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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/6/2013 12:16:30 PM   
mnottertail


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1. is very disputable, since there are no facts.  
2.  yeah, so what?  the security detachment in washington DC is smaller than Paris. 
3.  we dont know we are the last one, they dont hit them daily, there could be more, cannot be elevated to fact.
4.  and the whale is undoubtably one of the largest mammals alive today, how does that rank in the list of all security breaches for all embassys worldwide?

we dont know about any overrule whatsoever.

I dont like you even, but if you were a low level diplomat or private, and called into my military or diplomatic place of higher order, all shitting your pants and crying.......

Right off the bat I would say...Son, F16's are on the way.

I would then hang up and call around and see if I could help, and if there were f16s somewhere useful, which the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff testified to congress, there werent.

Oh oh, guess what?  I LIED.  But I wouldn't call you back, cuz you would be dead.  

So all in all, that was one of your better classic fails with all the jumble of non-sequiturs and hallucinations, I give it a 3.

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/6/2013 1:10:19 PM   
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During the fight, the men on the ground requested backup. They were initially promised it. And Obama's administration overruled the request.
On what basis did they overturn it? Why? I know exactly why

Are you going to tell us or is that a secret?

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/6/2013 2:54:05 PM   
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Indisputable facts:

1. The consult never passed security standards. It was waived by a member of Obama's team.

What consult? Did you mean consulate?
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2. The security detachment was 1/4 the size of the security detachment in paris.

We have a lot bigger embassy and consular staff to protect in Paris which has been the site of a lot of terror attacks over the years.
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3. An active insurgency campaign was targeting western organizations over the previous year. We were the last one.

So you'd turn tail and run. I see....
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4. More than 400 security breaches were logged.

link?

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If you think the level of security was appropriate - you, and the president were tragicly wrong.

If only everyone had perfect hindsight after the fact. 4000 Americans would not have died over Iraq and 10's of thousands more would not have been maimed over there as well.

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During the fight, the men on the ground requested backup. They were initially promised it. And Obama's administration overruled the request.

No, that is a lie. A relief force was sent as quickly as possible.

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On what basis did they overturn it? Why? I know exactly why - do you?

Since it didn't actually happen no you don't.


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After the fight, they lied for political advantage.

Another lie.

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They spent $350K for "we're sorry apology tour"
They jailed the man that made the video. Is there any doubt if it weren't for the fact he was a scape goat, he'd still be free?

More bullshit. The state of California jailed the guy for parole violations. When a con artist gets caught running a new scam he will always go back to prison.

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/6/2013 3:02:18 PM   
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You may think - I'm not sure how - that any or all of those 13 instances are the same as Benghazi, but you are completely wrong. You questioned whether Bush had sent warplanes. Of course not. In suicide bombings, car bombings, and brief gunfights, there isn't much time at all to respond by scrambling jets. Outside of the times our ambassador was killed by a car bomb (suicide bomber rammed a bomb-filled car into the ambassador's vehicle) and 7 Americans died in a coordinated bombing attack on 3 housing compounds, there weren't any American losses. One of the attacks wasn't even directed at Americans, but at the local security presence guarding the American embassy.

They're all exactly like Benghazi. Bush didn't send warplanes despite not knowing if the attacks would continue or not. Exactly what cons are attacking the President for.

Firefight vs. car bomb - one is over pretty quick, while the other might not end so quick.

Was the mortar attack on an empty consulate like Benghazi?

Was the car bomb driven into the ambassador's vehicle like Benghazi?

And, while we're at it, I don't know if Obama could have helped the situation in Benghazi by scrambling jets. I don't know if that's true or not. One side says one thing while the other side says the other. Which is why - not that it seems like you've noticed - my criticism is in how the situation was handled after the attack was over. In case you missed it, I'm neither critical, nor supportive of Obama's actions during the Benghazi attack. I sure hope that got through...


Lets put all of this in perspective:

If ANY OF THESE happened when President Obama was in office at the time, would conservatives attack him over it? Demanding huge and in-depth 'committees' (aka witch hunts) to find the 'truth' that shows the President either lied or did nothing, while throwing out facts and evidence that say otherwise? An come on to these here boards, thread after thread of flimsy evidence and brutal accusations like Benghazi?

Of course conservatives would! Yet, thirteen embassy attacks, last I checked is thirteen times the number that happened in Benghazi. The point here, is, WHY, have conservatives amass, NOT demanded Republicans be held to the same level (if not twice, since they voted for them!) of accountability and responsibility with power, as they slam the President and Democrats (who they did NOT vote into office) on an hourly basis? Its hypocrisy! The ultimate form of hypocrisy! Its like someone writing blank checks to others, and then screaming at everyone about why the person is in bankruptcy. Is that the kind of person you take seriously, DS?

Conservatives had...THIRTEEN CHANCES....to hold their party responsible and accountable. Why did this not happen? But when the Democrat does it once, he should be impeached. Can you say 'hypocrisy'? When they did happen, conservatives made up all sorts of excuses. So its 'ok' for conservatives to make up excuses, but if liberals do it once...its wrong?

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/6/2013 3:36:19 PM   
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Lets put all of this in perspective:
If ANY OF THESE happened when President Obama was in office at the time, would conservatives attack him over it? Demanding huge and in-depth 'committees' (aka witch hunts) to find the 'truth' that shows the President either lied or did nothing, while throwing out facts and evidence that say otherwise? An come on to these here boards, thread after thread of flimsy evidence and brutal accusations like Benghazi?


5 Apr 2010 Peshawar, Pakistan

1 Feb 2013 Istanbul, Turkey

13 Sep 2013 Herat, Afghanistan

Benghazi was 11 Sep 2012. We've had 2 more attacks since. Boy, those damn conservatives sure have attacked and attacked him over those, eh?

The rest of your post is utter bullshit.


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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/6/2013 4:38:53 PM   
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My my my....how sad...


When will we have hearings on shrub tricking our soldiers into a war and stranding them for years in the desert without proper equipment and/or leadership.....until 4 thousand and four hundred were shot or blown up?


Anyone?

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/6/2013 9:52:54 PM   
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My my my....how sad...
When will we have hearings on shrub tricking our soldiers into a war and stranding them for years in the desert without proper equipment and/or leadership.....until 4 thousand and four hundred were shot or blown up?
Anyone?


Yes, it is quite sad.

Why haven't Bush & Co. been put on trial?




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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/6/2013 10:04:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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My my my....how sad...
When will we have hearings on shrub tricking our soldiers into a war and stranding them for years in the desert without proper equipment and/or leadership.....until 4 thousand and four hundred were shot or blown up?
Anyone?


Yes, it is quite sad.

Why haven't Bush & Co. been put on trial?

They're very careful about their international travel and Bush still has Secret Service protection.

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/6/2013 10:20:57 PM   
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The sad thing is we can expect that our current president would do next to nothing if a country had the balls to arrest bush in his travels.

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/7/2013 1:41:07 AM   
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The sad thing is we can expect that our current president would do next to nothing if a country had the balls to arrest bush in his travels.


He is full of surprises, that President. He did eliminate the guy that attacked us on 9/11.....

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/7/2013 5:49:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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My my my....how sad...
When will we have hearings on shrub tricking our soldiers into a war and stranding them for years in the desert without proper equipment and/or leadership.....until 4 thousand and four hundred were shot or blown up?
Anyone?

Yes, it is quite sad.
Why haven't Bush & Co. been put on trial?

They're very careful about their international travel and Bush still has Secret Service protection.


Really? What is the Secret Service going to do when a cop shows up with an arrest warrant, or when Bush 43 is served?


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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/7/2013 5:51:14 AM   
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laugh in his face, and throw down on him.

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/7/2013 6:06:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Owner59
My my my....how sad...
When will we have hearings on shrub tricking our soldiers into a war and stranding them for years in the desert without proper equipment and/or leadership.....until 4 thousand and four hundred were shot or blown up?
Anyone?

Yes, it is quite sad.
Why haven't Bush & Co. been put on trial?

They're very careful about their international travel and Bush still has Secret Service protection.


Really? What is the Secret Service going to do when a cop shows up with an arrest warrant, or when Bush 43 is served?


They serve to protect him from anyone who would take him to Spain, or Canada or Switzerland or any of the other places that have considered indicting him.

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/7/2013 6:14:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Owner59
My my my....how sad...
When will we have hearings on shrub tricking our soldiers into a war and stranding them for years in the desert without proper equipment and/or leadership.....until 4 thousand and four hundred were shot or blown up?
Anyone?

Yes, it is quite sad.
Why haven't Bush & Co. been put on trial?

They're very careful about their international travel and Bush still has Secret Service protection.

Really? What is the Secret Service going to do when a cop shows up with an arrest warrant, or when Bush 43 is served?

They serve to protect him from anyone who would take him to Spain, or Canada or Switzerland or any of the other places that have considered indicting him.


The US Government doesn't want any hearings? Considering how much braying there was during W's Administration, it's simply amazing that there isn't anything being done.


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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/7/2013 6:45:45 AM   
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quote:

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The sad thing is we can expect that our current president would do next to nothing if a country had the balls to arrest bush in his travels.


He is full of surprises, that President. He did eliminate the guy that attacked us on 9/11.....



Well actually that was intelligence and the seals but I can understand why people jump on anything to make him look good. After all he won the peace prize, he has to look like he is doing something to earn it.

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/7/2013 6:58:21 AM   
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nobody in the W administration had intelligence?  or seals?

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/7/2013 7:03:32 AM   
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nobody in the W administration had intelligence?  or seals?



Bush should have kept looking but he didn't. Now what does that have to do with Obama? That's right, nothing.

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/7/2013 7:33:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
The sad thing is we can expect that our current president would do next to nothing if a country had the balls to arrest bush in his travels.


He is full of surprises, that President. He did eliminate the guy that attacked us on 9/11.....



Well actually that was intelligence and the seals but I can understand why people jump on anything to make him look good. After all he won the peace prize, he has to look like he is doing something to earn it.

The President restarted the search and gave the order to go in and get him. It is entirely accurate to state that the President was responsible for killing OBL. I'm sure cons would hang it around his neck if that raid had been a massive failure.

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/7/2013 7:34:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Owner59
My my my....how sad...
When will we have hearings on shrub tricking our soldiers into a war and stranding them for years in the desert without proper equipment and/or leadership.....until 4 thousand and four hundred were shot or blown up?
Anyone?

Yes, it is quite sad.
Why haven't Bush & Co. been put on trial?

They're very careful about their international travel and Bush still has Secret Service protection.

Really? What is the Secret Service going to do when a cop shows up with an arrest warrant, or when Bush 43 is served?

They serve to protect him from anyone who would take him to Spain, or Canada or Switzerland or any of the other places that have considered indicting him.


The US Government doesn't want any hearings? Considering how much braying there was during W's Administration, it's simply amazing that there isn't anything being done.


Obama did a Ford and ordered the DoJ to not go after anyone in the previous administration despite the many laws we know were broken.

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RE: Update on Benghazi - 11/7/2013 7:46:24 AM   
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nobody in the W administration had intelligence?  or seals?



Bush should have kept looking but he didn't. Now what does that have to do with Obama? That's right, nothing.


Really?........Nothing?

No nothing at all accept that bush closed the bin-laden unit and forgot about the killer while he had more children, took more wives and planned more attacks against us...

While it was just a few days into his presidency that the President directly ordered the CIA chief to start looking again....and assigned the resources to do it.....


Noooo ....nothing at all.............


It was about leadership.....but no one expects a con to recognize it or know what leadership is.

Of course you think it has "nothing" to do between the presidents.....You`re unable to.

But we can............ and we will discuss it whether you`re interested or not....

bush: "I really don't spend that much time thinking about [bin Laden].", "I`m truly not concerned with him" http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

And we know mittens "Wouldn't Have 'Moved Heaven and Earth' or 'spending billions of dollars' to Kill Bin Laden"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-soltz/-romney-wouldnt-have-move_b_1790850.html


As the Iraq war vet points out,if it were up to mittens or bush.......bin laden would still be alive and planning ways to kill us....


Without the leadership.....there is nothing. Things just don`t happen all on their own.


The veteran also points out :

"For those wondering, that's not a made-up quote. Romney said it in an interview with the Associated Press. It's clear that Romney would have become just as disinterested in killing Osama bin Laden as George W. Bush had become. President Bush, of course, said, "I really don't spend that much time thinking about [bin Laden]."

I bring this up, because I think we've all heard about this new right-wing video that attacks President Obama for leading a successful operation, as Commander in Chief, that killed Osama bin Laden. It's somewhat funny, because we all know if the mission was a failure, the right wing would say the president was responsible for the whole thing. But now that the mission was a success, he doesn't deserve any credit. The right can't have it both ways. But more importantly, they can't run away from Mitt Romney."


Yes we do know that if the op crashed in the desert that the cons wouldhave blamed the whole thing on the President...

Th boo-hooing of the successful operation and pretending that the President wasn`t responsible by our republicans is evidence of either profound naivate or just plain willful ignorance..

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