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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 6:30:17 PM

Evanesce

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I have a sub that likes to play hudini, test My patience and keep Me on edge? how do I get this puppy uncontrol?

While I am somewhat in awe of LadyHugs' evil genius, I prefer to go a little gentler at first. A round steel helmet with matching mitts works well here, because once it's locked on, every sound is amplified, and they're not getting out of it until you let them out, so they have to just stand there. A tuning fork comes in quite handy at this point.

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 6:46:50 PM

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Dear Evanesce, Ladies and Gentlemen;

Oh I can be nice. Metal helmet and mits sounds sweet. However, I wouldn't use just a tuning fork--I think I would want to get a few drum sticks and do some drumming.

Metal drum sounds lovely! Gives new meaning to a 'steel drum.'

Respectfully submitted with a good deal of sadistic wit,
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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 6:49:19 PM

Lordandmaster

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He's a male? The only two options are putting him in chastity or showing him that you're ready to let him go. Or sometimes making them eat another man's come out of your vagina has a way of showing them their place.

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I have a sub that likes to play hudini, test My patience and keep Me on edge? how do I get this puppy uncontrol?

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 6:49:30 PM

DommeShi

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The Degree dictates the way. Of which can be to any degree of varied things I won't

get into on here. their attention Will change Very shortly. ( speaking of female subs only)

Domme Shi

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 7:58:13 PM

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*chuckling out loud* and a musical Lady as well...*takes notes*

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 8:12:55 PM

LadyHugs

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Dear DommeShi, Ladies and Gentlemen;

In dealing with female submissives, I do love taking away their charge cards, debit cards, cash, favorite shoes and frocks, and their chocolates.

Of course, it is fun to play a tape of a whiney male, Barney's Friend's song, PeeWee Herman, Teletubbies as well as messing up a hairdo, make up and nails.

But, indeed --it is true, there is not enough shared information to torment and discipline a unruly female slave/submissive.

Ladies--we need more wonderful tortures of women's virtues!

Respectfully submitted for consideration and with humor,
Lady Hugs

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/4/2006 4:18:05 PM

mistresszariah1

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what about tieing him to a tree PAINTING A TARGET ON HIS ASS USING IT FOR PAINT BALL PRACTICE OOP BALLS i MISED LOL

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/4/2006 4:26:32 PM

mistresszariah1

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I know what else have a few electric dog collatrs with remotes Ive used on him and guess where I put them lmaoo

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/4/2006 6:48:39 PM

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I just read your profile and deduced that your sub is likely a grown ass man over the age of 35, in which case...fuck him up.

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/4/2006 7:00:27 PM

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G'evening all:

zariah, if stapling him to a tree and forcing him to listen to hours of Barry Manilow overdubbed with Snoop Dogg won't cure his feisty ways, I don't know what will.

On the real tip? Sounds like he's testing you. Something which I don't personally stand for. My boy knows better, even if he has some sassy/s.a.m.my moments. Some of the other posters offered some sound advice. If he doesn't settle down? Might be time to show him the door. Then again, could be a golden opportunity to try some new toys...

Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others...

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/4/2006 7:04:37 PM

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I have a sub that likes to play hudini, test My patience and keep Me on edge? how do I get this puppy uncontrol?

I'm not at all clear on what "hudini" is (nor do I have any concept of what "uncontrol" is) however, I've found that the most effective solution to your dilemma is...flush him and find a really great sub from Seattle.

I can't say it's worked for everyone, but this could be your day!

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/5/2006 5:22:43 AM

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You say Hudini -- I suppose this means he tries to get out of something he's not to get out of.

If he can get out of rope bondage, or he likes to leave an area you command him to be in, simple: Eyebolts, Chains and padlocks with you having the key. Keep him there for a while...and use some of the other suggestions the others have given here. If he tends to leave the house while you are at work, or something like that, make him go naked or lock collar, cuffs, and chastity device on him in the nude -- and lock up all his clothes while you are gone. he won't go outside, for no reason what-so-ever. Even if all else fails, a chastity device alone can do the trick, it does wonders for changing their focus -- as do the other points and ideas people mentioned here.

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/5/2006 8:11:15 AM

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Cage him.

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/5/2006 8:23:46 AM

LadyHugs

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Dear mistresszariah1, Ladies and Gentlemen;

Only reason why I would not recommend paint ball practice on his bee-hind, is due to the impact can't be guarenteed to hit the buttocks. Miss hit to the kidney, spine area or other areas that are medically unsafe would bug me--no matter how expert one is at it--I rather have low risks.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/5/2006 8:33:40 AM

LadyHugs

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Dear LTRsubNW,

Hudini was a magician who was famous for escaping bondage at high risk situations. He is the 'standard' to which magicians aspire to be and are rather rare to exceed. Unfortunately, Hudini did not die from one of his tricks, magic or such but, unprepared to take a blow to the body, the damage caused internal injuries and perished. Although 1920 circa, a lot of his secrets went to the grave with him.

So, when you have bondage fans who enjoy testing bondage and escape--it is coined being a Hudini. It really frustrates the Dominant to have an escape from bondage. So, what is usually the remedy, is having counter bondage techniques, so if the slave moves one part of the body, another body part will suffer. So, it is really artful to do bondage to the degree of shifting bondage to maintain 'the' victim and no escape.

Cage is easier but, some like to solve the puzzle.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/5/2006 8:39:10 AM

LadyHugs

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Dear HayaSierra, Ladies and Gentlemen;

I love your idea about locking up his clothes. Should the chap live there, sometimes they have more clothes than women! And, sometimes the rascals go onto getting into the women's closets and wear clothes --to which never are the same afterwards. It is awful!

Respectfully submitted with humor,
Lady Hugs

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/5/2006 9:38:55 AM

Lordandmaster

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Wrap it around his balls.

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I know what else have a few electric dog collatrs with remotes Ive used on him and guess where I put them lmaoo

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/5/2006 10:46:57 AM

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zariah, if stapling him to a tree and forcing him to listen to hours of Barry Manilow overdubbed with Snoop Dogg won't cure his feisty ways, I don't know what will.

On the real tip? Sounds like he's testing you. Something which I don't personally stand for. My boy knows better, even if he has some sassy/s.a.m.my moments. Some of the other posters offered some sound advice. If he doesn't settle down? Might be time to show him the door. Then again, could be a golden opportunity to try some new toys...
Bella

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I don't cope well with passive aggressive resistance, and a houdini problem I shall not have since I'm not massively into bondage... When I do restrain someone, it is usually just a reminder for him not to move, not a challenge for him to overcome; so, if he tries me that way, I'll probably hurt him as I'm becoming increasingly fond of CBT... I'm also always up for using a human instead of pillow to practice my whipping on with the cat-O-nine. M

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/5/2006 12:15:53 PM

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Is the sub under instructions not to attempt escape? IMO, if there's not a specific instruction or understanding and it's not mental bondage, it has to be real (inescapable) so I've pulled a few "Houdini's" while being kept in long-term bondage. Of course if there's an instruction I'll follow it but I've often seen it as a challenge to try and free myself (and always happy when I can't). For long-term bondage situations, trying (and failing) to escape tends to elevate the intensity IMO.

I think the earlier suggestions regarding how to prevent escape were great and in my case, locks were usually the answer. I've never been able to get free of restraints that had locks properly applied. Also, anything metal or steel such as chains, cuffs, shackles, etc. makes escape highly unlikely. As Caretakr mentioned, the most foolproof way is to cage.

As far as punishment, it was what I chose to do after I escaped that I knew would determine whether or not I was punished so I was always very careful not to stray from my immediate area. To do so would risk some punishments that would not be pleasant. As long as I remained where I was and didn't leave until the Dominant returned, the only consequence was more intense restraint the next time. But if You're going for attitude adjustment, I agree with the advice of just don't tie him. That would get my attention very fast.

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/5/2006 12:28:50 PM

cynthiamarie

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Nothing to say but...I enjoyed hearing everyone's point of view. Having joyinslavery come in to round it out gave me more to think about.

*puts a shock collar on her list...*

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