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That to the Union of the States this nation owes its unprecedented increase in population; its surprising development of material resources; its rapid augmentation of wealth; its happiness at home and its honor abroad; and we hold in abhorrence all schemes for disunion, come from whatever source they may; and we congratulate the country that no republican member of congress has uttered or countenanced the threats of disunion so often made by democratic members, without rebuke and with applause from their political associates; and we denounce those threats of disunion, in case of a popular overthrow of their ascendancy, as denying the vital principles of a free government, and as an avowal of contemplated treason, which it is the imperative duty of an indignant people sternly to rebuke and forever silence.

That while providing revenue for the support of the general government by duties upon imports, sound policy requires such an adjustment of these imposts as to encourage the development of the industrial interests of the whole country, and we commend that policy of national exchanges which secures to the workingmen liberal wages, to agriculture remunerating prices, to mechanics and manufacturers an adequate reward for their skill, labor and enterprise, and to the nation commercial prosperity and independence.

That the Republican Party is opposed to any change in our naturalization laws, or any state legislation by which the rights of citizenship hitherto accorded by emigrants from foreign lands shall be abridged or impaired; and in favor of giving a full and efficient protection to the rights of all classes of citizens, whether native or naturalized, both at home and abroad.

Oh, thats enough, they ain't doing shit....

Nice quoting Where did ya get that? Rand Paul?

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Many see the Tea Party as a way to bring the GOP back to the traditional party planks of the Republican Party.

You don't really believe that right?
Would Teddy Roosevelt support the tea party? Would Eisenhower? Taft? Can you name any major Republican ever who simply refused to compromise on anything with the Democrats? Can you name any major Republican ever who demanded ideological purity from other Republicans on every single thing?

LMAO! The test of whether or not the Tea Party is trying to bring the GOP back to it's traditional roots is whether or not they'll compromise? Whether or not they wanted (demanded is a bit strong, dontcha think? It's not like can actually force fellow GOP lawmakers into voting their way) ideological purity?
That's laughable at the very least, Ken.

Show me the progressive tea partiers then? Traditionally the Republicans had a strong progressive wing.
There is literally nothing of the traditional center right Republican party in the tea party nuts. They are the ideological descendants of the Birchers and the CCC. Just look at the birther stuff. There's nothing rational or moderate about it. It's conspiracy theory and blatant racism blended into a toxic soup.

Was every Republican a progressive? Was every Republican subset progressive? Why demand that the Tea Party contain progressives? I do think, however, that Palin was a progressive Tea Party person. Hell, she even claimed that her and McCain were Tea Party members. How's that for progressive?

Your claims are full of shit, too, btw. The Tea Party is all about conspiracy theory, nor is it blatant racism.

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Any proof that the Tea Party is more loyal to Corporate America than to lowering the deficit?

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What do you think the average Tea Party minded person does on a daily basis, DS? RIDICULE OTHERS. Just because you have not been on the receiving end of it, doesn't mean its not happening. How often do we have Tea Partiers on this very forum attacking the President over petty things? Every Day!

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I can accept there are people that displace President Obama and his policies.....BUT.....remain respective of the office and the nation when referring to him. How many times within the last three years alone, have we seen conservatives bash the President with 'junior high school insults and rants'? I believe the moderators could chime in here and tell....JUST HOW MANY TIMES....they have had to delete those sort of posts on the grounds it was out of line. Just because you have not seen those posts, does not mean they were never made. I've seen plenty of them over the last few years.

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The GOP has no one to blame but themselves for creating the Tea Party. The longer the GOP keeps the Tea Party, 'under its wing', the more damage the Tea Party will do to the GOP. Maybe the Tea Party should become its own party, and prove to America they aren't totally full of crap. They wont do it, because its so much fun in their psychotic minds, destroying the United States anyway they can. The only group of people in America, that jumped for joy at the shutdown was the Tea Party. And because of that, many, upon many Americans will REMEMBER that when they go to the polls for 2014 and 2016.

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The GOP didn't create the Tea Party, no matter how many times those on the left utter it. Do you not remember how many incumbent R's lost their primaries to the Tea Party challengers? It wasn't that the GOP wanted the incumbents ousted, that's for sure.

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The Tea Party may have at one time been for a collection of half decent principles and ideas. But the Tea Party of today is filled with the mean, hateful, anti-America types. They enjoy their fellow Americans suffering, and do anything and everything to undermine any sort of real help to those citizens. Basically, they are borderline traitors in my book. They attacked Gov. Christie when Hurricane Sandy hit New Jersey last year in every way. The guy was trying to help his fellow citizens out regardless of political affiliation. And if that mean getting help from the Federal Government and the President....that is what is done (i.e. swallow the pride and do the job). That is what any non-psychotic person would do, right? The Tea Party was against it.

You are letting the lefty talking heads write your posts for you, Joether. You don't have to agree with their beliefs, just like no one has to agree with yours. If you can't see that you're doing the same thing you came out against two paragraphs ago, well, look again.


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Too many times. It happens too many times in the physical world and too many times here in the cyber world. It's happened for a long, long time, too. I'm sure Reagan and Bush 41 had theirs (there are some here that still do that). Clinton, too. Bush 43's 8 years were pretty much wall-to-wall rantings and foaming at the mouth (won't comment as to what it was like here, as I wasn't here). The President of the US is a damn powerful job, and carries with it, a virtual target for rantings and ravings.

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Too many times. It happens too many times in the physical world and too many times here in the cyber world. It's happened for a long, long time, too. I'm sure Reagan and Bush 41 had theirs (there are some here that still do that). Clinton, too. Bush 43's 8 years were pretty much wall-to-wall rantings and foaming at the mouth (won't comment as to what it was like here, as I wasn't here). The President of the US is a damn powerful job, and carries with it, a virtual target for rantings and ravings.

I was here for a good chunk of those 8 terrible years and while the left's dislike of W was not hidden leftists were routinely called traitors, communists, terrorism supporters and pretty much anything else certain right wingers could get away with (which was a lot since Mod XI was a right winger who simply started banning leftists who stood up to their crap).
To be blunt the right now reaps what they sowed. They encouraged the conspiracy nuts and they attacked the left leaving themselves no where to stand.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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Too many times. It happens too many times in the physical world and too many times here in the cyber world. It's happened for a long, long time, too. I'm sure Reagan and Bush 41 had theirs (there are some here that still do that). Clinton, too. Bush 43's 8 years were pretty much wall-to-wall rantings and foaming at the mouth (won't comment as to what it was like here, as I wasn't here). The President of the US is a damn powerful job, and carries with it, a virtual target for rantings and ravings.

I was here for a good chunk of those 8 terrible years and while the left's dislike of W was not hidden leftists were routinely called traitors, communists, terrorism supporters and pretty much anything else certain right wingers could get away with (which was a lot since Mod XI was a right winger who simply started banning leftists who stood up to their crap).
To be blunt the right now reaps what they sowed. They encouraged the conspiracy nuts and they attacked the left leaving themselves no where to stand.

So much for taking the high road.

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Too many times. It happens too many times in the physical world and too many times here in the cyber world. It's happened for a long, long time, too. I'm sure Reagan and Bush 41 had theirs (there are some here that still do that). Clinton, too. Bush 43's 8 years were pretty much wall-to-wall rantings and foaming at the mouth (won't comment as to what it was like here, as I wasn't here). The President of the US is a damn powerful job, and carries with it, a virtual target for rantings and ravings.

I was here for a good chunk of those 8 terrible years and while the left's dislike of W was not hidden leftists were routinely called traitors, communists, terrorism supporters and pretty much anything else certain right wingers could get away with (which was a lot since Mod XI was a right winger who simply started banning leftists who stood up to their crap).
To be blunt the right now reaps what they sowed. They encouraged the conspiracy nuts and they attacked the left leaving themselves no where to stand.

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That to the Union of the States this nation owes its unprecedented increase in population; its surprising development of material resources; its rapid augmentation of wealth; its happiness at home and its honor abroad; and we hold in abhorrence all schemes for disunion, come from whatever source they may; and we congratulate the country that no republican member of congress has uttered or countenanced the threats of disunion so often made by democratic members, without rebuke and with applause from their political associates; and we denounce those threats of disunion, in case of a popular overthrow of their ascendancy, as denying the vital principles of a free government, and as an avowal of contemplated treason, which it is the imperative duty of an indignant people sternly to rebuke and forever silence.

That while providing revenue for the support of the general government by duties upon imports, sound policy requires such an adjustment of these imposts as to encourage the development of the industrial interests of the whole country, and we commend that policy of national exchanges which secures to the workingmen liberal wages, to agriculture remunerating prices, to mechanics and manufacturers an adequate reward for their skill, labor and enterprise, and to the nation commercial prosperity and independence.

That the Republican Party is opposed to any change in our naturalization laws, or any state legislation by which the rights of citizenship hitherto accorded by emigrants from foreign lands shall be abridged or impaired; and in favor of giving a full and efficient protection to the rights of all classes of citizens, whether native or naturalized, both at home and abroad.

Oh, thats enough, they ain't doing shit....

Nice quoting Where did ya get that? Rand Paul?

The text MN refers comes from The Republican National Platform of 1860. I did just a simple goggle search of "That to the Union of the States this nation owes its unprecedented increase in population...". When you cant even answer a simple question as 'where did it come from', I have to seriously doubt your ability to handle complex of complicated subject matter.

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Every self-described Tea Party supporter I've come in contact with has worked on a daily basis (that doesn't mean they work 7 days a week, but you should see the point). Wait, I take that back. That's not true. The vast majority of Tea Party supporters I've come in contact with worked on a daily basis. The rest had retired from working on a daily basis.

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Too many times. It happens too many times in the physical world and too many times here in the cyber world. It's happened for a long, long time, too. I'm sure Reagan and Bush 41 had theirs (there are some here that still do that). Clinton, too. Bush 43's 8 years were pretty much wall-to-wall rantings and foaming at the mouth (won't comment as to what it was like here, as I wasn't here). The President of the US is a damn powerful job, and carries with it, a virtual target for rantings and ravings.

I was here for a good chunk of those 8 terrible years and while the left's dislike of W was not hidden leftists were routinely called traitors, communists, terrorism supporters and pretty much anything else certain right wingers could get away with (which was a lot since Mod XI was a right winger who simply started banning leftists who stood up to their crap).
To be blunt the right now reaps what they sowed. They encouraged the conspiracy nuts and they attacked the left leaving themselves no where to stand.

So much for taking the high road.

The American left tried that. We got called traitors and communists. We had cons actually talking about deporting us. So now we hit back. If that bothers you make your side stop trying to get rid of us or portray us as un-American.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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Too many times. It happens too many times in the physical world and too many times here in the cyber world. It's happened for a long, long time, too. I'm sure Reagan and Bush 41 had theirs (there are some here that still do that). Clinton, too. Bush 43's 8 years were pretty much wall-to-wall rantings and foaming at the mouth (won't comment as to what it was like here, as I wasn't here). The President of the US is a damn powerful job, and carries with it, a virtual target for rantings and ravings.

I was here for a good chunk of those 8 terrible years and while the left's dislike of W was not hidden leftists were routinely called traitors, communists, terrorism supporters and pretty much anything else certain right wingers could get away with (which was a lot since Mod XI was a right winger who simply started banning leftists who stood up to their crap).
To be blunt the right now reaps what they sowed. They encouraged the conspiracy nuts and they attacked the left leaving themselves no where to stand.

So much for taking the high road.

The American left tried that. We got called traitors and communists. We had cons actually talking about deporting us. So now we hit back. If that bothers you make your side stop trying to get rid of us or portray us as un-American.

I'm going to assume your last statement wasn't using "you" in the personal, but in the general form.

When did the American left try it?

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Too many times. It happens too many times in the physical world and too many times here in the cyber world. It's happened for a long, long time, too. I'm sure Reagan and Bush 41 had theirs (there are some here that still do that). Clinton, too. Bush 43's 8 years were pretty much wall-to-wall rantings and foaming at the mouth (won't comment as to what it was like here, as I wasn't here). The President of the US is a damn powerful job, and carries with it, a virtual target for rantings and ravings.

I was here for a good chunk of those 8 terrible years and while the left's dislike of W was not hidden leftists were routinely called traitors, communists, terrorism supporters and pretty much anything else certain right wingers could get away with (which was a lot since Mod XI was a right winger who simply started banning leftists who stood up to their crap).
To be blunt the right now reaps what they sowed. They encouraged the conspiracy nuts and they attacked the left leaving themselves no where to stand.

That's pretty funny, right there since XI is somewhere left of Obummer.

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So much for taking the high road.

The American left tried that. We got called traitors and communists. We had cons actually talking about deporting us. So now we hit back. If that bothers you make your side stop trying to get rid of us or portray us as un-American.

I'm going to assume your last statement wasn't using "you" in the personal, but in the general form.
When did the American left try it?

before 1992 and sporadically since.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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DS, If the argument in the OP is valid, and the tea party folks are being rejected by a majority of the electorate, then how do you see those folks reacting to that rejection, to being frozen out of office and power?
If the tea party movement is rejected by the GOP as it charts a more pragmatic approach, how will the tea party people react?
My suspicion is that most of them will accept their defeat with varying amounts of grace, but that sizeable numbers may resort to more extreme measures. The US has already seen some rather ugly acts committed by Right wing extremists - do you see more of this happening ?

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• Personal Responsibility
  
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• Limited Government
  
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So much for taking the high road.

The American left tried that. We got called traitors and communists. We had cons actually talking about deporting us. So now we hit back. If that bothers you make your side stop trying to get rid of us or portray us as un-American.

I'm going to assume your last statement wasn't using "you" in the personal, but in the general form.
When did the American left try it?

before 1992 and sporadically since.

It wasn't done during W's Administration, and, in case you've forgotten, the biggest retort from lefties is that people who oppose Obama's policies are racists. So, it doesn't look like they are doing it during O's Administration, either. It ain't happening, Ken.

And, just to prevent a deflection, it isn't okay when the GOP does it, either. And, it isn't okay that the GOP did it, has done it, or is doing it.