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RE: RIP Lou Reed. - 10/28/2013 1:57:59 PM   
fetisheden


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I don't think that you understand that the statement you are making says everything about you, and nothing about Lou's music
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Until the news last night I'd never heard of him or Velvet Underground.
Of all the musical clips they played all night long on the news, I'd only ever heard of 'Walk on the Wild Side'.
I'm only 16 years his junior so I lived through his era; obviously listening to everyone else.

I daresay he inspired a lot of other groups and singers, but he didn't do anything for me.
I guess I shan't miss him, or his music.





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RE: RIP Lou Reed. - 10/28/2013 1:59:53 PM   
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I recall you said something very similar in the thread when J.J.Cale died. Perhaps you should consider leaving your house occasionally.

Yep. Never heard of him either.
My musical taste, although quite wide, is also extremely singular by choice.
If I hear something I like, I'll look further into it. Maybe even grab a song or two.
Other than that, I completely and utterly dismiss what I heard and who did it and forget it.
I am way too busy to clutter my mind with incidental stuff that doesn't hold my interest.
My music library is currently just over 26,500 albums.
All of them are 60's, and 70's with a tiny handful of 80's and smidge of classical.
And no, none of it includes a single item from either performer.

ETA: To be honest, music plays such little part of my life that I wouldn't miss all those that I know of if they all dropped stone dead tomorrow. I listen to maybe an hour or two a year and that's it.
Sad but true.


You have 26,500 albums and yet you say music plays such little part of your life??

Why collect them then?

Also, being into specific music does not preclude one from being aware of iconic musicians and performers.

I may not listen to jazz for example, but certainly know about the pioneers and influencers.


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RE: RIP Lou Reed. - 10/28/2013 2:18:27 PM   
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I am way too busy to clutter my mind with incidental stuff that doesn't hold my interest.
My music library is currently just over 26,500 albums.
All of them are 60's, and 70's with a tiny handful of 80's and smidge of classical.
And no, none of it includes a single item from either performer.

ETA: To be honest, music plays such little part of my life that I wouldn't miss all those that I know of if they all dropped stone dead tomorrow. I listen to maybe an hour or two a year and that's it.
Sad but true.

You have over 26,500 albums, listen to maybe an hour or two of music in a year, and according to your profile you don't work and you rarely ever leave your house. I see your point; music like Lou Reed's and J.J.Cale's would not likely offer anything to you. Though why you take the time to post your lack of interest on their "obituary" forum threads is somewhat mysterious - I suppose such efforts explain why you are so busy.

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RE: RIP Lou Reed. - 10/28/2013 2:39:54 PM   
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ETA: To be honest, music plays such little part of my life that I wouldn't miss all those that I know of if they all dropped stone dead tomorrow. I listen to maybe an hour or two a year and that's it.



Which is fine, but it doesn't really qualify you to judge the importance of an artist's music. Anymore then I could come to an informed conclusion on the work of an economist.

But yes, I'm prepared to accept that Lou Reed probably isn't important to someone who doesn't care about music.

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RE: RIP Lou Reed. - 10/28/2013 2:55:49 PM   
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ETA: To be honest, music plays such little part of my life that I wouldn't miss all those that I know of if they all dropped stone dead tomorrow. I listen to maybe an hour or two a year and that's it.

Which is fine, but it doesn't really qualify you to judge the importance of an artist's music. Anymore then I could come to an informed conclusion on the work of an economist.

But yes, I'm prepared to accept that Lou Reed probably isn't important to someone who doesn't care about music.

I didn't say I didn't care about music. Why would I collect so much if I didn't??
But like many people, I collect what I actually like to listen to - when I do.
I didn't like what he produced so it didn't figure in my life. Simples.
I don't think anyone is actually 'qualified' to judge the importance of an artists music except for whether they liked them or not.
Even an avid follower and fan isn't qualified to judge except on a personal level.
But if you and others liked him, fair enough.
In my case, I didn't. Ergo, no importance for me.

I'm not saying I'm glad to see him go because I'm not.
He had a great influence on a lot of other people; artists and listeners alike.
But I can still hold, and say, my opinion on how he influenced me and my life.

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RE: RIP Lou Reed. - 10/28/2013 2:58:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		FD, I've noticed on several threads I've started, you come across as negative. Starting arguments that revolve around you. Why not contribute to threads in a positve way? you're starting to get a reputation.

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RE: RIP Lou Reed. - 10/28/2013 3:01:27 PM   
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Also, being into specific music does not preclude one from being aware of iconic musicians and performers.

I may not listen to jazz for example, but certainly know about the pioneers and influencers.

You may think he's iconic.
I, and many others, don't.
Why do you think he never really made the mainstream?
Because he wasn't so popular.

I don't listen to jazz either and I'd be hard pushed to think of maybe one or two at best.
As I said, if it doesn't appeal to me, I just wipe it clean out of my memory.
I just don't need to know about the pioneers and influencers because they just don't interest me at all.

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RE: RIP Lou Reed. - 10/28/2013 3:05:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
I didn't say I didn't care about music. Why would I collect so much if I didn't??



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music plays such little part of my life that I wouldn't miss all those that I know of if they all dropped stone dead tomorrow


If music plays so little part of your life, you by definition don't really care about it, no? Why would you care about something that you wouldn't miss? That would be silly.

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I don't think anyone is actually 'qualified' to judge the importance of an artists music except for whether they liked them or not


Not true. Someone who has music as an important part of their life is better placed to comment on the importance of someone's music. In the same way as someone who follows sports is better placed to comment on how influential a sports star is and the quality of their game.

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But I can still hold, and say, my opinion on how he influenced me and my life.

Certainly. But I'm equally within my rights to judge the value of your opinion, going by your posts about the importance of music. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but it is not the case that all opinions are of equal importance.


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RE: RIP Lou Reed. - 10/28/2013 3:06:27 PM   
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FD, I've noticed on several threads I've started, you come across as negative. Starting arguments that revolve around you. Why not contribute to threads in a positve way? you're starting to get a reputation.

Sorry Gary, if I don't like something, I'm entitled to say it.
It's not whether you started it or not; it's just my opinion on that particular topic.
Sorry if it's negative. Someone has to say it even if it's not popular.

Nobody says all the topics have to have an agreeable audience.
But here, like the other one about JJ someone.
I said I didn't miss him.
If others want to pick up on that and make me sound illiterate or ignorant then I have a right to reply.

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RE: RIP Lou Reed. - 10/28/2013 3:11:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Apocalypso
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
I didn't say I didn't care about music. Why would I collect so much if I didn't??


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music plays such little part of my life that I wouldn't miss all those that I know of if they all dropped stone dead tomorrow


If music plays so little part of your life, you by definition don't really care about it, no? Why would you care about something that you wouldn't miss? That would be silly.

Silly assumption.
I care about music - just not the majority of it.
And because I listen to so little of it means I wouldn't miss it.
But that still doesn't say I don't care about it.

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ORIGINAL: Apocalypso

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I don't think anyone is actually 'qualified' to judge the importance of an artists music except for whether they liked them or not


Not true. Someone who has music as an important part of their life is better placed to comment on the importance of someone's music. In the same way as someone who follows sports is better placed to comment on how influential a sports star is and the quality of their game.

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But I can still hold, and say, my opinion on how he influenced me and my life.

Certainly. But I'm equally within my rights to judge the value of your opinion, going by your posts about the importance of music. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but it is not the case that all opinions are of equal importance.


I disagree. All opinions are of equal importance.
If an artist died that you didn't like, didn't care for and didn't listen to, your views on his music are just as important as those that followed him.
Whether you like those views is another ball of wax, but not less important.

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RE: RIP Lou Reed. - 10/28/2013 3:14:01 PM   
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yes.it's funny when people are so proud of their ignorance

Not ignorance.
I disliked him and his music so much that I discarded him from my mind and I said so.
That isn't ignorance; that's my personal judgement.

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RE: RIP Lou Reed. - 10/28/2013 3:20:04 PM   
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That observation seemed to you to be THE one worth posting here?

Yep. A tasteless joke is always worth posting. That's what the internet is there for.

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RE: RIP Lou Reed. - 10/28/2013 3:32:29 PM   
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I disagree. All opinions are of equal importance.


But if that is the case, it would mean that my opinion that not all opinions are of equal importance would be of equal importance and hence nullify the idea that all opinions are of equal importance.

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If an artist died that you didn't like, didn't care for and didn't listen to, your views on his music are just as important as those that followed him.


It's not because you don't like him that I question the relevance of your opinion.

It's because you've done stuff like used an appeal to popularity fallacy. (Which is a bit weird anyway, when we're talking about an artist that has gone gold in the US and platinum in the UK).

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RE: RIP Lou Reed. - 10/28/2013 3:36:13 PM   
freedomdwarf1


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Status: offline 		Whether his music went gold, platinum or just rust is immaterial.
MJ is hated by some and revered by others.

Whether you love or hate an artist, each opinion is as important as anyone elses.

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RE: RIP Lou Reed. - 10/28/2013 3:40:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		The popularity fallacy is relevant (or at least as relevant as that particular fallacy ever is) in this case because it's a long time since Reed has had a gold record on either side of the Atlantic. Wasn't the last one that sold enough to go gold in its year of release Magic And Loss? That was back in '92, I think. Reed did have some very successful records in his day, but he's much better known as a boutique artist with a cult following who made solid but often poorly selling records, than he is for his big hits from the early '70s these days.

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RE: RIP Lou Reed. - 10/28/2013 4:16:48 PM   
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I've been trying to resist, but...

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RE: RIP Lou Reed. - 10/28/2013 4:17:35 PM   
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How did they notice? He's looked dead for the last decade and a half at least...


Harsh, but fair.

I have been listening to all my favourites, in memoriam.

My personal all time favourite being "The Future"



Why walk?

Surely you mean don't settle for walking?
(The one Devo did was much better...)

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RE: RIP Lou Reed. - 10/28/2013 4:54:07 PM   
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I disliked him and his music so much that I discarded him from my mind and I said so.

Yes you did. And I'm just as pleased to see you here as I am when Westboro Baptist Church shows up at a solder's funeral.

Kinda makes words unnecessary, if ya know what I mean. Good luck.

K.


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RE: RIP Lou Reed. - 10/28/2013 5:28:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Meanwhile, let's maybe respect Lou's personal choice of demon in a bag (or can, or bottle) and say, in a wake respectful manner of the man,

as a child, you like Ovaltine,

as a teen you like crap soda,

as a late adolescent you like crap soda-based booze and cheap beer,

as a barely post-adolescent you like true ales, Barely Wine and begin to have a taste for Beaujolais,

as an adult you appreciate things with texture, undertones and depth, even if as a youngster these fluids would make you gag and retch,

and this is like music, and like Lou Reed, who is to the ear like a Spanish Shiraz, cellared for over 8 years, is to the palate.

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RE: RIP Lou Reed. - 10/28/2013 5:47:25 PM   
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I disliked him and his music so much that I discarded him from my mind and I said so.

Yes you did. And I'm just as pleased to see you here as I am when Westboro Baptist Church shows up at a solder's funeral.

Kinda makes words unnecessary, if ya know what I mean. Good luck.

K.



You put your finger on it for me. That's the feeling I get when he posts what he does in the eulogy threads. Thanks.

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