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truckinslave -> RE: Another outrage from the R of P (10/29/2013 5:49:54 PM)

Post #1 assumed people knew that raped women are often punished in Islamic countries for, in effect, having been raped. I should not have underestimated the ignorance here- especially not yours, which is oh so often deliberate.

Post #7 corrected said assumption, provided specific, verifiable instances of such punishments, and discussed the underpinnings of the validity of such punishments under sharia law.

It's just facts. Like honor killings. Like 27% of British Muslims admitting to supporting the subway bombings there. Just facts. That you do not want to believe and thus dismiss.

Remember, though, they'll probably kill the perverts first.



truckinslave -> RE: Another outrage from the R of P (10/29/2013 5:51:47 PM)

There you go again. Ignoring facts; in this case he institutionalization of (homosexual) pedophilia in Afghanistan.



chastityDom1 -> RE: Another outrage from the R of P (10/29/2013 5:53:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Like 27% of British Muslims admitting to supporting the subway bombings there.


ooh, going to need a link of some sort to that otherwise I might think you are a [awaiting approval]



truckinslave -> RE: Another outrage from the R of P (10/29/2013 5:56:12 PM)

Thee was a major poll taken soon after the bombings. Those were the results. Made all but the liberal news outlets.
You can look it up if you like. Google is your friend as much as mine.
"polite"sub and I have plowed that field before lol



chastityDom1 -> RE: Another outrage from the R of P (10/29/2013 6:01:02 PM)

I live here neo, and that shit wasn't clear to me then, you made the fucking claim, you fucking google it and post it



Politesub53 -> RE: Another outrage from the R of P (10/29/2013 6:01:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

There you go again. Ignoring facts; in this case he institutionalization of (homosexual) pedophilia in Afghanistan.


Why lie ? I clearly posted that your link only mentioned Afghanistan as you claimed. Thats hardly ignoring what is going on inside Afghanistan is it.

As for your other claim that 27% of UK Muslims supported the 7/7 bombings, thats also bullshit. The figure was 6% which means the other 94% didnt support it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism

The problem I have with you is you always try and link all Muslims as one, probably out of ignorance, since you yourself said you dont mix with them if you can help it. You should get out and educate yourself on Muslims as a whole and stop posting bogus claims.



Politesub53 -> RE: Another outrage from the R of P (10/29/2013 6:03:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Thee was a major poll taken soon after the bombings. Those were the results. Made all but the liberal news outlets.
You can look it up if you like. Google is your friend as much as mine.
"polite"sub and I have plowed that field before lol



Indeed we have. So I have posted the poll in question. Read it and weep.



truckinslave -> RE: Another outrage from the R of P (10/29/2013 6:08:14 PM)

Actually, I decided to look for a second and found something interesting.

A Daily Telegraph survey[3] showed that 6% of British Muslims (about 100,000 individuals) fully supported the July 2005 bombings in the London Underground, and one Muslim in four expressed some sympathy with the bombers.[4] A later poll found that one Muslim in four thought the Government had staged the bombings and framed the Muslims convicted.[5] A 2011 study by Pew showed that 1 in 5 Muslim Americans thought there was a great deal or a fair amount of support amongst them for extremism.[6]

The above from wiki. I know, I know, and you're right, but you really can research it too.

I colored the part I found most interesting: the ability of the Muslim ind to believe the most fantastical of things is another theme of mine. There was a USA Today article years ago quoting a returning American teacher discussing the difficulties of trying to teach Iraqi teachers the very concept of linear thinking.
They do not, I believe, think the way we do.



truckinslave -> RE: Another outrage from the R of P (10/29/2013 6:09:17 PM)

Move along. Nothing to see here. My bad.



truckinslave -> RE: Another outrage from the R of P (10/29/2013 6:18:25 PM)

From the article we both cited:

A Daily Telegraph survey[3] showed that 6% of British Muslims (about 100,000 individuals) fully supported the July 2005 bombings in the London Underground, and one Muslim in four expressed some sympathy with the bombers.

They rounded it down to 1 in 4. I have not looked at the exact language of the poll in years; but, yeah wiki's characterization of "and 1 in 4 expressed some sympathy" means "support" in my mind. And those are the ones who admitted it in such an atmosphere of paranoia and fear as shown by the fourth who thought the bombings a government action and the perpetrators wrongly convicted patsies.

If the ones expressing sympathy and the paranoids are different people (and they should be, given the fear that accompanies paranoia), then fully half of the British Muslims polled admit to what I consider insanity.

Which would mean, imo, that half of them are honest.



Politesub53 -> RE: Another outrage from the R of P (10/29/2013 6:26:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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So I have posted the poll in question.


Really?



Yes you got me, I thought the Wiki link would show the Telegraph poll and it doesnt. Maybe you could find your 27% claim again.



Politesub53 -> RE: Another outrage from the R of P (10/29/2013 6:32:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

From the article we both cited:

A Daily Telegraph survey[3] showed that 6% of British Muslims (about 100,000 individuals) fully supported the July 2005 bombings in the London Underground, and one Muslim in four expressed some sympathy with the bombers.

They rounded it down to 1 in 4. I have not looked at the exact language of the poll in years; but, yeah wiki's characterization of "and 1 in 4 expressed some sympathy" means "support" in my mind. And those are the ones who admitted it in such an atmosphere of paranoia and fear as shown by the fourth who thought the bombings a government action and the perpetrators wrongly convicted patsies.

If the ones expressing sympathy and the paranoids are different people (and they should be, given the fear that accompanies paranoia), then fully half of the British Muslims polled admit to what I consider insanity.

Which would mean, imo, that half of them are honest.


Am I reading you right, are you suggesting rounding something down from 6% = 1 in 4. As for your notion that sympathy equals support ( I allow for the fact you said "In my mind" Do you not grasp that means there were two seperate question in the poll, for there surely had to be to get two seperate answers.

Question A) Do you support the terrorist bombings.
Question B) Do you have some sympathy for the terrorists cause.

Hardly the same question is it, hence two different answers.



Moonhead -> RE: Another outrage from the R of P (10/29/2013 6:55:54 PM)

Forget the poll: I'd be a lot more interested to hear how much oil the States are importing from Pakistan if we're talking bizarre statements with no connection to reality...



truckinslave -> RE: Another outrage from the R of P (10/29/2013 6:56:20 PM)

Or:

How do you feel about the subway bombings and bombers?

A. I support them.
B. I have some sympathy for their actions.
C. I neither support them nor have sympathy for them.
D. I hate the bombers and think they should be executed by decapitation effected by high-powered streams of pigs blood, their bodies first encased in pig leather, then buried at an unknown location in the Marianas Trench in lead coffins filled with pig shit. Finally, their families should be charged the full cost thereof.

Like that. A continuum.



DomKen -> RE: Another outrage from the R of P (10/29/2013 8:11:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

People who are unable to see the difference in sharia- as practiced- and Christianity- as practiced- are fools.

How many Jews have been executed for violating the "Mosaic Code"? Go back as far as you like- say ten years- then reread the atrocities listed in just the one link posted above.

People who are unable to make moral choices see value in the puerile moral equivalence pablum you preach. I do not.

So you agree then that Muslims who do not follow every tenet of sharia, i.e. almost all Muslims, are not inherently all the bad stuff you ascribed to them?



DomKen -> RE: Another outrage from the R of P (10/29/2013 8:16:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Afghanistan- and other parts of the Muslim world. Common fucking knowledge actually.

Bacha Bazi

That practice predates Islam as does very similar behavior on Greece and Rome predates Christianity but the practice continued for quite some time in the Greco-Roman sphere after Christianity became the dominant faith.

And I'll just leave for contemplation the institutionalization of pedophilia amongst the priests and ministers etc. of Christianity.



truckinslave -> RE: Another outrage from the R of P (10/29/2013 8:25:47 PM)

I think they are Bart Stupac: when pushed by the Party/Mosque they agree to whatever evil is required of them.



truckinslave -> RE: Another outrage from the R of P (10/29/2013 8:30:29 PM)

Only historical moral equivalence is weaker than current moral equivalence.
The essence of being a moral person is being able to say: "A is better than B'; not "A and B are equally bad because of something A did a few centuries ago". That, imo, is the domain of the morally bankrupt.

This current, open, flourishing evil, not an historical exercise.



DomKen -> RE: Another outrage from the R of P (10/29/2013 8:40:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

I think they are Bart Stupac: when pushed by the Party/Mosque they agree to whatever evil is required of them.

Then you really know nothing of Muslims. They run the gamut just as members of every other faith do. Following any aspect of sharia is no more required of Muslims than following the mosaic code is of Jews or Christians. All that is required of Muslims is obeying the five pillars, declaring there is no god but Allah, praying five times a day, fasting during Ramadan, giving a set percentage of your income to the poor and making the pilgrimage to Mecca once during their lifetime if that is feasible.

What you obsess over is the repugnant behavior of fundamentalist. Which faith the fundamentalists are is really immaterial. If Christian fundamentalists ever take over a nation you can expect the same sorts of atrocities you now attack Muslims for. Just look into the actions of Oliver Cromwell to see that even "civilized Christians" are capable of atrocities in the name of their faith.



DomKen -> RE: Another outrage from the R of P (10/29/2013 8:42:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Only historical moral equivalence is weaker than current moral equivalence.
The essence of being a moral person is being able to say: "A is better than B'; not "A and B are equally bad because of something A did a few centuries ago". That, imo, is the domain of the morally bankrupt.

This current, open, flourishing evil, not an historical exercise.

But it isn't anything to do with Islam. It is a cultural practice that long predates the area's conversion to Islam just as the Greco-Roman pedophilia and pederasty had nothing to do with Christianity.



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