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lovmuffin -> RE: Epic Fail. Current Obamacare enrollment (11/14/2013 11:20:58 AM)
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
And your stupid Obaminationcare is affecting the whole nation in a negative way including myself. Ya take something that has problems and make it much worse. Yeah, that makes sense.....to a liberal.
ORIGINAL: joether
The healthcare system before the ACA was so completely FUCKED, that it was heading towards destruction anyways. The number one cause of bankruptcies in the United States was due to medical bills. Rates in many states were rising by double digits each year. It was harder and harder to see a medical doctor much less help in the ER. Things were basically screwed up. So something was done about it. I've never stated the ACA is a perfect document. It has problems. However, the problems I see are different from how you see them. The difference is not our two political viewpoints. Or how we view the President. Or Democrats/Republicans. Or I'm liberal and your conservative. Its the fact of...I read the document and you did not. So your perceptions of what is actually in the document and how it all works, is fairly limited to what the media at large explains.
If you minus out the rhetoric for a moment, lovmuffin, and read the whole document. What would understand of how the process works? You would not have the current viewpoint you hold now. The document explains the theory on how the exchanges would operate. It does not spell out what the code for the whole website would be, line for line. And that is what your blaming it on. The website according to the President should be back up and running on November 30th of this year. The President tapped many good minds around the nation to help re-engineer the site to take into consideration the many complexities and stresses the site has to operate under. Like any introduction of something that is new, there will be problems and hopefully those problems will get fixed. The President has already stated that if Americans are having trouble researching the material and making an informed decision before the due date (that's Jan 1, 2014 as per the ACA), he'll push the date back.
My view is he'll set that day back by about two or three months part way into December if not sooner. The number of sign ups will actually be known sometime in January or into February. March or April would give us a fairly decent understanding of just how many people are picking out plans. Three factors to remember here:
A ) The number of people obtaining these plans is not the whole nation, or just adults. Many Americans have healthcare plans through their employers or through other means that remains within the law's framework (i.e. plans that are grandfathered in). Its hard to say what the actual number might be, as its widely open to interpretation right now.
B ) Most people do not show up at a car dealership and just buy a car on the spot (unless its a real POS). Most will do their homework with a car. Same is expected with the plans through the exchanges. Understanding what they are, what they cover, how much they'll cost and a few dozen other issues to navigate. Like which was seen with the Mass Health, plans being 'purchased' (see 'C' below) start off at a low rate and rise up as time closes to Jan 1, 2014 (assuming this date is not pushed back).
C ) An how do we know how many plans have been purchased? That information begins when the insurance company sends out the first bill, and payment is received. Before the website went 'poof' in the first week, it was expected that those payments would not start being received until late November (unlikely at the time) or December (more likely). Given circumstances, that information will likewise be pushed back.
So in ending here, lovmuffin, I'm trying to give you some useful knowledge on the subject matter. I'm not 100% certain on some of this stuff, but I'm fairly confident in what I'm stating here. Time will tell how close to the right answer I am, right?
I'm bringing this over here from the gun thread.
The old system is not nearly as bad as what we're getting shoved down our throats or as bad as what you make it out to be. If the old system was heading for destruction, this one is headind that way at warp speed. If it was hard to get in to see a doctor then, its only going to get worse with Obaminationcare. Many doctors are getting out of the business and some are going to stop taking insurance of any kind and you think we won't have to wait.
You've read the 1000's of pages of this law. Ok, if you say so but I am reading the results and they are just as predicted by those ebil conservatives and predicted to get worse. And yes, in theory it was supposed to work but its all beaurocrat theory, reallity is different. The freakin website doesn't even scratch the surface of the problems this train wreck has. And incidendly, why does it take more than 500 million to set up a web site ? According to the techies, a million would be overcharging. Who got paid that 499 million and for what ?
A) Sorry to tell you but even employer provided plans are changing with all the price and deductable hikes to go with them. That's what just happened to me. You can believe that "grandfathered in" lie all you want, I'm not seeing it.
B) Car sales analogy ? Trying to compare to healthcare ? I'm not even going there.
C) how many plans purchased ? Call it an unknown if you want but it doesn't look good. For this train wreck to work we need young healthy people to sign up and its not happening, not that I think this thing is going to work anyway.
Yes joether, time will tell if you are right but so far, the evidence indicates you're wrong.
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