense when questioning a Mi... - 7/2/2006 6:00:36 AM

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Well I wouldn't necessarily question a slaves sincerity for not following orders such as this... I would be more inclined to question the dominant/master/mistress.

Number one... if anyone is going to have absolute control of another's actions they have to act responsibly. Placing another in harm's way or asking another to do something illegal is not being responsible.

This thought is what sparks the debate about

"Unquestioning Obedience"

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RE: Can a slave have common sense when questioning a Mi... - 7/2/2006 6:11:19 AM

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Choose your Owner very carefully for just that reason.

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RE: Can a slave have common sense when questioning a Mi... - 7/2/2006 6:14:03 AM

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But it would also be one judgement. Take the example of scat there are alot of profiles that do scat and want it, but to Me I believe it is a health hazzard so why do the Mistress do it? I agree it is the ULTMATE act of submission to do it. But if the Mistress/Master really cared for the slave why does she risk thier health? So that is why I say it is a judgement call of the Mistress/Master.

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RE: Can a slave have common sense when questioning a Mi... - 7/2/2006 7:07:07 AM

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Common sense would be one of the first things i'd look for.

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RE: Can a slave have common sense when questioning a Mi... - 7/2/2006 7:43:11 AM

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Yes. One should never allow their dominant to place them in a situation where they could be truly injured or arrested or suffer negatively in their life or job.

However, with that being said, its still a very grey area because there are times when a sub is put in what appears to be one of these situations, but the dom/me has arranged things so that it only APPEARS to be that way. Basically they are doing a mindfuck.

I think it really just comes down to common sense and trust. If you have been partnered with someone for a long time, you probably know them very well and they have either earned your trust or they haven't. So use your best judgement for that particular scenario. If its someone new though, I would say you need to say 'No', politely explain why you did it and wait for their reaction. A good dom/me should respect you and your opinions and leave it at that. If they had been prepared for a mindfuck, they should tell you that and show you how you would have been safe. A crappy dom/me will be angry and petulant with you for not 'obeying', accusing you of being a 'bad submissive' or whatever. At that point they have just proven to you why you should not play with them further.

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RE: Can a slave have common sense when questioning a Mi... - 7/2/2006 8:16:11 AM

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Contrary to popular belief, the title "slave" does not mean mindless robot. Personally as a DOMINANT if a slave didn't show common sense, I wouldn't entertain the thought of having him/her as my slave. I am one that appreciates the human aspect of a slave..mind, body, soul and spirit. I would never truely put my slave in harms way. But I will exercise mindfucks from time to time to keep him/her sharp. I expect complete obedience from my slave but in turn he/she can expect a responsible, thoughtful, caring DOMINANT to keep them safe.

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RE: Can a slave have common sense when questioning a Mi... - 7/2/2006 9:01:07 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Biyoungsub

One Question to all Mistress with all do respct: Can a male or female slave have common sense and use it when being order to do something that can hurt him/her or would put him/her in danger or is a hard limit? i ask because after reading about being a slave in contrast of being a sub, a slave has no choices and no thinking, he/she must obey. But how much that rule applies when in situation of health danger or also things that can put you at risk with yourself or the law? If a slave refuses to take a drug or to get naked in a public place or to be humiliated were you know is proihibited then wouldnt that be a fault for a slave if the slave rules state that a slave must always obey without questioning?
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john

I think a slave has a responsibility to himself as well as to his Mistress or Master to question anything that would break the law, place him in danger, or theaten his health. I have heard a lot of arguments back and forth about slaves being able to have "hard limits," but if the slave and Dominant had an agreement that certain things are out of bounds, then I feel a slave has the right to question that as well.

Like others have recommended, a slave should take great care in selecting a Dominant and this situation should not come up in the first place. And if it did, I think it should be a major red flag for the slave that this Dominant does not have their best interests at heart. I can't imagine a Master or Mistress who truly cares about their slave asking them to break the law, place themselves in serious danger, or compromise their health.

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RE: Can a slave have common sense when questioning a Mi... - 7/2/2006 9:29:07 AM

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Another thing to keep in mind is that relationships don't last forever. If a Dominant asks a slave to do something illegal, dangerous, or health-threatening, it is the slave who suffers the permanent consequences, not the Dominant. For example, if the Dominant ordered the slave to do something illegal and he got arrested, the slave would suffer the long-terme consequences, such as possibly not being able to obtain future employment, etc. Therefore, I think a slave does have a responsibility to look after his own interests.

Lady Topaz

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RE: Can a slave have common sense when questioning a Mi... - 7/2/2006 9:38:29 AM

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As a submissive male, I would never do anything that compromised my health or well-being. If my Mistress didn't understand that, then the D/s relationship would be over for a number of reasons.

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RE: Can a slave have common sense when questioning a Mi... - 7/2/2006 12:17:12 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Biyoungsub

One Question to all Mistress with all do respct: Can a male or female slave have common sense and use it when being order to do something that can hurt him/her or would put him/her in danger or is a hard limit? i ask because after reading about being a slave in contrast of being a sub, a slave has no choices and no thinking, he/she must obey. But how much that rule applies when in situation of health danger or also things that can put you at risk with yourself or the law? If a slave refuses to take a drug or to get naked in a public place or to be humiliated were you know is proihibited then wouldnt that be a fault for a slave if the slave rules state that a slave must always obey without questioning?
thankyou
john

I'm with Passion. If a slave is receiving those types of orders from a mistress, I only have to question the sub's brains as to why he's with a woman who would think to put a slave at risk like that.

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RE: Can a slave have common sense when questioning a Mi... - 7/2/2006 5:32:32 PM

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I would not want to engage in a type of play that I know would put the submissive in real danger of having their health being detrimentally affected (ie scat). As to a sub/slave questioning an order, if they were aware of something that could cause harm that I for some reason were not aware of, I would expect them to respectfully find a way to let me know that information. A dominant makes decisions based on information available to them. If the slave has information pertinent to the situation, it is their responsibility to share that information with the dominant.

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RE: Can a slave have common sense when questioning a Mi... - 7/2/2006 8:03:32 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MysticFireTopaz

Another thing to keep in mind is that relationships don't last forever. If a Dominant asks a slave to do something illegal, dangerous, or health-threatening, it is the slave who suffers the permanent consequences, not the Dominant. For example, if the Dominant ordered the slave to do something illegal and he got arrested, the slave would suffer the long-terme consequences, such as possibly not being able to obtain future employment, etc. Therefore, I think a slave does have a responsibility to look after his own interests.

Lady Topaz

Very well said. "I was just following orders" is a defence that does not work so well.

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RE: Can a slave have common sense when questioning a Mi... - 7/2/2006 8:42:37 PM

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I tend not to give that much advice these days because there's a lot of hostility from people these days when I do so. But I do wish to share one comment on what you asked: The question you ask puts forth an assumption that to be a slave (aside from being a submissive as the local definitions seem to purport) you have to be one right from the start, and thus, you run into a problem with having to question a dominant's orders if you perceive them to be harmful.

Well, here's what I have to say to that. Don't put yourself into a slave relationship with someone until you're sure she's someone who has earned your trust first. You don't have to jump into a mistress/slave relationship on day one. You can go into a relationship as a testing ground to see if the two of you are compatible. It wouldn't mean you would be any less submissive than if you were completely owned, but you would be a little more suspicious of limits and harmful behavior until you convince yourself that you are moving towards ownership with someone who is right for you and not completely nuts.

I've been there. And I've also been there where a woman wanted to own me on day one (always a warning sign to me, these days). I made a few mistakes in the past in accepting a dominant's scene reputation as all the proof I needed only to find out she was a complete nutcase (and coming from me, the Webster dictionary of a nutcase, that's scary). All I can do is learn from those mistakes, and I'd advise doing the same yourself. Most people make lots of mistakes in the initial seeking process; some get lucky as hell. Understand that people are people, and sometimes even the best people change during a relationship.

There's no better feeling than turning yourself over to someone who you trust completely with your life, with every decision she makes for you. But that doesn't mean hanging a shingle in the window and accepting the first person who notices it off the street.

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RE: Can a slave have common sense when questioning a Mi... - 7/2/2006 9:32:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

Well, here's what I have to say to that. Don't put yourself into a slave relationship with someone until you're sure she's someone who has earned your trust first. You don't have to jump into a mistress/slave relationship on day one. You can go into a relationship as a testing ground to see if the two of you are compatible. It wouldn't mean you would be any less submissive than if you were completely owned, but you would be a little more suspicious of limits and harmful behavior until you convince yourself that you are moving towards ownership with someone who is right for you and not completely nuts.

I've been there. And I've also been there where a woman wanted to own me on day one (always a warning sign to me, these days). I made a few mistakes in the past in accepting a dominant's scene reputation as all the proof I needed only to find out she was a complete nutcase (and coming from me, the Webster dictionary of a nutcase, that's scary). All I can do is learn from those mistakes, and I'd advise doing the same yourself. Most people make lots of mistakes in the initial seeking process; some get lucky as hell. Understand that people are people, and sometimes even the best people change during a relationship.

There's no better feeling than turning yourself over to someone who you trust completely with your life, with every decision she makes for you. But that doesn't mean hanging a shingle in the window and accepting the first person who notices it off the street.

That pretty much sums up my response. I even mention in my profile to be wary of Dommes who start dominating at "Hello". A slave should take the time to discern whether a potential Domme is worthy of accepting the responsibility of his/her submission prior to entering into a relationship.

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RE: Can a slave have common sense when questioning a Mi... - 7/2/2006 9:41:29 PM

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Dear Biyoungsub, Ladies and Gentlemen;

Through the years and currently, the majority of Masters/Mistresses in the Master/Mistress-slave community have a standing order to the slaves; to which in summary is: The slave will protect the Master's property at all costs and by all means, even from the Master themself.

The Masters, Mistresses and slaves I associate with, will indeed keep the safety and welfare of each other paramount. There is respect and obedience but, being 'stupid' and or using poor judgment is the time to protect yourself, even if it is in reverse; when a slave does something to risk their Master/Mistress.

Respectfully submitted,
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RE: Can a slave have common sense when questioning a Mi... - 7/3/2006 3:55:52 AM

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I read this post on General BDSM Discussion. I urge anyone who has any question regarding using common sense, read this. Look for the thread that deals with "no limits." Sorry . . . I'm not quite computer literate on CM yet.

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You often here in the lifestyle comment like;

"I Have No Limits"

"I Will Do Anything For Him"

I ask you to read this; before you continue reading the rest of my post and other posts

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/letters/story.html?id=051d6ea3-1da0-4dad-a540-6f8ce8344885&k=94473

A couple thoughts to share. I have met this person. I know many that know this person or have met this person.

She had No Limits! She Did Anything For Him!

So the question...... Does "No Limits" mean NO Limits... Does "Do Anything" mean ANYTHING"?

What are your thoughts? What additional thoughts do you have to share?

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RE: Can a slave have common sense when questioning a Mi... - 7/3/2006 6:42:57 AM

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The slave will protect the Master's property at all costs and by all means, even from the Master themself.

Indeed and this was going to be my single line reply:

Rule #1 - Protect the property.

Of course the delivery of this particular rule can be quite a challenge for the submissive/slave; finding the right way to say "Mistress, rule #1 is protect the property and I believed this particular activity to be dangerous to your property" might be hard to say and/ or do - but then what submissive hasn't had to 'find a way' before?

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RE: Can a slave have common sense when questioning a Mi... - 7/3/2006 7:02:07 AM

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I wouldnt have a slave that didn't have some common sense. Also any Dominant that tries to force a slave to do something dangerous or is a hard limit isn't exactly looking out for their property's safety. So I would say YES, use your common sense if your Dom/Domme fails too and look out for your own safety.

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RE: Can a slave have common sense when questioning a Mi... - 7/3/2006 9:01:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: Biyoungsub

One Question to all Mistress with all do respct: Can a male or female slave have common sense and use it when being order to do something that can hurt him/her or would put him/her in danger or is a hard limit? i ask because after reading about being a slave in contrast of being a sub, a slave has no choices and no thinking, he/she must obey. But how much that rule applies when in situation of health danger or also things that can put you at risk with yourself or the law? If a slave refuses to take a drug or to get naked in a public place or to be humiliated were you know is proihibited then wouldnt that be a fault for a slave if the slave rules state that a slave must always obey without questioning?
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john

I'd think that a submissive has the choice to obey to stop the scene, stop being submissive.

A slave, in my opinion, is not something you turn on or off, it is full-time. However part of a slave's job is protect what is mine, that includes him. If I'm having an off day and give an order that might harm him, he damn well better speak up and even (in my household) use his stopword to jar my brain into a better level of functioning.

My job is not to be so selfish and silly as to order anything that would be harmful -- physically, emotionally, legally, financially, or spiritually.

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