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RE: Okay, the anti gun people have an ally in Maryland - 11/9/2013 9:50:32 AM

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I agree with bama, none of the links provided to prove Kendal Green was invited in to the house back up that statement.

Nobody said the shooter did not know Kendal Green.

Other witnesses at the scene stated that Kendal Green kicked the door in as well and charged Pinkerton.

As for providing links to completely unrelated incidents, as Nosathro has done, just WTF is that supposed to prove?

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RE: Okay, the anti gun people have an ally in Maryland - 11/9/2013 12:35:52 PM

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All those people who are anti gun and claim gun is not needed to protect one's home has an ally in Maryland. Assistant State’s Attorney Glen Neubauer has decided to charge Matthew Pinkerton, 34 a tech Sargent in the air force with a number of charges concerning the shooting death of Kendall Green.

Who cares? It's just another case of Americans killing Americans. Freedom is all about Americans being able to kill other Americans. Yes sirree!

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RE: Okay, the anti gun people have an ally in Maryland - 11/9/2013 9:56:32 PM

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Not the most unbiased source giving only the Pinkerton family side of things but does address both of the alleged discrepancies from the initial story.
Hope to find something with more authority.

“Why didn’t you call 911?” This is the only argument the State of Maryland has against Matthew Pinkerton. Matt is a Technical Sergeant in the U.S. Air Force. He shot and killed a home intruder by the name of Kendall Green, just before 2 a.m. on September 15, 2013 in the town of Glen Burnie, Maryland.
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As reported by the Capital Gazette:

“Pinkerton shot Green once in the chest from 10 to 15 feet away, but Green continued to advance toward him, his wife Jessica and two friends who were at the house, [Peter] O’Neill (Pinkerton’s attorney) said. That’s when Pinkerton shot him again. He died at the scene.”

The state has charged Matthew Pinkerton with 2nd Degree Murder. Their sole basis for this charge is that he should have called 911. There is no nationwide average response time for a 911 call, however unless they are faster than 1,310 ft/s, there really is no point in calling 911 in the case of a hostile home invasion. While the Assistant State’s Attorney, Glen Neubauer, maintains that he should have called 911, and that even the act of grabbing the gun in the first place is “bizarre behavior in itself,” Pinkerton’s lawyer, Peter O’Neill, said it best when he acknowledged that, “By the time 911 is called, he’s dead.”
Even the judge presiding over the case, the Honorable Judge Jonas Legum of the Maryland Circuit Court, admits that he finds it “amazing” that the probable cause statement provided to him by investigators is only a scant two pages long, with only two sentences pertaining to the shooting.
I interviewed Matthew’s brother, Michael Pinkerton, who was there the night of the shooting. In the interview, he defends his brother saying: “Matt is a family man that has no criminal record; he is a true symbol of what America stands for. He stands by his country and his family.”
When asked about that night Michael says:

“The night in question Matt feared for his safety. After closing the door on the gentleman, he [Mr. Green] chose to barge thru and enter the house. Matt told him several times to get out but he insisted to charge forward. Thus resulting in him getting shot.” He also adds that “The press is making it sound as though Mr. Green and Matt knew each other well but that was not the case.”

Since the incident, Michael says that he and his family have been harassed by the friends and family of Mr. Green several times.

“Since that night, we sit on the front porch as we always did, to enjoy our coffee and a cigar after dinner. The only difference is, now we occasionally have a drive by of friends of the guy shot yelling out ‘murderer.’” Michael added: “we are worried that once the trial begins, that if they are doing this now, what will it be like then?”

When asked if the family has any plans to relocate outside of Maryland, Michael stated that:

“Matt and Jessica are purchasing the home they live in. They have been here for 8 years. They have raised their kids in this community.” He added that ”They both are active members in the youth sports association for the area.” He also noted that “everyone has been very supportive except for the friends and family of Mr. Green.”

It seems that Mr. Green had an interest in Mr. Pinkerton’s wife. All of the evidence shows that Jessica Pinkerton was only interested in Mr. Green as a friend, but he wanted more. “When Jessica Pinkerton tried to end the relationship, Green continued to pursue it,” O’Neill stated.
Mr. Green arrived early on Sunday morning and staked out the Pinkerton residence. When he knocked on the door, Matthew retrieved his handgun, a Glock 17 9mm, and put it in his back pocket, as he was not expecting a visitor that evening.
Upon opening the door, Green identified himself and demanded to see Jessica. Matthew advised Mr. Green to leave and that he had no business being there. When Matthew shut the door to diffuse the situation, Mr. Green broke the door in.
After being warned to leave, Mr. Green was shot once as “he was motioning to his waist band flipping his shirt” and he was shot again when he continued to advance, according to Michael.

“He kept coming forward so Matt fired. He rocked backwards and took another step forward at which time Matt took his second shot. He stumbled backwards and fell out the door onto the porch.”

Michael stated that Mr. Green was wearing a hoodie that night, making it impossible to verify if he had a weapon under it or not, and that both shots hit him center mass.

“When the shots were fired Jessica called 911,” Michael continued. “Matt spoke to the operator; he removed the clip from his gun and the bullet in the chamber. Police arrived within five minutes.”

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RE: Okay, the anti gun people have an ally in Maryland - 11/9/2013 10:00:44 PM

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Trial is scheduled for Feb 11

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RE: Okay, the anti gun people have an ally in Maryland - 11/9/2013 10:06:55 PM

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From Capital Gazette

A Glen Burnie man acted in self-defense when he shot and killed another man he suspected of having an affair with his wife, his attorney said Monday.
At a bail hearing for Matthew Pinkerton, 34, attorney Peter O’Neill said the victim, Kendall Green, broke into Pinkerton’s home on Arbor Drive just before 2 a.m. Sunday after being told repeatedly to leave.

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Green, also of Glen Burnie, acted aggressively and motioned toward his waistband as if he had a weapon, O’Neill said.
Pinkerton shot Green once in the chest from 10 to 15 feet away, but Green continued to advance toward him, his wife Jessica and two friends who were at the house, O’Neill said. That’s when Pinkerton shot him again. He died at the scene.
“This is clearly self-defense,” O’Neill said.
Pinkerton was charged with second-degree murder, manslaughter and use of a firearm in a felony or violent crime.
The state argued that Pinkerton could have called 911.
District Court Judge Jonas Legum reduced Pinkerton’s bond from $1.5 million to $250,000.
Legum said he finds it “amazing” that the statement of probable cause against Pinkerton is only two pages long, and included only one sentence about whether or not Green had a weapon.
Pinkerton told police he did not see any weapons in Green’s hands, charging documents state.
Green had staked out the Pinkertons’ home before they arrived early Sunday morning, O’Neill said. When Green knocked on the door, Pinkerton retrieved a Glock 17 9mm handgun, put it in his back pocket and went to see who it was, police said. He wasn’t expecting any visitors.
When Pinkerton opened the door, he found Green on the porch, police said. Green demanded to see Jessica Pinkerton.
Matthew Pinkerton told Green to leave, but he refused and started to shout, police said.
The pair exchanged “derogatory” remarks before Pinkerton closed the front door, police said. Green continued to yell from the front porch, police said.
Pinkerton then heard his screen door being opened, police said. He headed back to the front door as Green broke through it, damaging the door frame, O’Neill said.
Pinkerton pulled his gun and ordered Green to leave, O’Neill said.
Green continued into the residence and was shot twice by Pinkerton, police said.
“He has the right to defend himself against an intruder,” O’Neill said.
Assistant State’s Attorney Glen Neubauer said Pinkerton could have called the police. When Pinkerton grabbed his gun, it was “bizarre behavior in itself,” Neubauer said.
But O’Neill said calling 911 wasn’t an option.
“By the time 911 is called, he’s dead,” O’Neill said.
Pinkerton, who is in the Air Force, suspected his wife was having an affair last year while he was on a work assignment in Korea, police said.
Pinkerton returned early from his Korea assignment and, upon entering his residence, found Green there with his wife, police said.
Jessica Pinkerton denied the allegations, police said. She would not comment on Monday.
O’Neill described the relationship between Jessica Pinkerton and Green as a “friendship.” When Jessica Pinkerton tried to end the relationship, Green continued to pursue it, O’Neill said.
Green and Matthew Pinkerton had at least one previous altercation, O’Neill said.
So far this year, there have been four homicides in the county and four more in the city of Annapolis.

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RE: Okay, the anti gun people have an ally in Maryland - 11/9/2013 10:14:00 PM

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another story from the Gazette
A Glen Burnie man was charged in the shooting death of another local man early Sunday morning in an apparent domestic dispute.
Officers responded to the 400 block of Arbor Drive in Glen Burnie just before 2 a.m. where they found 25-year-old Kendall Arnaz Green of Glen Burnie dead on the front porch.

Investigators said Green was shot by the homeowner, Matthew Martin Pinkerton, 34.
The initial investigation indicated Pinkerton and Green knew each other, and Pinkerton granted Green entrance to his home before the shooting, police said.
The motive for the shooting is still being investigated, but police said it appears to be a domestic dispute.
Green’s body was transported to the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner for an autopsy. Pinkerton is being held on $1.5 million bond.
No one answered the door at the home Monday morning.
Neighbor Clarence Woods said Pinkerton is a “real nice guy.” Woods and son Ryan, 22, saw the sheet covering the body on the porch.
Ryan heard the gunshot.
“We were shocked,” Clarence said.
Another neighbor, Heather Preston, said it’s usually a quiet neighborhood.
“Nothing like that ever happens here,” Preston said.
Anyone with information can call Anne Arundel County police at 410-222-3450 or Metro Crime Stoppers at 1-866-7LOCKUP.
So far this year, there have been four homicides in the county and four more in the city of Annapolis.

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RE: Okay, the anti gun people have an ally in Maryland - 11/9/2013 11:27:43 PM

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I agree with bama, none of the links provided to prove Kendal Green was invited in to the house back up that statement.

Nobody said the shooter did not know Kendal Green.

Other witnesses at the scene stated that Kendal Green kicked the door in as well and charged Pinkerton.

As for providing links to completely unrelated incidents, as Nosathro has done, just WTF is that supposed to prove?

Well if you want I have a news report that conducts yours as to what happen. Again as to what actually happen will perhaps become know during the trial by the witness under oath. You used this incident as an example as proof of need guns to protect oneself and home from intruders. However I show that there is a conflict in reports so if it was an home invasion that remains to be proven. My link was to show that this particular article was somewhat weak and I provided another link to show people with guns seem to think just about anyone is going to attack them, in my link a pregnant woman. The courage it must have taken a man with gun to shoot an unarmed pregnant woman. But just another law abiding gun owner exercising his right to defend himself and his 2nd Amendment rights. Oh, you live in Texas if I am correct, I am amazed at how scared you armed Texans are when 4 women meet in a public place to discuss something that you don't agree with.

http://www.eyeonannapolis.net/2013/09/15/man-murdered-on-glen-burnie-front-porch/

http://annearundel.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/man-arrested-for-homicide-after-shooting-aquaintance

http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/for_the_record/glen-burnie-man-charged-in-homicide/article_481079ce-2f02-502b-9972-4f561f79d32d.html

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-09-15/news/bs-md-ar-homicide-20130915_1_man-shot-anne-arundel-police-say-glen-burnie

http://www.baltimorenewsjournal.com/2013/09/15/man-shot-dead-in-apparent-domestic-incident-in-glen-burnie/

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RE: Okay, the anti gun people have an ally in Maryland - 11/9/2013 11:35:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I agree with bama, none of the links provided to prove Kendal Green was invited in to the house back up that statement.

Nobody said the shooter did not know Kendal Green.

Other witnesses at the scene stated that Kendal Green kicked the door in as well and charged Pinkerton.

As for providing links to completely unrelated incidents, as Nosathro has done, just WTF is that supposed to prove?

Well if you want I have a news report that conducts yours as to what happen. Again as to what actually happen will perhaps become know during the trial by the witness under oath. You used this incident as an example as proof of need guns to protect oneself and home from intruders. However I show that there is a conflict in reports so if it was an home invasion that remains to be proven. My link was to show that this particular article was somewhat weak and I provided another link to show people with guns seem to think just about anyone is going to attack them, in my link a pregnant woman. The courage it must have taken a man with gun to shoot an unarmed pregnant woman. But just another law abiding gun owner exercising his right to defend himself and his 2nd Amendment rights. Oh, you live in Texas if I am correct, I am amazed at how scared you armed Texans are when 4 women meet in a public place to discuss something that you don't agree with.

http://www.eyeonannapolis.net/2013/09/15/man-murdered-on-glen-burnie-front-porch/

http://annearundel.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/man-arrested-for-homicide-after-shooting-aquaintance

http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/for_the_record/glen-burnie-man-charged-in-homicide/article_481079ce-2f02-502b-9972-4f561f79d32d.html

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-09-15/news/bs-md-ar-homicide-20130915_1_man-shot-anne-arundel-police-say-glen-burnie

http://www.baltimorenewsjournal.com/2013/09/15/man-shot-dead-in-apparent-domestic-incident-in-glen-burnie/

Sorry you are off on another tangent, even with him forcing his way in this would not be a home invasion, it was personal.

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RE: Okay, the anti gun people have an ally in Maryland - 11/9/2013 11:45:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I agree with bama, none of the links provided to prove Kendal Green was invited in to the house back up that statement.

Nobody said the shooter did not know Kendal Green.

Other witnesses at the scene stated that Kendal Green kicked the door in as well and charged Pinkerton.

As for providing links to completely unrelated incidents, as Nosathro has done, just WTF is that supposed to prove?

Well if you want I have a news report that conducts yours as to what happen. Again as to what actually happen will perhaps become know during the trial by the witness under oath. You used this incident as an example as proof of need guns to protect oneself and home from intruders. However I show that there is a conflict in reports so if it was an home invasion that remains to be proven. My link was to show that this particular article was somewhat weak and I provided another link to show people with guns seem to think just about anyone is going to attack them, in my link a pregnant woman. The courage it must have taken a man with gun to shoot an unarmed pregnant woman. But just another law abiding gun owner exercising his right to defend himself and his 2nd Amendment rights. Oh, you live in Texas if I am correct, I am amazed at how scared you armed Texans are when 4 women meet in a public place to discuss something that you don't agree with.

http://www.eyeonannapolis.net/2013/09/15/man-murdered-on-glen-burnie-front-porch/

http://annearundel.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/man-arrested-for-homicide-after-shooting-aquaintance

http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/for_the_record/glen-burnie-man-charged-in-homicide/article_481079ce-2f02-502b-9972-4f561f79d32d.html

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-09-15/news/bs-md-ar-homicide-20130915_1_man-shot-anne-arundel-police-say-glen-burnie

http://www.baltimorenewsjournal.com/2013/09/15/man-shot-dead-in-apparent-domestic-incident-in-glen-burnie/

Sorry you are off on another tangent, even with him forcing his way in this would not be a home invasion, it was personal.

Perhaps a poor choice of words on my part, but that does not change the fact that there is a conflict in reports that the victim may have been invited in. Not kicking down the door as you and others so want to believe. I am sure that if Green did kick down the door and shoot Pinkerton and everyone else you would find some reason for Green to justify his actions.

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RE: Okay, the anti gun people have an ally in Maryland - 11/10/2013 12:02:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I agree with bama, none of the links provided to prove Kendal Green was invited in to the house back up that statement.

Nobody said the shooter did not know Kendal Green.

Other witnesses at the scene stated that Kendal Green kicked the door in as well and charged Pinkerton.

As for providing links to completely unrelated incidents, as Nosathro has done, just WTF is that supposed to prove?

Well if you want I have a news report that conducts yours as to what happen. Again as to what actually happen will perhaps become know during the trial by the witness under oath. You used this incident as an example as proof of need guns to protect oneself and home from intruders. However I show that there is a conflict in reports so if it was an home invasion that remains to be proven. My link was to show that this particular article was somewhat weak and I provided another link to show people with guns seem to think just about anyone is going to attack them, in my link a pregnant woman. The courage it must have taken a man with gun to shoot an unarmed pregnant woman. But just another law abiding gun owner exercising his right to defend himself and his 2nd Amendment rights. Oh, you live in Texas if I am correct, I am amazed at how scared you armed Texans are when 4 women meet in a public place to discuss something that you don't agree with.

http://www.eyeonannapolis.net/2013/09/15/man-murdered-on-glen-burnie-front-porch/

http://annearundel.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/man-arrested-for-homicide-after-shooting-aquaintance

http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/for_the_record/glen-burnie-man-charged-in-homicide/article_481079ce-2f02-502b-9972-4f561f79d32d.html

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-09-15/news/bs-md-ar-homicide-20130915_1_man-shot-anne-arundel-police-say-glen-burnie

http://www.baltimorenewsjournal.com/2013/09/15/man-shot-dead-in-apparent-domestic-incident-in-glen-burnie/

Sorry you are off on another tangent, even with him forcing his way in this would not be a home invasion, it was personal.

Perhaps a poor choice of words on my part, but that does not change the fact that there is a conflict in reports that the victim may have been invited in. Not kicking down the door as you and others so want to believe. I am sure that if Green did kick down the door and shoot Pinkerton and everyone else you would find some reason for Green to justify his actions.

Just when I think you can't say anything dumber you do.

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RE: Okay, the anti gun people have an ally in Maryland - 11/10/2013 4:22:46 AM

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The original article quotes Pinkerton's attorney claiming that the shooting took place when Green had broken into the house. Every other source states that Green was on the front porch when killed.

Huge difference. In Colorado, the former case wouldn't even bring charges (under the Make My Day law) and the second one would be criminal.

When a man's lawyer is lying pre-trial, I get pretty suspicious.

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RE: Okay, the anti gun people have an ally in Maryland - 11/10/2013 6:13:37 AM

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The original article quotes Pinkerton's attorney claiming that the shooting took place when Green had broken into the house. Every other source states that Green was on the front porch when killed.

Huge difference. In Colorado, the former case wouldn't even bring charges (under the Make My Day law) and the second one would be criminal.

When a man's lawyer is lying pre-trial, I get pretty suspicious.

I don't know if Maryland is a "Castle" state or not (as in..."A man's home is his castle"), but if its case law is similar to Ohio's, the porch is considered part of the home. There is typically no (or at least a lesser) duty to retreat from one's home, including the porch. So in that sense, it's pretty much irrelevant whether the guy was shot on the porch or after he'd gone through the door.

Of course (before somebody misinterprets what I'm saying, because that tends to happen when guns and death are mixed), the person claiming self-defense must still have an objectively reasonable fear of imminent death or serious bodily harm.

As for the lawyer lying pre-trial, it is possible that he was lying. It's also possible that there is a misunderstanding or a contesting of that fact.

If this happened in my county, I doubt my office would bring charges (though we would have to investigate it, obviously). Then again, in my county, you probably couldn't find a car that didn't have a gun in it (usually a hunting rifle, but...there are more than enough handguns out there, too), so it's a different culture than some places. It might be a case we present to the grand jury, and let the grand jury return a "no bill," so that we can say that the people of my county made the decision that no crime was committed, rather than leaving it up to us.

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RE: Okay, the anti gun people have an ally in Maryland - 11/10/2013 7:50:22 AM

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

According to reports state Kendall Arnaz Green was shot on the porch of the house, never broke down the door, in fact he was invited into the house.

Who said he was invited into the house?
Who's reports?

The news did. http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-09-15/news/bs-md-ar-homicide-20130915_1_man-shot-anne-arundel-police-say-glen-burnie

I looked at a number of sources, and they all said the same thing. Green was invited into the home and shot in a domestic dispute.

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RE: Okay, the anti gun people have an ally in Maryland - 11/10/2013 8:35:27 AM

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From your cite:

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found shot to death on the shooter's front porch

That offers no information as to where he was shot, much less whether he was invited into the home.

It totally fails to advance either of your assertions.

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RE: Okay, the anti gun people have an ally in Maryland - 11/10/2013 8:38:03 AM

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As to the Assistant State Prosecutor he was able to get an indictment, he was just doing his job.

Ever been on a grand jury?
I have, once, and will never do so again.
Bogus indictments are practically the rule rather than the exception

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RE: Okay, the anti gun people have an ally in Maryland - 11/10/2013 8:59:05 AM

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I agree with bama, none of the links provided to prove Kendal Green was invited in to the house back up that statement.

Nobody said the shooter did not know Kendal Green.

Other witnesses at the scene stated that Kendal Green kicked the door in as well and charged Pinkerton.

As for providing links to completely unrelated incidents, as Nosathro has done, just WTF is that supposed to prove?

Well if you want I have a news report that conducts yours as to what happen. Again as to what actually happen will perhaps become know during the trial by the witness under oath. You used this incident as an example as proof of need guns to protect oneself and home from intruders. However I show that there is a conflict in reports so if it was an home invasion that remains to be proven. My link was to show that this particular article was somewhat weak and I provided another link to show people with guns seem to think just about anyone is going to attack them, in my link a pregnant woman. The courage it must have taken a man with gun to shoot an unarmed pregnant woman. But just another law abiding gun owner exercising his right to defend himself and his 2nd Amendment rights. Oh, you live in Texas if I am correct, I am amazed at how scared you armed Texans are when 4 women meet in a public place to discuss something that you don't agree with.

http://www.eyeonannapolis.net/2013/09/15/man-murdered-on-glen-burnie-front-porch/

http://annearundel.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/man-arrested-for-homicide-after-shooting-aquaintance

http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/for_the_record/glen-burnie-man-charged-in-homicide/article_481079ce-2f02-502b-9972-4f561f79d32d.html

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-09-15/news/bs-md-ar-homicide-20130915_1_man-shot-anne-arundel-police-say-glen-burnie

http://www.baltimorenewsjournal.com/2013/09/15/man-shot-dead-in-apparent-domestic-incident-in-glen-burnie/

Sorry you are off on another tangent, even with him forcing his way in this would not be a home invasion, it was personal.

Perhaps a poor choice of words on my part, but that does not change the fact that there is a conflict in reports that the victim may have been invited in. Not kicking down the door as you and others so want to believe. I am sure that if Green did kick down the door and shoot Pinkerton and everyone else you would find some reason for Green to justify his actions.

Just when I think you can't say anything dumber you do.

You mean just like when Obama said he didn't lie about Obamacare? One lie begets another lie, begets yet another lie....

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RE: Okay, the anti gun people have an ally in Maryland - 11/10/2013 9:08:54 AM

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And Texas should complain about Maryland

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/10/21391262-2-killed-22-injured-in-wild-houston-house-party-shooting?lite=

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RE: Okay, the anti gun people have an ally in Maryland - 11/10/2013 10:17:42 AM

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"The anti gun people." Where do they sit, next to the "anti free speech people?"

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RE: Okay, the anti gun people have an ally in Maryland - 11/10/2013 3:09:05 PM

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The original article quotes Pinkerton's attorney claiming that the shooting took place when Green had broken into the house. Every other source states that Green was on the front porch when killed.

Huge difference. In Colorado, the former case wouldn't even bring charges (under the Make My Day law) and the second one would be criminal.

When a man's lawyer is lying pre-trial, I get pretty suspicious.

Please note they said Green staggered onto the porch.
This according to the only people who were there.
The DAs insistence that he should have called 911 tends to support Pinkerton's contention of a pre shooting confrontation.

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RE: Okay, the anti gun people have an ally in Maryland - 11/10/2013 4:42:25 PM

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"The anti gun people." Where do they sit, next to the "anti free speech people?"

No, they're all sitting hidden in bushes outside your house, Popeye, ready to storm it with their hammers and sickles.

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