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Banned from School Grounds for a legal activity... - 11/8/2013 8:43:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Army veteran Mom not allowed on school grounds because of a Facebook pic of her Concealed Carry permit.

Part of me hopes there's more to this story than that she was simply banned because of the pic. But, another part of me hopes that there isn't any other reason (ie. that the woman is an actual danger to the kids).

I look forward to seeing how this all shakes out. I don't know that we've heard the entire story yet.

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RE: Banned from School Grounds for a legal activity... - 11/8/2013 9:05:24 AM   
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I also think it's ironic that people want concealed carry in schools for teachers to shoot up the next unbalanced person, but this Mom is banned.

A school official said she had caused problems in the past. If he's listening to his gut, I have no problem with the ban.


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RE: Banned from School Grounds for a legal activity... - 11/8/2013 9:38:38 AM   
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I also think it's ironic that people want concealed carry in schools for teachers to shoot up the next unbalanced person, but this Mom is banned.

A school official said she had caused problems in the past. If he's listening to his gut, I have no problem with the ban.



Depends on what she calls problems.
I might have been considered as causing problems because I questioned a teacher about why my son's math and reading skills both deteriorated substantially during the first six weeks of school.
My sister would have been considered a trouble maker because she objected strenuously when her daughter was attacked by another girl at school and was given a longer suspension for defending herself than the other girl got for attacking her.
Excuse :  fighting back showed a lack of control which was worse than the attack. 

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RE: Banned from School Grounds for a legal activity... - 11/8/2013 9:42:56 AM   
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I don't know that we've heard the entire story yet.

I'm betting we have.

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RE: Banned from School Grounds for a legal activity... - 11/8/2013 9:44:56 AM   
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Army veteran Mom not allowed on school grounds because of a Facebook pic of her Concealed Carry permit.

Part of me hopes there's more to this story than that she was simply banned because of the pic. But, another part of me hopes that there isn't any other reason (ie. that the woman is an actual danger to the kids).

I look forward to seeing how this all shakes out. I don't know that we've heard the entire story yet.


One thing, it's public property. She or anyone else have a right to be there.

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RE: Banned from School Grounds for a legal activity... - 11/8/2013 9:51:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		The police officers that park at my grandson's skill before and after the school day know I have a concealed carry permit, when I pick up Tommy, I put the weapon in the console and lock it.

But this is Texas. According to Family Guy, this is the state where you buy a bottle of Jack and get a free gun...

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RE: Banned from School Grounds for a legal activity... - 11/8/2013 9:56:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

Army veteran Mom not allowed on school grounds because of a Facebook pic of her Concealed Carry permit.

Part of me hopes there's more to this story than that she was simply banned because of the pic. But, another part of me hopes that there isn't any other reason (ie. that the woman is an actual danger to the kids).

I look forward to seeing how this all shakes out. I don't know that we've heard the entire story yet.

well gee, McDs, Starbucks and other businesses, govt buildings etc don't allow weapons on their property so why should this school be any different? they have the right to do that, especially since its concealed.. imo its not the "mom" that's banned, its her weapon that is.. they don't want to take the chance she will come on the property with it.. not to mention, it also gives kids the chance to grab it (depending on how she carries it) and all hell break loose.. not to mention the school's liability.. now what would happen if a kid did somehow get ahold of it from her and someone got hurt, wouldn't everyone be blaming the school for not acting to prevent her from being on the property? really, the school cant win either way.. and perhaps it was another parent (who is anti-gun on school grounds) that alerted the school to this issue.. again, if that is what happened, the school likely turned it over to their lawyers and insurance company and were advised to take this action..

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RE: Banned from School Grounds for a legal activity... - 11/8/2013 10:02:40 AM   
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Army veteran Mom not allowed on school grounds because of a Facebook pic of her Concealed Carry permit.

Part of me hopes there's more to this story than that she was simply banned because of the pic. But, another part of me hopes that there isn't any other reason (ie. that the woman is an actual danger to the kids).

I look forward to seeing how this all shakes out. I don't know that we've heard the entire story yet.

well gee, McDs, Starbucks and other businesses, govt buildings etc don't allow weapons on their property so why should this school be any different? they have the right to do that, especially since its concealed.. imo its not the "mom" that's banned, its her weapon that is.. they don't want to take the chance she will come on the property with it.. not to mention, it also gives kids the chance to grab it (depending on how she carries it) and all hell break loose.. not to mention the school's liability.. now what would happen if a kid did somehow get ahold of it from her and someone got hurt, wouldn't everyone be blaming the school for not acting to prevent her from being on the property? really, the school cant win either way.. and perhaps it was another parent (who is anti-gun on school grounds) that alerted the school to this issue.. again, if that is what happened, the school likely turned it over to their lawyers and insurance company and were advised to take this action..

They didn't ban her for carrying a gun on campus but for having a permit and being a veteran.
They asked her about those to things but not if she was carrying.

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RE: Banned from School Grounds for a legal activity... - 11/8/2013 10:08:08 AM   
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Army veteran Mom not allowed on school grounds because of a Facebook pic of her Concealed Carry permit.

Part of me hopes there's more to this story than that she was simply banned because of the pic. But, another part of me hopes that there isn't any other reason (ie. that the woman is an actual danger to the kids).

I look forward to seeing how this all shakes out. I don't know that we've heard the entire story yet.

well gee, McDs, Starbucks and other businesses, govt buildings etc don't allow weapons on their property so why should this school be any different? they have the right to do that, especially since its concealed.. imo its not the "mom" that's banned, its her weapon that is.. they don't want to take the chance she will come on the property with it.. not to mention, it also gives kids the chance to grab it (depending on how she carries it) and all hell break loose.. not to mention the school's liability.. now what would happen if a kid did somehow get ahold of it from her and someone got hurt, wouldn't everyone be blaming the school for not acting to prevent her from being on the property? really, the school cant win either way.. and perhaps it was another parent (who is anti-gun on school grounds) that alerted the school to this issue.. again, if that is what happened, the school likely turned it over to their lawyers and insurance company and were advised to take this action..

They didn't ban her for carrying a gun on campus but for having a permit and being a veteran.
They asked her about those to things but not if she was carrying.

where do you get her being a veteran had anything to do with their decision???

if she didn't have a gun yet, the fact she has a cc license is a pretty good sign she will be getting one soon.. so cuz of that and cuz that she had been a problem before.. she has already moved her kid to another school now.. so why is she raising a stink about it now that the problem has been resolved??? (I am getting the impression the school was right about her being a problem since she is continuing to be a problem).. lucky for that school, she is that new schools problem now..

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RE: Banned from School Grounds for a legal activity... - 11/8/2013 10:13:07 AM   
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Army veteran Mom not allowed on school grounds because of a Facebook pic of her Concealed Carry permit.
Part of me hopes there's more to this story than that she was simply banned because of the pic. But, another part of me hopes that there isn't any other reason (ie. that the woman is an actual danger to the kids).
I look forward to seeing how this all shakes out. I don't know that we've heard the entire story yet.

well gee, McDs, Starbucks and other businesses, govt buildings etc don't allow weapons on their property so why should this school be any different? they have the right to do that, especially since its concealed.. imo its not the "mom" that's banned, its her weapon that is.. they don't want to take the chance she will come on the property with it.. not to mention, it also gives kids the chance to grab it (depending on how she carries it) and all hell break loose.. not to mention the school's liability.. now what would happen if a kid did somehow get ahold of it from her and someone got hurt, wouldn't everyone be blaming the school for not acting to prevent her from being on the property? really, the school cant win either way.. and perhaps it was another parent (who is anti-gun on school grounds) that alerted the school to this issue.. again, if that is what happened, the school likely turned it over to their lawyers and insurance company and were advised to take this action..


There may be more to the story, TJ, which is why I'm looking forward to seeing how this all shakes out.

Concealed Carry Permit or not, guns are banned on school grounds. The story doesn't mention proof of her violating the gun-free zone at the school, nor does it mention her having any intent to do so.

Starbucks, McD's and other government buildings don't prevent people from entering based on their owning a gun, owning a conceal carry permit, or both. According to the article, she was banned because she has got a concealed carry permit, and posted a pic of it on her personal facebook account.

Did the school ban all parents who have a concealed carry permit from that school's property?

I can see them banning her if she brought her gun to the school (unless it was under methodology like Jeff uses), but the article doesn't state that this happened. I restate that I don't think we have heard the entire story yet.


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RE: Banned from School Grounds for a legal activity... - 11/8/2013 10:17:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		well, posting like that on facebook and whatnot, she walks near the school,  clear and present danger, we know that.  Hopefully the Principal shoots her, its clearly stand your ground.

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RE: Banned from School Grounds for a legal activity... - 11/8/2013 10:20:15 AM   
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There may be more to the story, TJ, which is why I'm looking forward to seeing how this all shakes out.

Concealed Carry Permit or not, guns are banned on school grounds. The story doesn't mention proof of her violating the gun-free zone at the school, nor does it mention her having any intent to do so.

Starbucks, McD's and other government buildings don't prevent people from entering based on their owning a gun, owning a conceal carry permit, or both. According to the article, she was banned because she has got a concealed carry permit, and posted a pic of it on her personal facebook account.

Did the school ban all parents who have a concealed carry permit from that school's property?

I can see them banning her if she brought her gun to the school (unless it was under methodology like Jeff uses), but the article doesn't state that this happened. I restate that I don't think we have heard the entire story yet.


the article says the school said she had been a problem in the past.. that fact (?) also apparently played a part of their decision.. I expect they would rather "be safe than sorry"..

really, what kinda brains does it take to post a pic like that on FB? few people would consider that a smart move.. (no, not illegal, just a really dumb thing to do imo).. dumb people and guns don't mix well.. The school can ban whomever they want to ban.. she didn't like that decision so she pulled her kid and found a new school for her.. (I expect about now that new school is wondering what kinda problems she will be to them!)..

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RE: Banned from School Grounds for a legal activity... - 11/8/2013 10:23:08 AM   
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RE: Banned from School Grounds for a legal activity... - 11/8/2013 10:35:18 AM   
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Ya, what do the rest of you think about her posting her CC permit on FB? I think it shows lack of judgement.

I'm unclear on what lack of judgement is being expressed here. There is a legal way to obtain a CC permit. Presumably she went through that process and has such a permit legally. Is there some reason that it needs to be a secret?

To the larger issue, I can see banning guns on school grounds. I can see making STIFF penalties for people who fuck with such rules... permit or no. But I'm a lot more troubled about banning a person simply because they have the ability to conceal a handgun on their person elsewhere.


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RE: Banned from School Grounds for a legal activity... - 11/8/2013 10:38:08 AM   
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Army veteran Mom not allowed on school grounds because of a Facebook pic of her Concealed Carry permit.

Part of me hopes there's more to this story than that she was simply banned because of the pic. But, another part of me hopes that there isn't any other reason (ie. that the woman is an actual danger to the kids).

I look forward to seeing how this all shakes out. I don't know that we've heard the entire story yet.

Concealed carry does not entitle one to go anyplace they chose with a concealed weapon.
I am pretty sure one would have a problem bringing a concealed weapon into a court house or a post office...(but not the post office parking lot).

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RE: Banned from School Grounds for a legal activity... - 11/8/2013 10:42:05 AM   
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One thing, it's public property. She or anyone else have a right to be there.

She yes her gun maybe not.

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RE: Banned from School Grounds for a legal activity... - 11/8/2013 10:44:27 AM   
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I'm unclear on what lack of judgement is being expressed here. There is a legal way to obtain a CC permit. Presumably she went through that process and has such a permit legally. Is there some reason that it needs to be a secret?

The fact that she has a CC permit doesn't need to be a secret, but posting it on FaceBook seems juvenile. (As do many things on FB, so perhaps I am showing my biases.)

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But I'm a lot more troubled about banning a person simply because they have the ability to conceal a handgun on their person elsewhere.

All the articles I've read about this indicate that the picture was not the sole reason.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/06/parent-banned-weapons-permit-tanya-mount-georgia_n_4227665.html

"It is my duty and responsibility as the principal of this school to ensure the safety and security of all of our faculty, staff and students," Principal Janina Dallas told News Channel 6, adding that Mount had occasionally disrupted class in the past and was highly protective of her daughter, which raised warning flags.

http://www.wjbf.com/story/23845263/richmond-county-mom-banned-from-childs-school

Principal Dallas says several PTO members pointed out instances where Mount would disrupt classes and where Mount said she wouldn't let anybody bother her daughter

The principal says with the rash of school shootings, coupled with Mount's comments and the permit, it was cause for alarm.

She adds "there have been a number of school shootings in our country. And inevitably, people will say they saw signs and things of that nature after the fact."

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RE: Banned from School Grounds for a legal activity... - 11/8/2013 10:45:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		They didn't ban her for carrying a gun on campus but for having a permit and being a veteran.


Where did it say she was banned for being a veteran?

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RE: Banned from School Grounds for a legal activity... - 11/8/2013 10:51:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		According to the article, she was banned because she has got a concealed carry permit, and posted a pic of it on her personal facebook account.


Not true...perhaps you should go back and read the article again because that is not what it says.

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RE: Banned from School Grounds for a legal activity... - 11/8/2013 10:55:16 AM   
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The fact that she has a CC permit doesn't need to be a secret, but posting it on FaceBook seems juvenile. (As do many things on FB, so perhaps I am showing my biases.)

Man, I don't own a gun nor do I want one but I don't have this weirdity about the permit that you seem to. I could see myself posting any certificate I was proud of on my social sharing network.

As to the rest of what you've said, agreed. If it comes down to just the CC permit then I'm displeased. If it can be demonstrated that this is not discrimination against CC permit holders and/or gun owners but rather a specific and well thought out reaction on the part of the school then it was the principal doing their job.

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