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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/19/2013 8:57:37 AM

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So much for "Christian" compassion, about love the sin and hate the sinner, etc..religious people complain that they are targeted for abuse, are called intolerant and mean and such, but where is the outrage for them at this stupid, stupid family? Evangelicals claim to be spreading the love of God, yet they are routinely like this, judgmental, mean, etc.

It is funny, years ago there was a case where some of the morality police were able to pressure a hotel into canceling a leather event called "Beat Me in St. Louis", from a Howard Johnson's hotel there (the event had the whole hotel booked, so no 'vanillas' would be put out). I got involved (turns out the corporate parent of Howard Johnson's hotels literally is in my back yard), and the hotel chain as a result issued rules to their hotels telling them not to ever do what the hotel in St. Louis did, that their basic credo was as long as the groups activities were legal and were willing to be accommodating when concerns about mixing with others in the hotel were concerned i.e being discrete where needed, everyone was welcome.I spoke to someone at the headquarters (literally made an appointment to talk to them) and the woman laughed, said they got feedback from employees at the hotel, who said the leather people were fun to work with, were good tippers and were just great people. Meanwhile, not long before, some evangelical conference was there,and the employees said that they never worked with a nastier group of people, complained about everything, and often refused to tip, claiming that a good job done is reward enough and other BS......

Yes they were assholes. They are obviously bigoted toward gays. They look at the actions of one and apply it to the whole group. And we all know that is wrong. To turn around and try to paint all christians as hateful because of this is just as wrong. Now there were all kinds of things you could have said about the couple who actually did this, but instead you felt to use this to further your hatred towards christians. How are you any better than they are?

lauren was quite careful to never bash all Christians. Why are you claiming she did?

I guess because I can comprehend english better than you.

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/19/2013 9:02:14 AM

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Some things said in anger are just puffery. It does not mean she would do it.

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She had my sympathy until I read the email she sent to Have a Gay Day and then posted on her Facebook account.

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I am THOROUGHLY offended mad pissed off and hurt that THIS is what her kids will grow up learning and that I served in the Marines to keep ignorant people like them free. Sorry lady but I don't agree with YOUR lifestyle and the way you're raising your kids but you didn't see me throwing that in your face and giving you shitty service. Keep your damn mouth shut and pray we never cross paths again.

So, she wants to spit in their food and they need to pray they never cross paths with her again. I would say that she is as big an asshole as they are.

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/19/2013 11:44:42 AM

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So much for "Christian" compassion, about love the sin and hate the sinner, etc..religious people complain that they are targeted for abuse, are called intolerant and mean and such, but where is the outrage for them at this stupid, stupid family? Evangelicals claim to be spreading the love of God, yet they are routinely like this, judgmental, mean, etc.

It is funny, years ago there was a case where some of the morality police were able to pressure a hotel into canceling a leather event called "Beat Me in St. Louis", from a Howard Johnson's hotel there (the event had the whole hotel booked, so no 'vanillas' would be put out). I got involved (turns out the corporate parent of Howard Johnson's hotels literally is in my back yard), and the hotel chain as a result issued rules to their hotels telling them not to ever do what the hotel in St. Louis did, that their basic credo was as long as the groups activities were legal and were willing to be accommodating when concerns about mixing with others in the hotel were concerned i.e being discrete where needed, everyone was welcome.I spoke to someone at the headquarters (literally made an appointment to talk to them) and the woman laughed, said they got feedback from employees at the hotel, who said the leather people were fun to work with, were good tippers and were just great people. Meanwhile, not long before, some evangelical conference was there,and the employees said that they never worked with a nastier group of people, complained about everything, and often refused to tip, claiming that a good job done is reward enough and other BS......

Yes they were assholes. They are obviously bigoted toward gays. They look at the actions of one and apply it to the whole group. And we all know that is wrong. To turn around and try to paint all christians as hateful because of this is just as wrong. Now there were all kinds of things you could have said about the couple who actually did this, but instead you felt to use this to further your hatred towards christians. How are you any better than they are?

lauren was quite careful to never bash all Christians. Why are you claiming she did?

I guess because I can comprehend english better than you.

Not if you think the bolded phrases/words are attacks on all Christians. The first one uses Christian as a modifier describing the following word. The quotes around it indicate it is meant as not being representative of the word. "Religious people" is not an attack on Christians. lauren states that they complain about things which is true. Evangelicals are a subgroup of Christians so it is also clearly not an attack on all Christians. So you really need to stop your trolling and go back and get a real education.

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/19/2013 12:07:03 PM

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But honestly, they NEVER claimed this was due to religion (Christianity or otherwise) so therefore, we can't say it for them. It really is that simple. It's like saying, they must have had a childhood trauma of some kind or daddy issues which caused them to do this (without any evidence that's the case.) Unless *they* say it, we are only speculating and assigning blame where none has been attributed by the people (or person...probably the wife) who did this.

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/19/2013 12:14:50 PM

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This sure sounds to me like it was due to their religious beliefs:

Thank you for your service, it was excellent. That being said, we cannot in good conscience top you, for your homosexual lifestyle is an affront to GOD. Queers do not share in the wealth of GOD, and you will not share in ours.

ETA - oh, that was from cheapskates in Kansas and the OP is about cheapskates in New Jersey.

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/19/2013 12:23:07 PM

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This sure sounds to me like it was due to their religious beliefs:

Thank you for your service, it was excellent. That being said, we cannot in good conscience top you, for your homosexual lifestyle is an affront to GOD. Queers do not share in the wealth of GOD, and you will not share in ours.

ETA - oh, that was from cheapskates in Kansas and the OP is about cheapskates in New Jersey.

Yup.

The cheapskates in New Jersey (the OP) wrote: "I'm sorry but I cannot tip because I do not agree with your lifestyle and how you live your life." on the check.
It's suspiciously close to the Kansas nutjobs, but there is no clear unmistakable indicator that they're fanatic religious people of whatever religion.

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/19/2013 1:34:41 PM

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There can be no doubt about this cheapskate's affiliation with Christianity:

Pastor Apologizes For Snide Remark On Meal Receipt

JANUARY 31--The St. Louis pastor responsible for the credit card receipt heard ‘round the Internet termed her snide scribblings a “lapse in my character and judgment,” adding that the Applebee’s employee who posted the receipt online was fired yesterday after she lodged a complaint with restaurant managers.

In a TSG interview, Alois Bell said that the online firestorm created by the receipt has left her stunned. “My heart is really broken,” said the 37-year-old Bell. “I’ve brought embarrassment to my church and ministry.”

The Applebee’s receipt, which was posted earlier this week to Reddit, includes Bell’s handwritten notations referring to an 18 percent tip added to the bill (for groups larger than six). “I give God 10% why do you get 18,” wrote Bell, who scratched out the tip and added a zero in its place. She also wrote the word “Pastor” above her signature.

...According to her biography, Bell “gave her life to Christ in 1997 while she was pregnant and homeless with her youngest son.” Living at the time in a Catholic homeless shelter, Bell recalled that she was laying in her bed one afternoon when “the Lord touched her heart and she invited him in.”

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/19/2013 2:52:20 PM

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I can see someone who is an atheist and just hates everyone who is not like them leaving a note like this also. I would think anyone who was a religious fanatic would have said something like "gawd and I do not agree with your lifestyle".

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/19/2013 2:55:35 PM

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But WHAT does that have to do with THESE PARTICULAR losers?

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/19/2013 3:09:45 PM

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Watch the Bill Maher video and all will become clear ;)

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/19/2013 4:29:27 PM

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Bill Maher is an egotistical windbag. I only watch him when I'm feeling particularly masochistic. I'm not feeling that way right now. Anyway, I prefer to stick to the facts of the case we are discussing, rather than assuming they are all inter-related.

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/19/2013 8:11:29 PM

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Huh? Christ taught love above all things. That's why I say they are not Christian. If they were, they would not be judgmental assholes. They can call themselves whatever they like, but I contend they are no more true Christians than my cat is a pineapple. (my cat is not a pineapple, btw) But since they didn't play the Christian card, (surprisingly) we can't do it for them.

It is why I put "Christian" in quotes. There are plenty of Christians who aren't homophobic or haters, 54% of Catholics support same sex marriage, a number of Catholic churches despite the stupid sacks of shit that they have for Bishops these days are gay friendly, mainstream protestant churches have shifted their beliefs and many either are openly affirming or working that way.....so no, it isn't all Christians and I never said it was all. Quakers were one of the first groups to openly come out and favor gays, and the rapid change in beliefs is amazing. Last I heard, the new head of the Southern Baptists has come out and said that it isn't the church's place to try and stop gays from being legally able to marry, and mormons have actually been instrumental in trying to get ENDA passed in congress.....

However, to claim that homophobia and gay hating has nothing to do with Christianity as it is often practiced is often delusional. You think the GOP's anti gay stand is there to attract Muslims or most Jews? Nope, their anti gay agenda that they have been spewing for years is aimed at, you got it, evangelical Christians and other members of the religious right. The house of representatives, full of the pandering to the religious crowd, is refusing to vote on the ENDA bill the Senate passed, because John Boehner, who is scared of losing his seat if he pisses off the religious crowd in his district in Ohio, is keeping it from coming to a vote..or do you think homophobia came out of nowhere and Christian churches and teaching have been all so gay affirming and loving.

Even the wording of the note, condemning her lifestyle (or perceived lifestyle) tells a tale, most of the people who believe homosexuality is a choice tend to be religious, even the Catholic Church officially does not believe it is a choice, and it is the religious who believe in conversion therapy (when I say religious, I don't mean go to church, I mean evengelicals and the religious right).

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/19/2013 8:16:07 PM

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Huh? Christ taught love above all things. That's why I say they are not Christian. If they were, they would not be judgmental assholes.

Have you read St. Paul's letters? To be fair, it's arguable that he was no kind of Christian, either. My late wife used to call the Church "the Pauline Heresy."

I am not a follower of Paul. (aka Saul)

But really my point was that the cheap people who ripped this waitress off (imo) and added (literally) insult to injury never brought Christianity into it, so we can't assume that's what the issue is. (and even if it was, it's a small minded hateful, skewed version of what being a follower of Christ is supposed to mean.)

I agree totally, but that also is ignoring what sadly often passes as Christianity. Why do you think Pope Francis has come out and said that the Catholic Church was too obsessed with sexuality, that it has made Catholicism into being anti gay, anti abortion and anti contraception? I don't think Christ would like the idea of the hate heaped on gays, but sadly, that is what has been pandered to in this country, the haters, the evangelicals with their mega churches, the Rick Warrens and the rest of them.....Prop 8 passed in California thanks to the work of right wing groups, many of them tied to the religious right, and the GOP wanted to put discrimination into the constitution, arguing marriage was 'sacred' (really? law is sacred?)....

I only wish more Christians worried about love and left the rest to God, but that hasn't been the total experience nor is it even the majority position for much of the history of the faith. Saying they aren't true Christians doesn't change the fact that a)they proclaim they are and b)people instead of telling them to shut up, actually listen to them.

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/19/2013 8:45:05 PM

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So we don't know if they were christians and we don't know if they were conservatives but just for shits and giggles we will talk about how awful those people are. Why am I not surprised?

I was raised Catholic, am now Unitarian, went to church Sunday, and was delighted when my minister said "Go Hawaii!" during our Candles of Joy or Concern segment, and the congregation applauded.

Before I posted the Bill Maher bit, I wasn't able to confirm one way or the other about the homophobic couple in the OP. However, is there any doubt about the religion of people who leave fake $10 bills as tips?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/10/1254527/-MUST-SEE-Bill-Maher-BLASTS-selfish-Christian-hypocrites-who-don-t-tip-waiters

And if you're a waiter or waitress in the Bible Belt, you may very well have seen one of these.

It's a phony $10 dollar bill that Christians sometimes leave on the table in lieu of an actual tip. It looks like a $10, so you get the benefit of giving poor people hope, and then crushing it, but on the back it says, "Some things are better than money ... like your eternal salvation that was bought and paid for by Jesus going to the cross."

Yes, some people are assholes. I never denied that. I just get sick of people claiming they represent us all.

I can understand that, but there is another answer to that, too, and that is people of good will make their voices known and shut up the assholes. In this country many or most Christians are probably pretty moderate, decent people, but maybe because of the GOP's quest for power, suddenly the haters and the evangelicals became 'Christianity'. Same way, most Catholics are cafeteria catholics who think the Bishops and the Vatican under JPII and Benedict are a joke, but the problem is when the US Bishops go around threatening pro choice and pro gay marriage politicians or when they censured nuns because they *gasp* help the poor and powerless and don't yell and scream about abortion and gay marriage, where was the outrage? Where were the 'good' catholics telling them to shut up, or better yet, telling them to stop the politicizing of the church or they will withold their pledge.

There is a very old adage that is very true, and that is when people stay silent when they see something wrong, they are tacitly giving their consent. If Christians are upset at being labeled as bigots and mean and so forth, then the answer is to speak out against those that soil the name of Christian. I belonged to a very liberal church that was part of a pretty liberal protestant denomination, and I got tired of hearing excuses for the religious right and evangelicals, how they didn't know any better, they were confused, this is what gave them comfort, and my answer was bullshit..the Nazis gave the German people hope, rebuilt their pride, but it didn't mean they should have been explained away (as they sadly were), if Christians are upset at being mixed in with the knuckle draggers, then they need to say what it is to be Christian. Unfortunately, the standard answer I get is as Christians, we are not supposed to judge others and so forth..so they basically will shake their head when they read of the religious right and the hates, but do nothing about it.

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/19/2013 8:48:47 PM

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So much for "Christian" compassion, about love the sin and hate the sinner, etc..religious people complain that they are targeted for abuse, are called intolerant and mean and such, but where is the outrage for them at this stupid, stupid family? Evangelicals claim to be spreading the love of God, yet they are routinely like this, judgmental, mean, etc.

It is funny, years ago there was a case...

Oddly enough, there's a case of sorts right here. How do you know they were Christian, let alone evangelicals (they weren't doing any evangelizing) or even religious at all? Answer: You don't. So I guess that makes you just like them.

K.

Among other things, I don't know too many non religious nuts who would assume someone is gay like that, let alone not leave her a tip and leave her a note to explain why. There are plenty of people who don't like gay people who might not even leave them a tip, but to leave a note like that? I would bet good money they were evangelical Christians if they had to leave a note saying they denied her a tip, not because she was a lousy waitress, but they didn't like her lifestyle (which is another clue, few people outside the religiously stupid use terms like 'lifestyle' to label gays, most people outside the religious these days believe that being gay is not a choice).

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/19/2013 8:57:18 PM

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So much for "Christian" compassion, about love the sin and hate the sinner, etc..religious people complain that they are targeted for abuse, are called intolerant and mean and such, but where is the outrage for them at this stupid, stupid family? Evangelicals claim to be spreading the love of God, yet they are routinely like this, judgmental, mean, etc.

It is funny, years ago there was a case where some of the morality police were able to pressure a hotel into canceling a leather event called "Beat Me in St. Louis", from a Howard Johnson's hotel there (the event had the whole hotel booked, so no 'vanillas' would be put out). I got involved (turns out the corporate parent of Howard Johnson's hotels literally is in my back yard), and the hotel chain as a result issued rules to their hotels telling them not to ever do what the hotel in St. Louis did, that their basic credo was as long as the groups activities were legal and were willing to be accommodating when concerns about mixing with others in the hotel were concerned i.e being discrete where needed, everyone was welcome.I spoke to someone at the headquarters (literally made an appointment to talk to them) and the woman laughed, said they got feedback from employees at the hotel, who said the leather people were fun to work with, were good tippers and were just great people. Meanwhile, not long before, some evangelical conference was there,and the employees said that they never worked with a nastier group of people, complained about everything, and often refused to tip, claiming that a good job done is reward enough and other BS......

Yes they were assholes. They are obviously bigoted toward gays. They look at the actions of one and apply it to the whole group. And we all know that is wrong. To turn around and try to paint all christians as hateful because of this is just as wrong. Now there were all kinds of things you could have said about the couple who actually did this, but instead you felt to use this to further your hatred towards christians. How are you any better than they are?

lauren was quite careful to never bash all Christians. Why are you claiming she did?

I guess because I can comprehend english better than you.

You didn't comprehend very well, when I wrote my original piece I wrote "Christians", which is generally a way to designate the fact that I don't consider their actions very christians. I didn't bash all Christians, I simply wrote that these people were likely self proclaimed Christians and that they weren't acting like it.......nowhere did I say all Christians were hateful, just that the waitress ran across the type that is. The fact that they bothered to leave a note like that and the wording they used told me it was probably evangelicals, and one local paper claimed to have tracked the family down and they were members of an evangelical church..

And maybe, just maybe, I have seen this kind enough to smell them out by their actions. I belonged to a very liberal church for a while that had a large lgbt population, and there was an interfaith charity drive to try and help poor families out during the holidays, all kinds of churches were involved. The overarching group reached out to several evangelical churches in the area, and the churches asked what other churches were involved, and because of my church, a couple of local UU churches and three or 4 UCC churches were involved, these various churches told the head of the group that they weren't interested in being involved with, "churches promoting the homosexual lifestyle"..and this, mind you, was an effort to help the poor, it had nothing to do with gay rights, it was about helping the poor, which last I checked Jesus kind of thought was a good thing..

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/19/2013 9:01:08 PM

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I can see someone who is an atheist and just hates everyone who is not like them leaving a note like this also. I would think anyone who was a religious fanatic would have said something like "gawd and I do not agree with your lifestyle".

Not necessarily, the lifestyle word is a tip off, based on personal experience. More importantly, the person who hates everyone and everything might not leave a tip, but they wouldn't be motivated to leave a note like that, that smells too much like someone supposedly 'brimming with faith' and wanting to tell a sinner they are a sinner.....in my experience, run of the mill bigots are too lazy to bother to leave a note,just not motivated that much.

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/20/2013 3:42:13 PM

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Gosh, I am sorry. I just assumed from the tone of most of your posts that you were carrying on in usual fashion. My bad

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/20/2013 3:43:37 PM

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And now for some good news....

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/nj-waitress-stiffed-being-gay-sees-donations-pour-202335492--abc-news-topstories.html

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/20/2013 4:12:41 PM

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The GMA article says:

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Morales, who served in the U.S. Marine Corps from 2009 to 2011, is donating all of the money she receives to the Wounded Warrior Project, an organization that supports service members injured in the line of duty.

An article I said yesterday said she was donating some of the money to Wounded Warrior, but either way, as someone who was moved by all the amputees at the Miami VA, way to go!

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