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MariaB -> RE: -=Now y'all wannabes can "play like Grey"=- (11/12/2013 2:36:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

Am I the only one who wants to see Lynnxz and MariaB model fur stripper outfits together? OMG.



I'm game so long as its 'faux fur' and I get to be the rabbit!!




HoneyBears -> RE: -=Now y'all wannabes can "play like Grey"=- (11/12/2013 3:15:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SeekingTrinity

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

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ORIGINAL: HoneyBears
The easiest and fastest way to show you are clean is to donate blood.
Both you and your prospective partner should have or get a recent blood donation card,
preferably within the time frame of your courtship, although that is not a failsafe method.

Maybe I should respect thread drift and let this die, but as long as someone is asserting this as advice for newbies in the scene, I might as well point out that it is medically discouraged.

Mainstream medical advice is: don't use blood donation as a testing source. Any false negative will give you a false sense of security, and contaminate the blood supply. Please, first, ensure you are healthy, and only afterward donate blood.

They neglected to mention that timing of testing is also important to look at while handing out all this newbie saving advice. Id like to point out that it is recommended that a person wait 12 weeks from potential exposure to a blood borne pathogen until testing to ensure that seroconversion has taken place and antibody level in the blood is high enough to be picked up by conventional testing. By two months post-exposure, most people will have produced enough antibodies to be detected by standard tests. By three months out, 97% of people will have enough antibodies to test positive. My source: San Francisco AIDS Foundation. For the record, I am a state trained in HIV/Hep C testing and it's something I do on a routine basis.

So going out and being exposed to blood borne pathogens like HIV yesterday and then going out and donating blood next week will give that false sense of security in being negative you spoke of. I too thought this was bad advice, both for the reason you mentioned and what I brought up too.

You are both right to point this out in greater detail than our quickie better-than-nothing version.
We have always been regular blood donors and are not advocating running down at the last minute to your nearest blood drive.
(Although donating blood is always a good thing to do, if you qualify, as well noted by MasterRazz.)
So thanks for expanding upon this with your input, SeekingTrinity and RedMagic1.
Condoms have limited effectiveness; then there are always men who are unwilling to wear them and will say anything to weasel out of it.

As for the sentiment expressed about saving subs from themselves,
we have read many forum discussions which provide helpful advice to everyone of every persuasion.
Should the majority of posters here be frowned upon as a result? Most of you seem to have good intentions.
We have seen too many new lifestylers or experimentalists get badly hurt (both figuratively and literally),
not only due to their own false expectations, but largely due to more experienced (than they are) BDSMers who deliberately misrepresent themselves.
Of course, this happens in everyday vanilla dating. Nothing personal.
Besides, who could possibly keep up with such a daunting task! [:(]




MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: -=Now y'all wannabes can "play like Grey"=- (11/12/2013 3:43:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MariaB


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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

Am I the only one who wants to see Lynnxz and MariaB model fur stripper outfits together? OMG.



I'm game so long as its 'faux fur' and I get to be the rabbit!!




So that means Lynnxz get to be a lynx and eat the rabbit. I think I'll be in my bunk.




Apocalypso -> RE: -=Now y'all wannabes can "play like Grey"=- (11/12/2013 4:05:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz
The club is in desperate need of fresh faces, and a younger crowd who is more interested in actual kink, then standing around judging the intricacies of the few people who want to play.

This is anecdotal, but a lot of the younger crowd I know (and I'm talking about people way more focused on public play then I am) have drifted off into private unadvertised parties over the past few years.

I don't think that's about level of play or even deliberate exclusion. It's because the primary social focus of the BDSM scene is based on the idea that BDSM is enough of a common interest that it gives people something to organise around. (You see that even more with munches than play parties).

It's not, at least for everyone. It's never been for me, but I'm judgemental and arrogant and a bit hipster, so I'm probably an outlier. But more and more people I know seem to be coming to the same conclusions.




DsCouple23 -> RE: -=Now y'all wannabes can "play like Grey"=- (11/12/2013 5:27:15 PM)

Anything to bring a few more sub's onto the market... i like the fact 50 shades has come along. It's so low on the BDSM totem pole that when someone like me, or i would say most BDSMer's are discovered, it's by far a whole new level. Christian Grey is a sissy, on CM :)

J




Lynnxz -> RE: -=Now y'all wannabes can "play like Grey"=- (11/12/2013 5:36:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

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ORIGINAL: MariaB
it sorts out the visually needy submissives from those who enjoy a woman of substance!

Am I the only one who wants to see Lynnxz and MariaB model fur stripper outfits together? OMG.

...and, um, Lynnxz. I'd be happy to take one for the team and see how you looked that day. If you forced me to, of course.



Awe, anything for you Red ;)




SWDesertDom -> RE: -=Now y'all wannabes can "play like Grey"=- (11/12/2013 5:53:52 PM)

Can I get the Grey Billionaire Lifestyle for $59.95 + tax? I might be up to buy that one...




SeekingTrinity -> RE: -=Now y'all wannabes can "play like Grey"=- (11/12/2013 7:59:11 PM)

I live in Oregon and we have no sales tax here. Id definitely take the Christian Grey billionaire lifestyle for $59.95. Hell, Id even go buck wild crazy and pay $59.99 [:D]




GotSteel -> RE: -=Now y'all wannabes can "play like Grey"=- (11/12/2013 8:03:50 PM)

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The club is in desperate need of fresh faces, and a younger crowd who is more interested in actual kink, then standing around judging the intricacies of the few people who want to play.


The arrogant, elitist attitude many people in the community put off is off-putting, and frankly, laughable. They chase away people who are just beginning to show an interest, and scoff at the scenes of inexperienced players.


Damn, sounds like you've found the meatspace version of collarchat.

P.S. Goodluck on your search.




Moonlightmaddnes -> RE: -=Now y'all wannabes can "play like Grey"=- (11/12/2013 8:04:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders


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ORIGINAL: MariaB


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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders


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ORIGINAL: MariaB

The best had to be in Prague though. I found an outdoor market with BDSM stall right next to a baby clothes stall.


Makes perfect sense to me, that's how I got knocked up. [:D]


I'm intrigued... do tell?!?!


*L* sorry I just meant the purchase of BDSM kit resulted in the need to purchase baby clothes. My daughter will never know how incredibly kinky her conception was. I hope.


One of our kinky scenes resulted with my 8 month old baby. :) My husband was telling his friends and decided to be funny and say he was attacked. I told him I was tied up so exactly how was he attacked. Hehehe My baby will never know how she was conceived either.




Moonlightmaddnes -> RE: -=Now y'all wannabes can "play like Grey"=- (11/12/2013 8:33:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

That is the prevailing attitude here in the US, that *any* display of overt sexuality is impinging on other's rights.

I know CD's here in Indiana who will not cross dress and go out, b/c they are mortified of being 'outed' in public. As if they didn't have a right to be Cross Dressers. I'm sure there is fear of what other people might say or do, including violence.

I admit I don't go along with this prevailing view.

I'm a bit of an exhibitionist, and have had sex in public, been nude in public, and taken my kink out to the public on more than one occasion.

It mystifies me that in a nation where violent TV is the norm, people think youngsters would be traumatized if they saw a flash of tit or whatever.

Sex is a natural, normal, thing, it's how we all got here. But in the US, the attitude is to keep that indoors, and this is most especially true in the Bible Belt.

BTW: I want to take the time to thank the mods for letting this thread drift off topic in an organic way much like a conversation among friends. So: THANKS MODS !!








Yeah I am close to Springfield Missouri where there is a bible college on almost every corner. Kink is very much indoors here. But as far as our D/s relationship goes anytime I say I need to ask my husband the old bitty's that go to the little church on the corner always think I am being such a good little wife.
I made a friend from fetlife that moved here from Maryland a few months back. Our little town threw a fall party with a hay ride and she came over that day. One of the ladies I know from here sat by us on the ride so I introduced them and she wondered how we met and I told her we are in a craft group together without batting an eyelash. Ha she about choked from trying to keep laughing at me. It's not like I can tell this nice church going never even heard of kink in her life oh yeah we are both apart of this kinky group on fetlife but yeah we do happen to go to the same craft group it's just kinky!! She still laughs about that.




DesFIP -> RE: -=Now y'all wannabes can "play like Grey"=- (11/12/2013 8:47:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

When you say there's something happening that makes you uncomfortable to watch so don't watch it, that presumes there are separate areas where you can sit without watching.

There's a small, private club trying to get started around here. And there is no separate room to socialize in.

What that means is that those of us who don't play heavy really can't go without seeing stuff that squicks us.


There is a door isn't there? If you can't use it... That is your problem! It absolutely lame that you witness stuff that squicks you because you don't have the strength to use the door and blame it on the play space.



You're absolutely right. And we did leave. And we probably won't return as won't the others who were squicked from that scene got up and left at the same time.

So by not having a separate socializing place, they chased away six people, probably leaving only eight still there.

You think they'll be able to maintain a club with only eight members? Somehow I rather doubt it.




MariaB -> RE: -=Now y'all wannabes can "play like Grey"=- (11/13/2013 1:07:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP


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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

When you say there's something happening that makes you uncomfortable to watch so don't watch it, that presumes there are separate areas where you can sit without watching.

There's a small, private club trying to get started around here. And there is no separate room to socialize in.

What that means is that those of us who don't play heavy really can't go without seeing stuff that squicks us.


There is a door isn't there? If you can't use it... That is your problem! It absolutely lame that you witness stuff that squicks you because you don't have the strength to use the door and blame it on the play space.



You're absolutely right. And we did leave. And we probably won't return as won't the others who were squicked from that scene got up and left at the same time.

So by not having a separate socializing place, they chased away six people, probably leaving only eight still there.

You think they'll be able to maintain a club with only eight members? Somehow I rather doubt it.

Those eight club members would be better off having small intricate parties in their own basements. Whoever is making the effort to put together a small club for its 'small' community will quickly learn that it will get very little thanks for its efforts. All that voluntary hard work and being deeply out of pocket will result in nothing more than half its customers being dissatisfied.

Many of the smaller clubs I have been to only have the one room. Its so, so difficult to find a venue that's accepting, clean and not out of ones price range. I take my hat off to anyone who goes to all the trouble of finding a venue that's vaguely suitable. To then have the clubbers insisting that certain types of play shouldn't be allowed because it troubles those who aren't so edgy, makes life for such a promoter impossible. No edge play reduces numbers, allowing edge play, reduces numbers. In a bigger club, keeping the none edgeplayers away is a good thing or if you want to run a softer club, keeping the edge players out is a good thing but with a small club like the one you attended, its going to fail whatever direction they take. This is a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation.


I would only have two words for such a promoter, 'why bother'?





sunshinemiss -> RE: -=Now y'all wannabes can "play like Grey"=- (11/13/2013 5:28:35 AM)

Sunny Quote of the Day
goes to
Lynnxz
for
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For fucks sake,
last time I went,
there was a chili contest.



http://www.collarchat.com/m_4583459/mpage_8/key_/tm.htm#4585256




MariaB -> RE: -=Now y'all wannabes can "play like Grey"=- (11/13/2013 6:33:52 AM)

Ah but what were they doing with the chillies ?!?




Lynnxz -> RE: -=Now y'all wannabes can "play like Grey"=- (11/13/2013 6:40:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Ah but what were they doing with the chillies ?!?

Nothing fun. :(





MariaB -> RE: -=Now y'all wannabes can "play like Grey"=- (11/13/2013 7:00:55 AM)

Darn, have these people no imagination [:D]




JeffBC -> RE: -=Now y'all wannabes can "play like Grey"=- (11/13/2013 7:02:24 AM)

Well yes, but both Red and I apparently do. So uh.... where's that photo shoot?




KnightofMists -> RE: -=Now y'all wannabes can "play like Grey"=- (11/13/2013 8:36:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP


You think they'll be able to maintain a club with only eight members? Somehow I rather doubt it.



Maybe.... Maybe not.. But better to try and fail that not to try at all. Secondly.. I was part of a drive to start a small monthly play party. We rented a monthly space and had only a room for the play. I stepped back after a about a year.... It been over eight years and it's still going strong! When I was there we didn't do glass ceilings! And I am pretty sure they still don't. It a major reason for its success... People come and do what they want to do within the rules. Grey edgy doesn't matter... The second and maybe more important was good and consistent leadership. This little clubs success will be more dependent on the leadership of the club than you attending because they don't allow things that squick you.




JeffBC -> RE: -=Now y'all wannabes can "play like Grey"=- (11/13/2013 9:04:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists
I was part of a drive to start a small monthly play party. We rented a monthly space and had only a room for the play. I stepped back after a about a year.... It been over eight years and it's still going strong! When I was there we didn't do glass ceilings! And I am pretty sure they still don't. It a major reason for its success... People come and do what they want to do within the rules. Grey edgy doesn't matter... The second and maybe more important was good and consistent leadership. This little clubs success will be more dependent on the leadership of the club than you attending because they don't allow things that squick you.

In the end, the numbers will work out or they won't. It costs X amount to host the event. The event has sufficient draw to fund that cost or it does not. You can either make a sustainable non-profit or you can't. How is this different than any business planning problem? Heck, I'm starting to plan a 2014 strategic planning session for my own non-profit. We're going to have to cope with some very similar issues. So we'll need to roll up our sleeves and do a SWOT analysis and then some brainstorming and then we'll need to knuckle down and execute whatever plans we come up with. If we fail at all of that, we die.

Reality bites.

But what I can absolutely guarantee you I am NOT going to do in all of this is blame everyone else in the world but me. I am the president. The buck stops at my desk. If we fail, it is my fault not someone else's. it is not the fault of the newer associations in town who compete with us. It is not the fault of "a bad economy" or "shifts in the tourism industry" or any other such thing. It is crappy planning and crappy execution leading to failure.... MY failure.




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