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RE: Suing over not wanting to pay $18/month for health ... - 11/4/2013 8:54:48 AM   
DesideriScuri


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I'm not sure why you made this a response to the post you did, as it didn't follow.

I thought you asked if/how the Australian system is different from the UK one?
My bad. lol.
Considering our earlier and other thread discussions on the subject, it's a worthwhile read.


I did, but that was to tweakabelle, not Lucy. The post you responded to was about whether or not she agreed with my assertion that conservatives aren't opposed to collective action, as long as it's an individually chosen collective action, rather than a government forced collective action.

I was incorrect, my reading list is up to 8 as of right now, including the article you linked to. I think all but your link are a page or two, so I'll have at them and get them out of the way in the next couple days. Wish this shit was on audio. Would much rather listen to these things while I'm getting other stuff done. lol


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RE: Suing over not wanting to pay $18/month for health ... - 11/4/2013 8:55:55 AM   
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DS, I generally have anywhere between 5-10 books going at one time.   I read before I sleep a great deal.  It is a never ending battle, I hear ya.


My issue with reading before going to sleep, is that I get to sleep a lot faster than I get any reading done.


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RE: Suing over not wanting to pay $18/month for health ... - 11/4/2013 9:05:31 AM   
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RE: Suing over not wanting to pay $18/month for health ... - 11/4/2013 11:10:18 AM   
MyGarage


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Status: offline 		Charity is disfavored under the I.R.S.

I tried to give directly to someone through MaleSurvivor.org, but they explained to me, that I.R.S. either statute or regulation, do give a tax deduction if you give to a specific person.

So, instead we have the government paying people salaries to give away other people's money.

Like, Obama is giving away taxpayer's money to illegal aliens.

And to Americans that drive new cadillacs to the welfare office.
Or guys that want to surf allday.

Screw that.


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RE: Suing over not wanting to pay $18/month for health ... - 11/4/2013 11:26:33 AM   
DesideriScuri


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Charity is disfavored under the I.R.S.
I tried to give directly to someone through MaleSurvivor.org, but they explained to me, that I.R.S. either statute or regulation, do give a tax deduction if you give to a specific person.
So, instead we have the government paying people salaries to give away other people's money.
Like, Obama is giving away taxpayer's money to illegal aliens.
And to Americans that drive new cadillacs to the welfare office.
Or guys that want to surf allday.
Screw that.


There are rules for what is a charity and what isn't a charity. There is no requirement that charity donations be given preferential tax treatment. We do have tax codes that do give preferential tax treatment to charities. The charity, however, does have to meet the definition of a "charity" per the IRS.

The whole idea that charity donations are given preferential tax treatment is to spur charitable donations. It isn't there to give people a tax haven. Thus, there are rules that govern what constitutes a charity. If not, I could state that I am a charity and anyone who donates to me gets a tax break, and I don't have to pay taxes on those donations. Every employee could do the same, giving an employer incentive to hire more and/or pay more, but there goes the tax base.

A charity, though, is a bunch of people who give away other people's money, too. They aren't necessarily paid as well as government workers, and may not enjoy the same benefit levels, but, in the end, isn't that exactly what a charity does?



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RE: Suing over not wanting to pay $18/month for health ... - 11/4/2013 3:21:07 PM   
thompsonx


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Status: offline 		conservatives aren't opposed to collective action, as long as it's an individually chosen collective action, rather than a government forced collective action.

How the fuck does this work?
We individually choose who fills the post of government but the government may not then require collective action?

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RE: Suing over not wanting to pay $18/month for health ... - 11/4/2013 3:28:51 PM   
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Charity is disfavored under the I.R.S.

Not according to the tax code

I tried to give directly to someone through MaleSurvivor.org, but they explained to me, that I.R.S. either statute or regulation, do give a tax deduction if you give to a specific person.

Oh my the government has rules that control who can claim a tax deduction for charitable donations...why do you find that strange?

So, instead we have the government paying people salaries to give away other people's money.


Taxes are like the dues one pays to belong to a pretty exclusive club. Once you pay your dues that money is the clubs money to do with as the elected officers choose.

Like, Obama is giving away taxpayer's money to illegal aliens.

He is also giving away money to look for aliens (nasa)

And to Americans that drive new cadillacs to the welfare office.

Any validation for this moronic bullshit?

Or guys that want to surf allday.

More moronic bullshit

Screw that.


If the above were true then why don't you go arrest these people for welfare fraud and collect the reward

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RE: Suing over not wanting to pay $18/month for health ... - 11/8/2013 1:46:39 PM   
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That workers can't be compelled to join a Union to work at a shop? That constraint? Right to work legislation doesn't prevent anyone from joining a Union, nor does it prevent a Union from negotiating with an employer (some legislation does make some things non-negotiable, but the right to negotiate is still there). The whole point of right-to-work is to prevent compelled Union membership (you know, "forced" rather than chosen membership).

If a person works in a "right to work" shop but does not join the union do they not get the same pay and benifits that the union employees negotiated for and pay dues to a union for?
If that is so then that employee is getting something he is not paying for...that shows a lack of individual responsibility don't you think?

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RE: Suing over not wanting to pay $18/month for health ... - 11/8/2013 2:19:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		The post you responded to was about whether or not she agreed with my assertion that conservatives aren't opposed to collective action, as long as it's an individually chosen collective action, rather than a government forced collective action.

Doesn't the militia act(the dick act) says you are required to be in the militia for your entire adult life. That is a government forced action.

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