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RE: Is the MystressWorld thing really real (or just yet... - 10/16/2013 5:11:39 PM

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Playing devil's advocate, I suppose Mystressworld might appeal to those who like dealing with a structured environment

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RE: Is the MystressWorld thing really real (or just yet... - 10/16/2013 6:19:47 PM

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Frankly, I am a little distressed by the responses to your post.

And when I looked at the thread 'Dark Steven' posted, the FIRST thing the Op said was ... he had Herpes and they turned him down ... did not take his money!

That alone should say there is something different about that Sight.

And that is the point, there is something a little different about Mystress World.

To be totally honest, I have interacted with Mystress before. She actually lives in Houston, Texas, and what She espouses is Her unique view of Female Supremacy ... kind of an Elise Sutton ... with a more street wise twist.

It is actually quite ethical ... if if all you want to do is to read a lesson on Female Dominance, write an email to a Female recipient (or your DC in the MW vernacular), and have Her write back. And the cost for this is reasonable, too.

The odds though, are that you will never meet her, ever; although there are exceptions to everything. and some do meet.

I honestly do not believe it is a scam.

Rather, it is a unique twist that is different from anything you would see or hear at, say a public gathering of BDSM folks, or most books ... or most Internet sites charging a fee.

You asked for opinions, and on this topic, I might know more than the others.

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RE: Is the MystressWorld thing really real (or just yet... - 10/16/2013 6:24:32 PM

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It includes a TOS violation as well

Pray tell. I don't know what the violation is.
Please advise.

This site takes very seriously any underage involvement as it is illegal - this is outlined in the TOS. The questionnaire you posted has an illegal connection to minors in it. Just one more way to show you and anyone else that MystressWorld is shit, and tries pandering to the lowest to get a few bucks.

FYI, that questionnaire is LOADED with trick questions. The idea is to "weed out" those who are not fit for entrance.

Don't judge a book by its cover ... and that is exactly what you are doing.

Honestly ... She does get some really well to do, professional participants. They are the pre-dominant participants, on both sides of the kneel.

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RE: Is the MystressWorld thing really real (or just yet... - 10/16/2013 6:34:41 PM

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To be totally honest, I have interacted with Mystress before.

As in, you're friends?

If so, fair play for sticking up for your mates, but you are hardly objective.

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RE: Is the MystressWorld thing really real (or just yet... - 10/16/2013 6:53:41 PM

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To be totally honest, I have interacted with Mystress before.

As in, you're friends?

If so, fair play for sticking up for your mates, but you are hardly objective.

Call it what you will.

Yet I used to interact, a lot, with LA (Lady Angelica) off the boards, too.

What I am saying here about Mystress is what I know to be true, and I don't need to defend it ... as if you would not find fault with my experience, anyway.

I see Mystress as similar to LA. The two are very similar in real life.

On this specific post, I am using LA as an example; because both Ladies are in comparable positions in real life. That I do know, likely far more than anything you will see on this post.

The OP asked for experience ... and I am sharing. That is all.

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RE: Is the MystressWorld thing really real (or just yet... - 10/16/2013 7:03:09 PM

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It is actually quite ethical ... if if all you want to do is to read a lesson on Female Dominance, write an email to a Female recipient (or your DC in the MW vernacular), and have Her write back. And the cost for this is reasonable, too.

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So long as a guy doesn't think he's being "trained" to be suitable for dominant women in general, if that's how a guy wants to spend his money that's fine, though maybe there's a MOOC out there for him.

But the men who contact me apparently think they have been, and that the "training" adds to their credibility. Speaking as a woman who only participates in this lifestyle the flesh, as it were, it doesn't.

*edited because I dropped a letter.

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RE: Is the MystressWorld thing really real (or just yet... - 10/16/2013 7:13:57 PM

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It is actually quite ethical ... if if all you want to do is to read a lesson on Female Dominance, write an email to a Female recipient (or your DC in the MW vernacular), and have Her write back. And the cost for this is reasonable, too.

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So long as a guy doesn't think he's being "trained" to be suitable for dominant women in general, if that's how a guy wants to spend his money that's fine, though maybe there's a MOOC out there for him.

But the men who contact me apparently think they have been, and that the "training" adds to their credibility. Speaking as a woman who only participates in this lifestye the flesh, as it were, it doesn't.

Now you have exposed the real fallacy with Mystress and Mystress World.

The training is Her form (or Her unique view) of Female Dominance/Superiority.

The training is good, only with the Females Dominants who participate on the sight.

Generally not good with most of the BDSM population.

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RE: Is the MystressWorld thing really real (or just yet... - 10/16/2013 7:44:13 PM

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1. the mention of financial support comes up.

This only applies if you have a real life relationship, live in or separate with a commitment. It is just like any other Female/male relationship, vanilla or BDSM.

2. Other times, it's just not worth it; while still other times, it's worth it's weight in gold.

You will never know, unless you try. It is up to you. It costs in the area of $100 for the first month; $100 for every 3 months after. You need to determine for yourself, if something in this area is okay with your own budget; knowing there is a 1 percent chance of a pay off.

3. I do wish to immerse myself in training with a worthy Domme; yet, I don't wish to be taken for a fool ... hence my question.

She will make every effort to match you to a worthy Domme. It is unlikely to be in your state, and you may have one to six competitors.

LOL yet now that I think of it, that is far better than the personals on collar me.

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RE: Is the MystressWorld thing really real (or just yet... - 10/16/2013 8:10:45 PM

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... all of it...

That was factual and interesting. Thank you.

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RE: Is the MystressWorld thing really real (or just yet... - 10/16/2013 8:39:25 PM

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I see Mystress as similar to LA. The two are very similar in real life.

Heh. LA unfriended me on Facebook because I wouldn't take her side in something she thought was very important and I considered high school drama. Are the two similar in that respect?

You may have noticed I've never called MystressWorld a scam. Honestly, I think that word "scam" is overused, much as "whore" is overused, to mean "woman who doesn't give me what I want when I want it."

However, I'll say this: I have never seen anyone, male or female, say, "MystressWorld worked for me." Even you didn't say that in your posts just now. It sounds as though you're satisfied that you got reasonable service for your fees, but that it ultimately wasn't doing it for you, and you moved on. Am I mistaken?

Also, I think this is a fair question: are you aware of any MystressWorld "successes?"

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RE: Is the MystressWorld thing really real (or just yet... - 10/16/2013 9:01:38 PM

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The OP asked for experience ... and I am sharing. That is all.

I appreciate that sharing of experience, because, all I wish to do is UNDERSTAND what the gig is all about. It's not likely I'll funnel money into it (my profile says as much), simply because, to me, FemDominance is sexy, FinDominance is not. I hate to be taken for a fool.

However, just because I'm not likely to empty my wallet, doesn't mean I'm not intrigued by the ideas, nor that I'm not interested in understanding what the situation is.

To that end, I've read all the posts in that Yahoo forum that I could access, most of which could be broken down into three categories:
1. Male sub "boy" applications, disseminated to the Domme Corp prior to auction
2. Female Domme applications, disseminated for reasons unknown (to me)
3. Weekly auction results, where each male sub is matched with a female Domme.

I took note of the state of residence of each of the participants in the weekly auction results, and, clearly the "next" interaction had to be online and not real time.

Given that, I suspect "most" interaction is real time, which, for me, has no allure whatsoever, simply because I always imagine a hairy fat cigar-chomping guy on the other end of the computer masquerading as a female.

I still would love a ballpark figure to understand the costs involved, so, I'll bluntly ask (anyone who knows):

Q: What is a typical yearly outlay in dollars for male subs who stay in the program?
Q: Same question for female Dommes (which they call the DC).
Q: What's the chance of real life interaction with a real female and when, in the (rathre long, it seems) program, does THAT critical step occur?

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RE: Is the MystressWorld thing really real (or just yet... - 10/16/2013 9:16:50 PM

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[financial renumeration] only applies if you have a real life relationship, live in or separate with a commitment. It is just like any other Female/male relationship, vanilla or BDSM.

I hadn't seen this wonderful post when I replied to an earlier post a few moments ago.
This is interesting. So, you don't pay for the online training? You only pay for the real-time training?

Is that how the process works?
You only pay the money if you actually meet up with someone in the flesh?

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It costs in the area of $100 for the first month; $100 for every 3 months after.

Aha! That's the ballpark kind of figure I was looking for! This information is the most critical component, simply because money appears to be the venue to stay in the site. Therefore, it is the paramount issue, simply because it's a requirement.

So, if, for example, I were to apply, be accepted, be trained, and then meet up with someone, then it would cost me in the area of (roughly) $500 for the first year? Is that about right?

And, for that $500, I presume I get to be trained by a real-time (hence local) Domme, is that right?

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She will make every effort to match you to a worthy Domme. It is unlikely to be in your state, and you may have one to six competitors.

Oh oh. How does that work? There's no way you can realistically have a real-time Domme in another state? So how does that work then?

I pay my $500. I take all the de-rigueur on-line training. And, then I'm competing with a half-dozen other wanna-be schmucks for near-zero chances of a real-time training with a Domme in another state?

Note: I don't mean to be flippant here. I'm just trying to dutifully assemble the puzzle pieces.

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That is far better than the personals on collar me

I guess it would be "if", there was a realistic chance of real-time Domming going on for my $500, and, since the $500 is the requirement to stay involved, I'd have to compare that $500 to handing my $500 to a ProDomme (which I've never done, by the way), and more to the point, of voluntarily spoiling a "real" Domme (i.e., not a pro who is with me only for the money - which to me - makes any pro a definite fake Domme by definition) with actual gifts, and other amenities of your typical D/s relationships.

What's confusing to me, is that the $500 appears to be the price of admission, but, for that admission price, it appears you only get an on-line relationship (most of the time), which, for me, just doesn't cut the mustard, because, to me, only a fool pays for the chance at winning the stuffed animal in a rigged game at the amusement park that they could have bought at Target for less than what it cost them to learn the rules of and play the game (and, yes, Virginia, there are a LOT of fools out there in this world).

EDITED: Fixed a bunch of embarrassing typos. Hope I found them all.

But, at least, do I begin to understand the process yet?

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RE: Is the MystressWorld thing really real (or just yet... - 10/16/2013 9:29:45 PM

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I see Mystress as similar to LA. The two are very similar in real life.

Heh. LA unfriended me on Facebook because I wouldn't take her side in something she thought was very important and I considered high school drama. Are the two similar in that respect?

You may have noticed I've never called MystressWorld a scam. Honestly, I think that word "scam" is overused, much as "whore" is overused, to mean "woman who doesn't give me what I want when I want it."

However, I'll say this: I have never seen anyone, male or female, say, "MystressWorld worked for me." Even you didn't say that in your posts just now. It sounds as though you're satisfied that you got reasonable service for your fees, but that it ultimately wasn't doing it for you, and you moved on. Am I mistaken?

Also, I think this is a fair question: are you aware of any MystressWorld "successes?"

I actually know of one, she lives in Detroit, only about 20 miles from me. A guy She met there moved to Her from Minnesota to Detroit, 8 weeks after being "matched" on Mystress World.

That said, it is an exception.

I say this is an exception because before she became a DC on Mistress World, she offered the same role to me' after meeting via CM. :-) And the elapsed time in all of this was roughly 3 months. So she was looking, seriously. But in her defense, they are still together, after 6 years, so I guess that means it worked.

re LA ... yup, sounds like her!

Thought you and Steven would know her, too.

BTW, at one time, she "adored" you.

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RE: Is the MystressWorld thing really real (or just yet... - 10/16/2013 9:42:40 PM

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Thanks for the response!

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RE: Is the MystressWorld thing really real (or just yet... - 10/16/2013 10:01:45 PM

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[financial renumeration] only applies if you have a real life relationship, live in or separate with a commitment. It is just like any other Female/male relationship, vanilla or BDSM.

I hadn't seen this wonderful post when I replied to an earlier post a few moments ago.
This is interesting. So, you don't pay for the online training? You only pay for the real-time training?

Is that how the process works?
You only pay the money if you actually meet up with someone in the flesh?

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ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo
It costs in the area of $100 for the first month; $100 for every 3 months after.

Aha! That's the ballpark kind of figure I was looking for! This information is the most critical component, simply because money appears to be the venue to stay in the site. Therefore, it is the paramount issue, simply because it's a requirement.

So, if, for example, I were to apply, be accepted, be trained, and then meet up with someone, then it would cost me in the area of (roughly) $500 for the first year? Is that about right?

And, for that $500, I presume I get to be trained by a real-time (hence local) Domme, is that right?

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ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo
She will make every effort to match you to a worthy Domme. It is unlikely to be in your state, and you may have one to six competitors.

Oh oh. How does that work? There's no way you can realistically have a real-time Domme in another state? So how does that work then?

I pay my $500. I take all the de-rigueur on-line training. And, then I'm competing with a half-dozen other wanna-be schmucks for near-zero chances of a real-time training with a Domme in another state?

Note: I don't mean to be flippant here. I'm just trying to dutifully assemble the puzzle pieces.

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ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo
That is far better than the personals on collar me

I guess it would be "if", there was a realistic chance of real-time Domming going on for my $500, and, since the $500 is the requirement to stay involved, I'd have to compare that $500 to handing my $500 to a ProDomme (which I've never done, by the way), and more to the point, of voluntarily spoiling a "real" Domme (i.e., not a pro who is with me only for the money - which to me - makes any pro a definite fake Domme by definition) with actual gifts, and other amenities of your typical D/s relationships.

What's confusing to me, is that the $500 appears to be the price of admission, but, for that admission price, it appears you only get an on-line relationship (most of the time), which, for me, just doesn't cut the mustard, because, to me, only a fool pays for the chance at winning the stuffed animal in a rigged game at the amusement park that they could have bought at Target for less than what it cost them to learn the rules of and play the game (and, yes, Virginia, there are a LOT of fools out there in this world).

EDITED: Fixed a bunch of embarrassing typos. Hope I found them all.

But, at least, do I begin to understand the process yet?

No, you pay from the get go ... $100 for the first month, $100 for each subsequent 3 months. That is online only training. No web cam etc. just email studying Mystress philosophy under the guidance of a Domme (DC that you are assigned to). There is interaction, but only via onlin

IF you move to real time and a more permanent relationship ... then ... expect to "turn over" your paycheck .... just as you would in any other relationship. This is what is meant by the financial remuneration ... the rest of it is comparable to ALT and other such sites.

I could not even calculate what it would cost you to meet and get trained by a local Domme. Knowing her training would be to her standards and beliefs; thus different from any other Domme.

But if I was betting ... I would take the OVER on $500 LOL

And btw, even Pro Dommes have different rates. I know one near me ... she wont even see you for less than $300 per hour. $500 will get you an hour and a half.
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Re online interaction: IF you have never interacted with another via email and other electronic means for a long period; than you have yet to learn that quite a relationship can develop. What it means for the long term ... well if that is a long distance relationship; those have a totally different set of do's and don't's than local. There are many other threads on LDR if you wish to look them up.

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Mystress believes a fee help shows commitment and seriousness on the part of the male. You wont get anything for free, there or anywhere else ... even on a vanilla date with your next door neighbor.

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RE: Is the MystressWorld thing really real (or just yet... - 10/16/2013 10:03:35 PM

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Thanks for the response!

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RE: Is the MystressWorld thing really real (or just yet... - 10/17/2013 7:40:54 AM

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No, you pay from the get go ... $100 for the first month, $100 for each subsequent 3 months. That is online only training.

Thank you for clarifying.

It seems that MystressWorld acts as a broker, lining up sub males with Domme females, for online interaction under a regimented program.

There is something so very alluring about being auctioned off to a bevy of female bidders and then being used by the lucky winner, but, given that it's mostly online, I can see now why men eventually drop - as the allure is only in their minds, and, as such, can't be maintained forever for the bulk of us. At least not for me.

The fact that MystressWorld apparently contacts every submissive man on Collarme in the country (in the world?) is probably part of the business model, where she needs new entrants daily, since they drop off like flies, I would think, after some period of time of no real time service.

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IF you move to real time and a more permanent relationship ... then ... expect to "turn over" your paycheck .... just as you would in any other relationship.

This is a strange and telling statement, to me. You, I'm sure, have more experience in these endeavors than I. That it would cost one dearly to enjoy real time service and ownership in the Domme Corp is great to know (as it hadn't even occurred to me that you pay for the service you provide once you get to the real time stage).

I am confused by the prepositional phrase "just as you would in any other relationship". I guess you mean marriage, as a boyfriend/Girlfriend relationship isn't that way - but - even in marriage (which has legal requirements of care), BOTH contribute to the household - not just one.

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And btw, even Pro Dommes have different rates. I know one near me ... she wont even see you for less than $300 per hour. $500 will get you an hour and a half.

I have never been to a pro as I consider any pro, by definition, fake; however, I can easily find local prices. Attached is just one screenshot from the web page of a well-established pro D/s house near San Francisco, for example.

So, you are correct that $500 won't get you much fun. (Personally, it would be a waste of my $500 as I would rather have a real relationship, and, if I wanted to, spend that $500 pleasing someone who actually deserved it by virtue of the value of the relationship).

You can PM me for the url if anyone is interested in the web page where I found that price list, but, I can easily find others on the web locally here in the SF bay area.

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IF you have never interacted with another via email and other electronic means for a long period; than you have yet to learn that quite a relationship can develop.

I guess if the Domme phone verifies that she is indeed female, then, I guess an online relationship can be valuable. It's just that I have this image in my mind of some cigar-chomping hairy guy in unwashed gym shorts with fat fingers stomping at a keyboard somewhere in Nigeria "Domming" me, whenever I hear about online-only relationships.

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ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo
Mystress believes a fee help shows commitment and seriousness on the part of the male.

This is probably quite true. However, to be creative (which I am), there are certainly plenty of other, more satisfying perhaps, ways to show commitment. Given that, the money shows primary intent. Nothing wrong with that - I'm just trying to understand the model, and this appears to be "a" key component of the model.

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You wont get anything for free, there or anywhere else ... even on a vanilla date with your next door neighbor.

Hmmm... Craigslist is free. However, any fool knows the numbers are against us; so I understand your comment completely. Basically the sexual prowling nature of women and men are vastly different. Men are somewhat like voracious ants, always on the prowl for food; while women are somewhat like ripened juicy (juicee ... jk) fruits ever ripening attractively in full blush.

For example, I just searched for the word "submissive" in the SF bay area Craigslist.
It found 1048 postings.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/?areaID=1&subAreaID=&query=submissive&catAbb=ppp

Then, I added the wee little acronym "w4m" (which will also find mw4m, & ww4m, etc.).and the results drop by two full orders of magnitude, to 10:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/ppp?catAbb=ppp&query=submissive+w4m&zoomToPosting=&minAsk=&maxAsk=

Reading those paltry 10 ads, three were already flagged, and reading the other 7 made me think of that drooling guy in his gym shorts in Nigeria. I don't think a single one was real, but, let's go with the benefit of the doubt, and assume all 7 were real.

I see that the odds are, at best, roughly between 200:1 and 100:1 just to find a submissive woman seeking a man based on this rather unscientific quick poll.

I guess, since men like I are driven by our hormones (none of the women I've ever met in my life can even come close to the strength of our sex drives), some inevitably stoop to paying for sex, which I would think, evens out the odds a bit, since probably we can get to a ratio of 1:1 or even 1:10, simply by paying someone for our service-minded relationships.

Anyway, getting off the subject of how much the MEN pay (we now know the ballpark range), does anyone here know what the Domme Corps pay to be in this program?

And, what do THEY get out of this?
(Should I bring that question over to "Ask a Mistress?".

EDIT: Moved the image to where it was discussed.