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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/5/2013 1:35:06 PM   
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Complete and utter bullshit.

The consult staff were warned by the militia protecting the place that they were being blackmailed not to be there the night of the attack.
The staff caught people making pictures of the secure layout the day before the attack.

You got any evidence for the bribing of the militia?

quote:

Sean said the same thing - on the eve network. I'm paraphrasing, but he said that he would be participating in an eve raid, if he did'n't get shot. They caught someone photographing the ground today.

Stop telling lies about Vile Rat. What he said was "Fuck" "gunshots" and never came back on Jabber. While I didn't know him very well I am friends with guys in Goonswarm who were very close with him. So stop just making shit up.

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This is all in the public record.

Finally, at 9pm the an in charge of the mission asked for f-16's to be sent. He was originally told they were on their way.
The Africa command had a relief force queued up. They were told to stand down.

links?
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When the state department people went to aid their commands, the lieutenant that was to be in charge of the military component was told to stand down - and he said "this is the first time in his life that he's seen state department have more balls than the military".

We sent a relief force. There was no military component. You just lied yet again

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Regarding the safe house location - are you kidding me?
The cia mission there was to track and to purchase back shoulder mounted anti air missiles from al-qaida related and other militias.
To think that the anwar militia didn't know where the safe house was, or that they knew because of a congressional hearing is ridiculous.

It's actually the truth. They didn't know about the safe house as they didn't attack it. They followed the convoy there and that's when they attacked it. even then they didn't know who they were fighting as CIA operators don't wear windbreakers with CIA on them. The fact it was a CIA facility was revealed by a Republican Congressman during the hearings.

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/5/2013 1:52:14 PM   
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And its been many MORE years, since those THIRTEEN EMBASSY ATTACKS from the former George W. Bush Administration. Don't see conservatives of any kind holding Republicans fully accountable or responsible, yet they are 'ok' when it happens....ONCE....in two terms of President Obama. Can you say 'Hypocrites'? I know you can!

The issue isn't that there was an attack. There is no way for any President to prevent an attack.
The issue is the response to the attack. The issue is the spin that came out of the Administration; the deflection of attention.
THAT is the issue (and you know it's the issue).

Did W ever scramble jets from a base 600 miles away during any of those attacks? Why not? Where was the conservative movement outrage then?


Um, did Bush lie about any of those attacks? The "cause" of any of those attacks? Did Bush have his UN envoy lie to the UN about the attacks?




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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/5/2013 2:03:51 PM   
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well, there was that one attack at the world trade center he lied about.

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/5/2013 2:06:41 PM   
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well, there was that one attack at the world trade center he lied about.


What lie?


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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/5/2013 2:07:54 PM   
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That he was going to get the people responsible, and then his segue constructed so it was Saddam, and that he was training al-queda, and the list goes on, it was a long-chained, multi-faceted lie.

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/5/2013 2:25:58 PM   
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That he was going to get the people responsible, and then his segue constructed so it was Saddam, and that he was training al-queda, and the list goes on, it was a long-chained, multi-faceted lie.


Yep. That's exactly the same as telling the American people and the UN that the attack was due to a youtube video.

Exactly the same.

We went after al Qaeda.
We went after bin Laden.

Oddly enough, though, Bush had all the authority to go after Saddam as Obama had for Libya, and Syria. Now, correct me if I'm wrong (or if I'm right, I know that part doesn't always matter to some ), but if someone is going to base their criticism of Bush's military foray into Iraq on his not having the authority to do so, then that same criticism should be leveled at the Obama Administration.

Maybe 9/11 was a prescient attack for that youtube video...


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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/5/2013 2:37:30 PM   
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One quote of actionable intelligence, more when I have time:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/militia-hired-state-dept-warned-it-wouldn-t-protect-stevens-movements-benghazi

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/5/2013 2:46:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: joether
And its been many MORE years, since those THIRTEEN EMBASSY ATTACKS from the former George W. Bush Administration. Don't see conservatives of any kind holding Republicans fully accountable or responsible, yet they are 'ok' when it happens....ONCE....in two terms of President Obama. Can you say 'Hypocrites'? I know you can!

The issue isn't that there was an attack. There is no way for any President to prevent an attack.
The issue is the response to the attack. The issue is the spin that came out of the Administration; the deflection of attention.
THAT is the issue (and you know it's the issue).

Did W ever scramble jets from a base 600 miles away during any of those attacks? Why not? Where was the conservative movement outrage then?


Um, did Bush lie about any of those attacks? The "cause" of any of those attacks? Did Bush have his UN envoy lie to the UN about the attacks?

I'm pretty sure W never even held a press conference on any of them.

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/5/2013 2:48:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

One quote of actionable intelligence, more when I have time:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/militia-hired-state-dept-warned-it-wouldn-t-protect-stevens-movements-benghazi

You think that is actionable intelligence? All that shows is a militia said it wasn't going to work for us any more.

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/5/2013 2:50:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

One quote of actionable intelligence, more when I have time:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/militia-hired-state-dept-warned-it-wouldn-t-protect-stevens-movements-benghazi


LOLOLOLOL. Fuckin Brent Bozell who wouldnt have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of except he is married to Wm F Buckleys sister?  You have got to be joking that fucker is more rancid than Breitbart, that is lapidary nutsacker asswipe. Period.


Fucking pinnacle of stupid, dredging that toiletswill up as meaningful. 

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/5/2013 2:57:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

One quote of actionable intelligence, more when I have time:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/militia-hired-state-dept-warned-it-wouldn-t-protect-stevens-movements-benghazi

lol

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/5/2013 3:11:24 PM   
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CBS news

Militia caught filming the compound:

Event Staff at the US special mission in Benghazi woke on 11 September to the sight of a Libyan policeman, deployed to guard them, filming the compound from a neighbouring rooftop. When challenged, he vanished. Later, an unmarked car made lazy circles around the compound, a walled redoubt rented in the southern suburbs of the Libyan city.

the ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens, had received a veiled warning. According to one of his cables, one of his diplomats had a meeting with two Islamist militia leaders in which they complained that the US was supporting a secular leader, Mahmoud Jibril, in a vote for prime minister due on 12 September. If Jibril won, they warned, they would "no longer guarantee security".

Regarding Sean Smith:
Here's the quote:
At least one man inside the compound was anxious. Sean Smith, a 34-year-old information management officer accompanying the ambassador on the visit, emailed a friend: "Assuming we don't die tonight. We saw one of our 'police' that guard the compound taking pictures." Hours later, he was dead.

Funny you say there was no actionable intelligence. The embassy thought there was.

The anniversary of the 9/11 attacks also preyed on the minds of compound staff in Benghazi. In a letter found in the ruins by the Guardian, Stevens wrote: "For security reasons, we'll need to be careful about limiting moves off compound and scheduling as many meetings as possible in the villa."

But moreover, in the request for the dedicated plane, and in the request for an upgraded security detachment, the embassy alluded to credible threats. In the log, the embassy specifically requested assistance less than a week before the attack, and additional requests mere days before.

No actionable intelligence my ass. Every other western institution found cause to act - and pulled out. And our people were left to hang out to dry.


And here's your fucking source for you: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/us-consulate-benghazi-attack-challenge




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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/5/2013 3:13:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

One quote of actionable intelligence, more when I have time:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/militia-hired-state-dept-warned-it-wouldn-t-protect-stevens-movements-benghazi

You think that is actionable intelligence? All that shows is a militia said it wasn't going to work for us any more.


Yeah?

So you think not having an escort as you walk around an active insurgency - you don't think thats actionable, huh?
You don't think you could engage new escorts, send marines, recall the ambassador?


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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/5/2013 3:16:56 PM   
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LOLOLOL, and what was the actionable intelligence, the email that smith sent to his buddy?
A guy who had a meeting and may or may not said to Stevens, they said they may not be able to guarentee your security?  

Well lets haul out the WMD we got from Saddam, by god and nuke that fuckin place, the embassy and all!!!

That is actionable, and I am gonna take action right now............snoooooooore. 

Oh, yea, and shoot that fuckin buddy for not getting on the horn to the whitehouse, and telling Obama about that actionable intel.

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/5/2013 3:20:59 PM   
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(Continued)

Testimony at capitol hill:

The regional security officer for the embassy knew that there were ties between the feb 17 militia and islamic extremists.

These were the militia we hired to protect the compound. These were the same guys that warned that an attack was coming and who either were not there the night of the attack or waved the attackers through.

You don't think - at the very least that the militia could have been replaced with Marines?







(CNSNews.com)

Rep. Blake Farenthold (R.-Texas), who asked Hicks about the militia's complicity in the attacks, also asked Eric Nordstrom, who had been the State Department’s regional security officer (RSO) at the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli until July 26 of last year, whether the department was aware that the militia had any ties to Islamic extremists.

“Absolutely,” said Nordstrom. “Yeah, we had that discussion on a number of occasions, the last of which was when there was a Facebook posting of a threat that named Ambassador Stevens and Senator McCain, who was coming out for the elections that was in the July time frame. I had met with some of my agents and then also with some Annex personnel. We discussed that.”
- See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/testimony-elements-militia-state-dept-hired-station-members-inside-benghazi-compound#sthash.uzNDBkgK.dpuf

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/5/2013 3:24:44 PM   
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Oh, yea, and shoot that fuckin buddy for not getting on the horn to the whitehouse, and telling Obama about that actionable intel.



He did.

Additionally, at the time of the attack there was a direct patch to the whitehouse. That conversation continued for almost 9 hours.
Additionally, the deputy chief of mission had an open line to the site of the attack and could hear the attack.



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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/5/2013 4:15:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

One quote of actionable intelligence, more when I have time:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/militia-hired-state-dept-warned-it-wouldn-t-protect-stevens-movements-benghazi

You think that is actionable intelligence? All that shows is a militia said it wasn't going to work for us any more.


Yeah?

So you think not having an escort as you walk around an active insurgency - you don't think thats actionable, huh?
You don't think you could engage new escorts, send marines, recall the ambassador?

The Ambassador knew it was a chaotic situation and that his personal safety was not guaranteed. He went any way. That's part of the job. A job which BTW the conservatives have mercilessly trashed for decades. The irony of you guys suddenly rushing to defend a diplomat is just too much.

And actionable intelligence has a meaning. That is it is intelligence that lets us take a specific action to foil a plot or achieve some other goal. This is far from actionable intelligence. It is simply a group saying they weren't going to be available to be paid by us anymore. No where did they say it was because guys they hate and have tried to wipe out were about to attack the US consulate.

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/5/2013 4:17:12 PM   
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(Continued)

Testimony at capitol hill:

The regional security officer for the embassy knew that there were ties between the feb 17 militia and islamic extremists.

These were the militia we hired to protect the compound. These were the same guys that warned that an attack was coming and who either were not there the night of the attack or waved the attackers through.

You don't think - at the very least that the militia could have been replaced with Marines?

Feb. 17th martyrs have ties to AQ? Where did you dig that crap up at? They've been engaged in a campaign to eradicate the AQ militias since the civil war ended.

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/5/2013 4:19:32 PM   
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Oh, yea, and shoot that fuckin buddy for not getting on the horn to the whitehouse, and telling Obama about that actionable intel.



He did.

Additionally, at the time of the attack there was a direct patch to the whitehouse. That conversation continued for almost 9 hours.

Sure there was. The consulate was evacuated less than 2 hours after the attack.
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Additionally, the deputy chief of mission had an open line to the site of the attack and could hear the attack.

And he sent all available combat personnel and the Libyan government sent what ever rapid reaction guys they had and started getting a larger force organized that went later but arrived after the battle ended.





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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/5/2013 5:26:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Um, did Bush lie about any of those attacks? The "cause" of any of those attacks? Did Bush have his UN envoy lie to the UN about the attacks?

I'm pretty sure W never even held a press conference on any of them.


Huh. So, there was no lie about the attacks. There was no lie about the cause of the attacks. There was no lie to the UN about the attacks.

You have a very strange way of answering, "no," Ken.

22 Jan 2002 Calcutta
    quote:

    Heavily-armed gunmen have attacked the US Government's information centre near the American consulate in Calcutta, killing five policemen.
    Indian police said the four men, draped in shawls, sped up to the American Centre building on two motorcycles at about O615 local time (0045GMT), refusing to stop at checkpoints and shooting at police guards who returned fire.


The article was posted just over 10 hours after the attack, and 2 groups had claimed they had carried out the attacks.

14 June 2002 Karachi
    quote:

    A suicide attacker detonated a powerful car-bomb outside the U.S. Consulate in the southern port city of Karachi, Pakistan, Friday, killing himself and at least ten others.


That PBS story was written less than 15 hours after the attack.

12 Oct 2002 Indonesia bombing
    quote:

    President George Bush yesterday [Oct 13th] called on the international community to confront "this global menace, terrorism". Tony Blair said he was horrified by "this appalling terrorist act".


28 Feb 2003 Islamabad/Karachi
    quote:

    At least two policemen have been killed in a gun attack outside the US consulate in the Pakistani city of Karachi.
    ...
    "The suspect is not linked to al-Qaeda, but connected to some local Pakistani extremist group," a senior police official told Reuters news agency.
    An intelligence official told the AFP news agency: "The policemen were hate-targets because they were protecting Americans."


Happened outside a consulate, but wasn't even targeting Americans.

12 May 2003 Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
    quote:

    Suicide bombings Monday night at three housing compounds in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, killed at least 20 people -- including seven Americans, the Saudi Interior Ministry said. Nine bombers also died. Government officials suspect the attacks were conducted by al Qaeda terrorists.


Suicide Bombers. Died in the blasts. Purported to be al Qaeda, who we were already engaged with.

30 July 2004 Tashkent, Uzbekistan
    quote:

    he explosions, which occurred outside the buildings of both embassies in the Uzbek capital Tashkent, appeared to have been set off by suicide bombers, Reuters reported. Two Uzbeks were killed in the attacks.
    A U.S. Embassy official said no Americans were injured as a result of the blast.
    ...
    The three blasts, which included one at the state prosecutor's office, took place as 15 suspected al-Qaida members stand trial in Tashkent for a series of violent attacks earlier this year that killed nearly 50 people. Uzbek officials have accused the men of trying to overthrow the government led by Islam Karimov.
    Karimov, who runs the former Soviet republic with an iron fist, according to the AP, and who has been accused of abuses by human rights groups, has been trying to eliminate Islamic extremism in his country. During the 2001 U.S. war in Afghanistan, Karimov allowed the placement of U.S. military bases within his countries boundaries which border Afghanistan. He has been an ally of the United States since.


6 Dec 2004 Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
    quote:

    group of attackers stormed the American Consulate in the Saudi Arabian city of Jidda today, using explosives at the gates to breach the outer wall and enter the compound, the Saudi Interior Ministry said in a statement. At least eight people were killed in the incident, in which guards and Saudi security forces confronted the group, according to the ministry and news agencies.
    Three of the attackers were killed. Five non-American employees were killed, an American embassy spokesman, Carol Kalin, told Reuters. She declined to provide the nationality of those killed, but said they were members of the consulate staff.
    Reuters reported that Saudi security officials said four of their men also died in the incident, which would bring the death toll to 12.
    Two of the attackers were wounded and detained when they battled with Saudi security forces, the interior ministry said.
    The ministry statement referred to the attackers as deviants, a term it has used in the past to describe militants and members of Al Qaeda. There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the attack.
    ...
    In Washington, President Bush said that the attack showed that "terrorists are still on the move".
    He was speaking to reporters at the end of a meeting with Sheik Ghazi al-Yawar, the interim president of Iraq, where elections scheduled for Jan. 30 have been foreshadowed by violence.
    "They want us to leave Saudi Arabia, they want us to leave Iraq, they want us to grow timid and weary in the face of their willingness to kill randomly, kill innocent people," Mr. Bush said.
    "That's why these elections in Iraq are very important," he said.


2 MArch 2006 Karachi, Pakistan
    quote:

    A suicide attacker rammed a car packed with explosives into a vehicle carrying an American diplomat in Pakistan’s largest city, killing four people — including the diplomat — ahead of President Bush’s visit to Pakistan.
    Bush condemned the attack near the U.S. Consulate and a luxury hotel in Karachi, and said “terrorists and killers” would not prevent him from going to Pakistan on the final leg of his tour of South Asia.
    “We have lost at least one U.S. citizen in the bombing, a foreign service officer, and I send our country’s deepest condolences to that person’s loved ones and family,” Bush said at a news conference in neighboring India , without naming the diplomat.


12 Sep 2006 Damascus, Syria
    quote:

    U.S. officials praised Syrian security forces for thwarting Tuesday's attack on the U.S. Embassy in Damascus despite the usually tense relationship with the Middle Eastern country.
    The Syrians killed three attackers and apprehended a suspect outside the embassy after a car exploded near the walls of the American compound, the Syrian Information Ministry said.
    "I do think the Syrians reacted to the attack in a way that helped to secure our people, and we very much appreciate that," U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said while visiting Canada.


12 Jan 2007 Athens, Greece
    quote:

    An antitank grenade was fired into the heavily fortified American Embassy here just before dawn today. The building was empty, but the attack underscored deep anti-American sentiment here and revived fears of a new round of homegrown terror.
    Greek officials said they doubted the attack was the work of foreign or Islamic terrorists, but rather that of regrouped extreme leftists aiming at a specific, symbolic target: a huge American seal, of a double-headed eagle against a blue background, affixed to the front of the boxy, modern embassy near downtown.
    The round narrowly missed the seal, punching through a window a few feet above and landing in a bathroom on the embassy’s third story, where the ambassador’s office is located.
    The damage was described as minimal. But Charles Ries, the American ambassador, said: “We treat it as a very serious attack. There can be no justification for such a senseless act of violence.”


18 Mar 2008 Sana'a, Yemen
    quote:

    The American Embassy in Yemen was the target of a mortar attack Tuesday, the U.S. State Department said, contradicting a suggestion from the Yemeni government the attack targeted a school where 13 were injured.
    "Our conversations in Yemen have led us to the conclusion that the attack was directed against our embassy," according to a statement released Tuesday evening. "Since this is an ongoing investigation, we are not going to talk about the specifics of the case."
    Earlier, a source with knowledge of the circumstances surrounding Tuesday's mortar attack in the capital city of San'a -- but unauthorized to speak on the record -- told CNN there was a "clear and strong indication" the U.S. embassy was targeted.
    "My strong belief is that there is almost no doubt this is an effort directed at the U.S. embassy," the source said.


9 July 2008 Istanbul, Turkey
    quote:

    Six people have died in a gun battle outside the US consulate in the Turkish city of Istanbul.
    The city's governor, Muammer Guler, said three policemen and three attacking gunmen were killed.
    No injuries were reported to staff inside the consulate. The US ambassador to Turkey condemned it as "an obvious act of terrorism" aimed at the US.


17 Sep 2008 Sana'a, Yemen
    quote:

    Militants attacked the U.S. embassy in Yemen Wednesday, assaulting the structure with automatic weapons, rocket-propelled grenades and at least one suicide car bomb. Officials said the attack killed at least 16 people, including six assailants.
    Authorities told news agencies that no Americans were killed or injured in the assault. The coordinated attack prompted a firefight with security guards that raged for at least 10 minutes at the concrete barriers that circle the compound.
    The dead included six attackers, six Yemeni guards and four civilians, the state news agency SABA reported, according to the Associated Press.
    In one account of the assault, gunmen in a vehicle attacked a checkpoint outside the embassy around 9:15 a.m. Wednesday morning with RPGs and automatic weapons, Yemeni security officials told the AP.
    During the attack, suicide bombers in a vehicle made it through an outer checkpoint and hit a second, inner ring of concrete blocks before detonating, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
    The U.S. Embassy said in a statement that the facility had been attacked by "armed terrorists," with several explosions "in the vicinity" of the main gate that killed an injured a number of guards and Yemeni citizens waiting to enter the embassy.


None of these attacks lasted hours. None of these attacks were blamed on something nebulous like a youtube video (or a cartoon, or a caricature, or anything like that). The only possibly exception would be the 18 Mar 2008 Sana'a, Yemen attack, which Yemeni authorities claimed the US Embassy wasn't the target, but that a teacher at a nearby girls' school was the intended target. But, our sources told us that the US Embassy was most likely the target.

One attack killed an ambassador, which was a car bomb as the ambassador was traveling.

Sorta difficult to scramble the jets to get anywhere in the limited times these attacks happened.

Well, there was that "at least 10 minute" gun battle...

Seriously, Ken. Equating any, or even all 13 combined, to the mess that occurred in Benghazi is ludicrous.

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  • Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)

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