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3 Injured in School Shooting, where are the usual suspe... - 10/26/2013 12:28:44 AM

Just0Us0Two

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http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/inland_empire&id=9298860
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Chino-Newman-Elementary-School-Safety-Demonstration-Weapon-Gun-Misfires-Injures-228984301.html
http://ktla.com/2013/10/23/3-students-hurt-when-cops-gun-discharges-at-school-safety-demo/
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-safety-chino-cops-rifle-school-20131024,0,7373346.story

I've been waiting to see if this was going to be posted, but so far no. I'm confused as to why? It would seem to have almost everything that certain folks seem to focus on. It's a shooting at a school. It's got 3 injured children. It was done with an evil AR-15 "assault rifle". It has a "poorly secured weapon", that was left loaded, that a child was allowed access to. (And however it was secured must not have been good enough if a child was able to fire it, right?) I would have expected to see this up within hours of the incident, yet it happened on Wednesday. I'd have expected to see folks calling for the person who's weapon this was to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Locked up and the key thrown away, fined into the poor-house, etc.

So why hasn't a big deal been made about this? Let's see, maybe because it happened in California, a state with some of the strictest gun laws in the country? So calling for stricter laws is a bit hard to do here.

Maybe because the gun was bought in California, not brought in from a state with looser laws? Again, hard to put a "we need more laws" to prevent straw-purchases spin here.

Or maybe because the one who brought the weapon to the school was a police officer? A shooting that can't be blamed on poorly trained gun-nuts, why bother?

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RE: 3 Injured in School Shooting, where are the usual s... - 10/26/2013 12:45:50 AM

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Probably you have so many school shooting it's difficoult to keep up. I don't see differences if it is a private citizen or a police officer unattending a weapon, or better his position is even worse as he's supposed to be trained caring a weapon. If he left the rifle there confident the children would not have touched it his defence can be insanity.

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RE: 3 Injured in School Shooting, where are the usual s... - 10/26/2013 1:22:42 AM

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Here's my favorite part:

8-year-old nephew was hit by metal fragments after an officer's bullet struck the ground... another child who was playing near his nephew was also struck by metal fragments. No one suffered a gunshot wound, authorities said.

K.

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RE: 3 Injured in School Shooting, where are the usual s... - 10/26/2013 2:24:52 AM

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probably has something to do with the fact that since 20th of this month(five days http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4569985) the numbers of people killed by guns has risen from 9, 577 to 9,830, thats 253 dead people to report about.
Here are 9 from yesterday
"http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2013/10/police_one_dead_after_early-mo.html"
"http://www.fox8live.com/story/23788517/nopd-investigating-no-east-murder"
"http://www.azcentral.com/community/peoria/articles/20131025youngtown-fatal-shooting-abrk.html?nclick_check=1"
"http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/229230501.html"
"http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Suspect-slain-in-Mojave-Desert-shooting-spree-4926016.php"
"http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/10/25/downey-boy-15-questioned-in-murder-of-father/"
"http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/detroit/detroit-police-search-for-man-who-shot-and-killed-a-charter-one-bank-customer-as-he-sat-in-his-car"
"http://www.businessinsider.com/shooting-bay-pines-hospital-2013-10"
"http://www.wncftv.com/localnews/Burglary-Suspect-Shot-and-Killed-by-Homeowner-in-Dallas-Co-229324161.html"
"http://www.wbaltv.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/man-dies-in-baltimore-shooting/-/10131532/22642712/-/11otau5z/-/index.html"
"http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/25/3711895/keys-sheriff-deputies-shoot-and.html"
"http://www.azcentral.com/community/peoria/articles/20131025youngtown-fatal-shooting-abrk.html?nclick_check=1"
"http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/10/25/woman-fatally-shot-by-police.html"
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20131023/articles/131029842?title=Police:-Boy-with-fake-rifle-turned-toward-deputies

then there was a five year old who got hold of his babysitters gun and killed himself
http://orangeleader.com/local/x703144565/Baby-sitter-arrested-in-shooting-death-of-child

when are the dead piling up thru gun deaths gonna actually matter? except for the usual suspects( anti and pro gunners ) to argue over?

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RE: 3 Injured in School Shooting, where are the usual s... - 10/26/2013 3:08:57 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Just0Us0Two

I've been waiting to see if this was going to be posted, but so far no. I'm confused as to why? It would seem to have almost everything that certain folks seem to focus on.

no it doesn't actually have everything certain folks (& news organizations) seem to focus on.. for one thing, no one was actually killed.. and it wasn't a deliberate attack like the shootings that make headlines for weeks.. the way the news works is they take the worst incidents to report on, especially nationally.. This was pretty minor in comparison to what I see reported on locally, nationally, internationally.. and if few people hear about it then (obviously) they aren't gonna be posting about it..

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RE: 3 Injured in School Shooting, where are the usual s... - 10/26/2013 3:33:56 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: Just0Us0Two

I've been waiting to see if this was going to be posted, but so far no. I'm confused as to why? It would seem to have almost everything that certain folks seem to focus on.

no it doesn't actually have everything certain folks (& news organizations) seem to focus on.. for one thing, no one was actually killed.. and it wasn't a deliberate attack like the shootings that make headlines for weeks.. the way the news works is they take the worst incidents to report on, especially nationally.. This was pretty minor in comparison to what I see reported on locally, nationally, internationally.. and if few people hear about it then (obviously) they aren't gonna be posting about it..

This doesn't excuse the cop from being responsible of what happened, and also very professionally negligent, leaving a loaded weapon at the reach of 8 years old children is criminal period, and being a cop is aggravating and not mitigating the sitution. For god sake he was the one to teach them safety... well now they learned...

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RE: 3 Injured in School Shooting, where are the usual s... - 10/26/2013 4:29:29 AM

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As a usual suspect.........see Lucys list.

The nonsense that it hasnt been mentioned because it took place in California is risible, given many of us speaking out on gun deths are not even American. East or west coast, it matters not one jot to me. I only flag up what I spot online if there isnt already a post. I dont spend hour trawling for gun deaths.

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RE: 3 Injured in School Shooting, where are the usual s... - 10/26/2013 4:47:31 AM

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Or maybe because the one who brought the weapon to the school was a police officer? A shooting that can't be blamed on poorly trained gun-nuts, why bother?

Yet the following threads have all been started by "The usual suspects".

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4546201/mpage_1/key_cops%252Cshoot/tm.htm#4546499
http://www.collarchat.com/m_4507829/mpage_1/key_bystanders/tm.htm#4508039
http://www.collarchat.com/m_4358003/mpage_1/key_bystanders/tm.htm#4358022
http://www.collarchat.com/m_4220382/mpage_1/tm.htm

At this point, I am running out of time before I go out. Shout if you want any more links.

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RE: 3 Injured in School Shooting, where are the usual s... - 10/26/2013 9:59:19 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: eulero83

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: Just0Us0Two

I've been waiting to see if this was going to be posted, but so far no. I'm confused as to why? It would seem to have almost everything that certain folks seem to focus on.

no it doesn't actually have everything certain folks (& news organizations) seem to focus on.. for one thing, no one was actually killed.. and it wasn't a deliberate attack like the shootings that make headlines for weeks.. the way the news works is they take the worst incidents to report on, especially nationally.. This was pretty minor in comparison to what I see reported on locally, nationally, internationally.. and if few people hear about it then (obviously) they aren't gonna be posting about it..

This doesn't excuse the cop from being responsible of what happened, and also very professionally negligent, leaving a loaded weapon at the reach of 8 years old children is criminal period, and being a cop is aggravating and not mitigating the sitution. For god sake he was the one to teach them safety... well now they learned...

so? my post had nothing to do with the story or the cop's responsibility other than to address why it wasn't posted here, which is what I thought was the actual question..

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RE: 3 Injured in School Shooting, where are the usual s... - 10/26/2013 10:18:28 AM

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This whole thing is so stupid it lives down to my view of California.
The cop screwed up, how could he have left the weapon loaded?
And then the department takes the ARs away from all the motorcycle cops who didn't screw up.
Has the reason they issued them gone away?
Did they just issue them cause they had the money to spend?

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RE: 3 Injured in School Shooting, where are the usual s... - 10/26/2013 11:05:17 AM

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Did they just issue them cause they had the money to spend?

Probably because they look so Don't Fuck With Me BAD

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RE: 3 Injured in School Shooting, where are the usual s... - 10/26/2013 11:44:54 AM

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Did they just issue them cause they had the money to spend?

Probably because they look so Don't Fuck With Me BAD

LOL
Also a possibility

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RE: 3 Injured in School Shooting, where are the usual s... - 10/26/2013 1:12:59 PM

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I've been waiting to see if this was going to be posted, but so far no. I'm confused as to why?

This comes over as a little bit pathetic... no-one posts a post that you'll disagree with violently, so you post it yourself in order to achieve exactly what?

Can you see how a casual observer might consider that to be a pretty fucking silly thing to do?

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RE: 3 Injured in School Shooting, where are the usual s... - 10/26/2013 1:27:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: Just0Us0Two
I've been waiting to see if this was going to be posted, but so far no. I'm confused as to why?

This comes over as a little bit pathetic... no-one posts a post that you'll disagree with violently, so you post it yourself in order to achieve exactly what?

Can you see how a casual observer might consider that to be a pretty fucking silly thing to do?

Why no I don't. Thank you for playing.

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RE: 3 Injured in School Shooting, where are the usual s... - 10/26/2013 1:31:42 PM

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It was a rhetorical question really, the likelihood of you seeing how your op might look like a pathetic and desperate attempt to create controversy was always going to be super low.

But bless you heart all the same.

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RE: 3 Injured in School Shooting, where are the usual s... - 10/26/2013 1:47:13 PM

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It was a rhetorical question really, the likelihood of you seeing how your op might look like a pathetic and desperate attempt to create controversy was always going to be super low.

But bless you heart all the same.

Create controversy? You're kidding, right? Because a police officer leaving a loaded weapon around for an 8yo to get there hands on isn't controversial? Especially when that weapon is a dreaded "assault rifle" with a "high capacity magazine"?

Tell me that if this story had been slightly different, gun owner allows 8yo to get his gun, 8yo shoots and injures 3 other children, that we wouldn't be hearing about how irresponsible he was. How he should be held criminally responsible. Where was the trigger lock? Why does anyone need an assault rifle? Why does anyone need that many bullets? Etc. Etc. Etc. But since this isn't someone who can be branded an untrained, gun-nut, it's not important.

ETA: PS: Complaining that someone started a thread to "create controversy" is about the stupidest argument I've ever heard. Unless you're a complete hypocrite, you'd have to brand pretty much everyone who starts a thread here with that label. Or is it only "creating controversy" if you don't agree with them?

PPS: And bless your little heart right back.

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RE: 3 Injured in School Shooting, where are the usual s... - 10/26/2013 2:27:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: Just0Us0Two

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

It was a rhetorical question really, the likelihood of you seeing how your op might look like a pathetic and desperate attempt to create controversy was always going to be super low.

But bless you heart all the same.

Create controversy? You're kidding, right? Because a police officer leaving a loaded weapon around for an 8yo to get there hands on isn't controversial? Especially when that weapon is a dreaded "assault rifle" with a "high capacity magazine"?

Tell me that if this story had been slightly different, gun owner allows 8yo to get his gun, 8yo shoots and injures 3 other children, that we wouldn't be hearing about how irresponsible he was. How he should be held criminally responsible. Where was the trigger lock? Why does anyone need an assault rifle? Why does anyone need that many bullets? Etc. Etc. Etc. But since this isn't someone who can be branded an untrained, gun-nut, it's not important.

ETA: PS: Complaining that someone started a thread to "create controversy" is about the stupidest argument I've ever heard. Unless you're a complete hypocrite, you'd have to brand pretty much everyone who starts a thread here with that label. Or is it only "creating controversy" if you don't agree with them?

PPS: And bless your little heart right back.

It was the only thing he could think of to attack you with.
Try starting a totally non controversial thread and see how many people waste time with it.

For example
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RE: 3 Injured in School Shooting, where are the usual s... - 10/26/2013 2:39:51 PM

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Considering that "the usual suspects," so concerned about firearm incidents in the US aren't in or from the US themselves, who cares?

I'd be more interested to know why so few were willing to come join the unmoderated thread.

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RE: 3 Injured in School Shooting, where are the usual s... - 10/26/2013 2:41:43 PM

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Considering that "the usual suspects," so concerned about firearm incidents in the US aren't in or from the US themselves, who cares?

I'd be more interested to know why so few were willing to come join the unmoderated thread.

Because then we would get to play by their rules.

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RE: 3 Injured in School Shooting, where are the usual s... - 10/26/2013 2:49:06 PM

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This whole thing is so stupid it lives down to my view of California.

How so?

The cop screwed up, how could he have left the weapon loaded?

Sounds like someone needs a little emi.

And then the department takes the ARs away from all the motorcycle cops who didn't screw up.
Has the reason they issued them gone away?

What the fuck are the cops doing with automatic weapons?

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