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RE: Somewhere over the gaybow... - 11/4/2013 7:44:09 PM   
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OK, so this has bothered me for a while.

I am straight and I like musicals. One of my favorites is "The Wizard of Oz." I don't know whether it's the media or the gay overlords. One way or another liking that musical has become a signal for being gay. For G-ds sake why?!

Listen folks, you have not lived until you've heard Nathan Lane on Broadway. He's a brilliant performer. So why do musicals have the stigma of being gay? In particular why does The Wizard of Oz have that?

So I am going to say it flat out: I am straight and I like the movie with the munchkins in it. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.


I'm straight, and I liked "The Wizard of Oz," but to be honest, I never associated it with being gay. I don't understand why there's any stigma attached to it. MasterCaneman's explanation makes sense, although that doesn't explain why those who merely like musicals would be a signal for being gay.

I guess I'm kind of neutral on musicals overall. In some ways, I find them kind of silly that they break into song and dance routines at odd times during the production. I would sometimes imagine what it would be like if people did that in real life situations.

Like if you're in a restaurant and someone at the next table starts singing and dancing, and then everyone else in the restaurant joins in. It would certainly be a happy world, and "happy" is another word for "gay."

So, maybe it just means that people who like musicals are happy.



I would imagine if you liked something, you'd do better when working in it, but I can't say for sure. How many Star Wars or Star Trek fans would jump at a chance to work on something in those areas? As for people in the greasy spoon I frequent suddenly bursting out in song to to accompaniment of a full orchestra would be a bit unsettling to me.

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RE: Somewhere over the gaybow... - 11/4/2013 7:55:06 PM   
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Actually, adding this to real life would make it much more enjoyable.

I'm trying to remember which revival of Porgy and Bess I saw, many years ago. Despite the fact we all knew the story, when he leaves to follow Bess there wasn't a dry eye in the house.

Or Dreamgirls.

Or Sweeney Todd. Both very different and very powerful.

A good musical is more than just a story or a song or a dance, it sweeps you up into an incredible emotional response.

Perhaps this is why gay men respond to them more than straight. Because many straight men still subscribe to the stiff upper lip, stoic attitudes. And musicals are anything but stoical.

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RE: Somewhere over the gaybow... - 11/4/2013 8:50:05 PM   
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RE: Somewhere over the gaybow... - 11/4/2013 9:05:28 PM   
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RE: Somewhere over the gaybow... - 11/4/2013 9:37:30 PM   
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The rainbow flag does NOT derive from the song "Over the Rainbow" but rather (as we learn from from wikipedia)
The flag [originally] consisted of eight stripes; Baker [the designer] assigned specific meaning to each of the colors:
hot pink: sexuality
red: life
orange: healing
yellow: sunlight
green: nature
turquoise: magic/art
indigo blue: serenity/harmony
violet: spirit

[Hot pink was removed since the fabric difficult to find. The turquoise and indigo were combined into royal blue to make an even number of colors so that the then middle color of green was not obscured by light posts when hung vertically.]

Back to the subject of OP:
Dorothy's line is probably the best clue: "Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore." (The parallel between the farm-boy leaving Kansas for the big city - as pointed out above - could hardly be more obvious.)

Once in Oz remember that she makes friends with three males, like any good fag hag would. LOL!

I remember that my father - who I suspect was gay and who hated television - made sure that he saw the Judy Garland special. Why? I'm not sure: I just know that she was an icon for him.

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As to enjoying something that gays enjoy, think Birthday cake. You could have had a piece of my special cake and enjoyed it right along with the gay men at my party. (Chinese 5-spice carrot cake with cream cheese frosting, all from scratch) Bastards put ALL 63 candles on the cake and the regular jokes ensued...



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RE: Somewhere over the gaybow... - 11/5/2013 7:09:05 AM   
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RE: Somewhere over the gaybow... - 11/5/2013 7:44:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks. Now I have the image of racers and pit crews suddenly bursting out into a song-and-dance routine.

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RE: Somewhere over the gaybow... - 11/5/2013 9:42:55 AM   
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Thanks. Now I have the image of racers and pit crews suddenly bursting out into a song-and-dance routine.

With a huge crowd of bare-titted women applauding?

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RE: Somewhere over the gaybow... - 11/5/2013 10:03:31 AM   
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Thanks. Now I have the image of racers and pit crews suddenly bursting out into a song-and-dance routine.

With a huge crowd of bare-titted women applauding?


I have known dancers, more than one. They would have absolutely
assured you that the carefully choreographed synchronized motions of
a pit crew are a dance.

Even if the crew members don't realize it or think of it that way.

The crowd would be a nice bonus.

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RE: Somewhere over the gaybow... - 11/5/2013 5:27:03 PM   
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OK, so this has bothered me for a while.

I am straight and I like musicals. One of my favorites is "The Wizard of Oz." I don't know whether it's the media or the gay overlords. One way or another liking that musical has become a signal for being gay. For G-ds sake why?!

Listen folks, you have not lived until you've heard Nathan Lane on Broadway. He's a brilliant performer. So why do musicals have the stigma of being gay? In particular why does The Wizard of Oz have that?

So I am going to say it flat out: I am straight and I like the movie with the munchkins in it. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.


Naw.....you're totally gay....sorry....

(Hey...I don't write the rules here)....

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RE: Somewhere over the gaybow... - 11/5/2013 5:29:35 PM   
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Musicals are wonderful. I've seen quite a few and love them.
Just bc you love musicals doesn't make you gay.
To me it says you....like musicals. Lol




Not all musicals are wonderful. "West Side Story" springs to mind. I really despise that one.


Okay...you could just be partially gay.

Incrementally.....

What are your thoughts on "Grease"?

(Be honest now).

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RE: Somewhere over the gaybow... - 11/6/2013 1:34:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lance, as always, your post was informative and interesting.

It's not that I don't like things just because gay men like them. I am just annoyed with the social stigma attached to musicals and the apparent theft of the genre by certain gay men.

It is unseemly in this day and age for a completely non-sexual form of art to be subsumed into a subculture. And as far as Dorothy's line, "I don't think we're in Kansas anymore." It actually refers to the fact that she was confused and just realizing that she was not, in fact, in Kansas anymore. It means no more nor no less than that. It's a children's show after all.

I guess my main point is that I dislike the politizing and polarization of these things.

You know what? I am a straight man who likes musicals, loathes televised sports (unless I've got money on the game) and likes to hunt. I know gay men who like to hunt, like televised sports and can't stand musicals. There is a false correlation running through our society that equates these things with sexual preference. It is a poor method of trying to apply statistics. I guess what I really don't like are people who are bad at math.

*Gets down off the soap box*

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RE: Somewhere over the gaybow... - 11/6/2013 1:43:39 AM   
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........... The expression friend of Dorothy's is
slang for being gay.........



I thought it was a "friend of Nancy's" hence the term "Nancy boys".

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RE: Somewhere over the gaybow... - 11/6/2013 2:16:04 AM   
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I can tell you that there's a huge difference between German opera and Italian opera (and that the Irish live an opera).

My maternal grandfather was a fairly accomplished pianist. All of his children were required to take up an instrument for at least two years in school.

Grandpa loved opera and old standards (Think "Sippin' Cider Through A Straw" amongst others).

Mom and dad were enhtralled with musicals, especially Rogers and Hammerstein. I grew up, being able to play the melodies from "South Pacific" or "Oklahoma" on the piano.

My all-time favorite musical is "Guys & Dolls" but I rarely miss an opportunity to listen to a good Gilbert and Sullivan ("Pinafore" being my favorite).

I also grew up (born in 1964) in a place and a time where homosexuals were really starting to assert themselves in NYC so there was some general "blow-back" from that but I don't think that anyone that is an adult places much credence in the argument that a fan of musicals must be gay.

"Wizard of Oz"? I never miss it! However, I have to be honest I am not a fan of Judy Garland. I like the movie in spite of her.

I have friends that have told me that Garland, Minelli, Midler et al. have become gay icons not only because of the pre-occupation that some gay males have with the female form but because these were people who did a lot of performing back in the day in largely gay areas and weren't douche-canoes toward their audience.

When my band was paying our dues, we did plenty of gigs in some of the (what some might consider) strangest places for a heavy metal band to be playing ("Packie's Pub" on Christopher Street jumps to mind immediately). I was the "Belle of the ball" in quite a few of these places because I had no issue with hanging out with people and dancing with the clientel between sets (well, mostly before we started to be really honest but between sets happened).

I played high school and semi-pro football and baseball. I played two years of rugby (league) when I got out of the army.

I'll drink Chambord or a white zinfendel before I'll think about a beer and I sing "Music Of the Night" in the shower.

I've never wanted to have sex with a man.

Thank you for letting me borrow the soap box, Malcolm.



ETA: I forgot to mention: I was a huge fan of Elvis. Was there a more flamboyant straight man (I've never heard any rumors about him being gay)? Rob Halford was also an idol of mine, growing up.





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RE: Somewhere over the gaybow... - 11/6/2013 5:07:22 PM   
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Thanks. Now I have the image of racers and pit crews suddenly bursting out into a song-and-dance routine.

With a huge crowd of bare-titted women applauding?


I have known dancers, more than one. They would have absolutely
assured you that the carefully choreographed synchronized motions of
a pit crew are a dance.

Even if the crew members don't realize it or think of it that way.

The crowd would be a nice bonus.

I would tend to agree with you on the choreography in what a pit crew does. And in a loud environment, with flammable liquids, large objects moving at high speeds and heavy things moving up and down. Coming up: NASCAR, The Musical!

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RE: Somewhere over the gaybow... - 11/6/2013 8:18:02 PM   
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Thanks. Now I have the image of racers and pit crews suddenly bursting out into a song-and-dance routine.

With a huge crowd of bare-titted women applauding?


I have known dancers, more than one. They would have absolutely
assured you that the carefully choreographed synchronized motions of
a pit crew are a dance.

Even if the crew members don't realize it or think of it that way.

The crowd would be a nice bonus.

I would tend to agree with you on the choreography in what a pit crew does. And in a loud environment, with flammable liquids, large objects moving at high speeds and heavy things moving up and down. Coming up: NASCAR, The Musical!


This reminded me of a movie forum I used to frequent when someone started a thread "What if The Godfather was made into a musical?" That led to a bunch of posts with silly parody lyrics sung to the tunes of popular songs. I guess it could be done with any movie.

However, thinking on that, aside from comedic parody, certain genres or types of movies just don't seem to really work or fit in with musicals. Musicals in general seem to have storylines which tend to be light-hearted and somewhat "tame" compared to the more action-packed or intense thrillers which wouldn't really work as musicals (although they might still have pretty good music on the soundtrack just the same).

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RE: Somewhere over the gaybow... - 11/6/2013 9:45:18 PM   
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Thanks. Now I have the image of racers and pit crews suddenly bursting out into a song-and-dance routine.

With a huge crowd of bare-titted women applauding?


I have known dancers, more than one. They would have absolutely
assured you that the carefully choreographed synchronized motions of
a pit crew are a dance.

Even if the crew members don't realize it or think of it that way.

The crowd would be a nice bonus.

I would tend to agree with you on the choreography in what a pit crew does. And in a loud environment, with flammable liquids, large objects moving at high speeds and heavy things moving up and down. Coming up: NASCAR, The Musical!


This reminded me of a movie forum I used to frequent when someone started a thread "What if The Godfather was made into a musical?" That led to a bunch of posts with silly parody lyrics sung to the tunes of popular songs. I guess it could be done with any movie.

However, thinking on that, aside from comedic parody, certain genres or types of movies just don't seem to really work or fit in with musicals. Musicals in general seem to have storylines which tend to be light-hearted and somewhat "tame" compared to the more action-packed or intense thrillers which wouldn't really work as musicals (although they might still have pretty good music on the soundtrack just the same).


So, I guess that means Apocalypse Now: The Musical isn't hitting Broadway anytime soon?
Seriously, though. You're right, there are certain films and stories that just won't work in that genre. But, after a few moment's of thought, The Ballad of Ricky Bobby could possibly work along those lines, if you think about it. I only watched a little bit of that flick, but what I saw falls under the "light-hearted" descriptor. And there's race cars and pit girls too. Always a plus in my book.

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RE: Somewhere over the gaybow... - 11/6/2013 11:42:53 PM   
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This reminded me of a movie forum I used to frequent when someone started a thread "What if The Godfather was made into a musical?" That led to a bunch of posts with silly parody lyrics sung to the tunes of popular songs. I guess it could be done with any movie.

However, thinking on that, aside from comedic parody, certain genres or types of movies just don't seem to really work or fit in with musicals. Musicals in general seem to have storylines which tend to be light-hearted and somewhat "tame" compared to the more action-packed or intense thrillers which wouldn't really work as musicals (although they might still have pretty good music on the soundtrack just the same).



Back in the 70s, MAD Magazine did just that. I believe their version was: "The Oddfather" but, I could be wrong and I doubt it's anywhere on the interwebz, today.





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RE: Somewhere over the gaybow... - 11/7/2013 5:56:05 AM   
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This reminded me of a movie forum I used to frequent when someone started a thread "What if The Godfather was made into a musical?" That led to a bunch of posts with silly parody lyrics sung to the tunes of popular songs. I guess it could be done with any movie.

However, thinking on that, aside from comedic parody, certain genres or types of movies just don't seem to really work or fit in with musicals. Musicals in general seem to have storylines which tend to be light-hearted and somewhat "tame" compared to the more action-packed or intense thrillers which wouldn't really work as musicals (although they might still have pretty good music on the soundtrack just the same).


So, I guess that means Apocalypse Now: The Musical isn't hitting Broadway anytime soon?
Seriously, though. You're right, there are certain films and stories that just won't work in that genre. But, after a few moment's of thought, The Ballad of Ricky Bobby could possibly work along those lines, if you think about it. I only watched a little bit of that flick, but what I saw falls under the "light-hearted" descriptor. And there's race cars and pit girls too. Always a plus in my book.


I was thinking of what The Terminator or Alien might be like as musicals.

But if it's a light-hearted comedy or something like that, it might work.



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Back in the 70s, MAD Magazine did just that. I believe their version was: "The Oddfather" but, I could be wrong and I doubt it's anywhere on the interwebz, today.



Now that you mention it, I seem to vaguely recall that.

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RE: Somewhere over the gaybow... - 11/7/2013 6:27:32 AM   
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