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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/26/2013 8:23:12 AM   
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I live in the area theshytype. it is the same case as the OP.


The top portion of my post wasn't in response to you, just under your quote was my response to you. Sorry for the confusion.

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/26/2013 10:05:52 AM   
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Two things, about whether "looking gay" is a choice:

1) If someone chooses not to tip because you "look gay," and you are, in fact, not gay...then your outraged mortification would be misplaced, right?

2) However, here in the 21st century, there are plenty of indicators people use to display their sexual preference...and, evidently, even yokel preachers have the ability to pick up on these.



As for when to tip, and young/old, blahblahblah-- again, when waitmonkeys start giving away any money that they earned simply by having big tits or a nice ass, then I will share your annoyance at someone who doesn't tip an old waitress. But as long as the tip is completely up to me (which it is), I can administer it for purely aesthetic reasons, because there are some things I want to look at while I eat, and some I don't.

Again, if you didn't want to be judged on looks, entering a field where that's one of the determining factors affecting your income was not such a wise choice.

Some people don't mine their server sporting tats...or might even tip because those things look "cool"-- I find them revolting, and will downgrade my tip accordingly. Get it?


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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/26/2013 10:18:03 AM   
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Ooooops!

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/customers-claim-they-did-leave-tip--did-not-leave-note-for-server-144714897.html


It seems that I wasn't too terribly far off ...

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Having said all that, I think there's always a chance that there's a little something extra going on, here. I'm pretty sure I remember that one of these instances (A waitress claiming she was stiffed because of the Zimmerman verdict) was pretty much proven to be a hoax and with the high percentage of servers just being actors, waiting on a gig, I always stop to wonder if we're not being duped.






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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/26/2013 9:54:14 PM   
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Wow! When people see a chance to "jump on homophobes", they're all over it but now that there's a chance that a this entire story was a fabrication, you can hear crickets.

Where are all the people decrying the fundamental religious fanatics (which - it turns out - these people may not be, after all)?

Where are all the people lambasting homophobes?

Silence is truly golden, in some cases but when erroneous assumptions are made, why not acknowledge them?





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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/26/2013 10:08:06 PM   
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I said something smelled fishy about this whole story a week ago, on page one. Dayna's story never added up.

The customer's receipt doesn't proof anything, as they could have easily kept a blank copy and then filled it out later, yet at the same time, Dayna's story doesn't add up at all, so I'm more likely to believe the costumers than the waitress whom has already proven herself to have questionable moral and ethical standards.

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/26/2013 10:19:37 PM   
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Ooooops!

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/customers-claim-they-did-leave-tip--did-not-leave-note-for-server-144714897.html



Since the $18 isn't on the merchant copy which goes to the credit card company, how exactly is wait staff supposed to receive that alleged 'tip'?













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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/27/2013 1:41:47 AM   
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I said something smelled fishy about this whole story a week ago, on page one. Dayna's story never added up.

The customer's receipt doesn't proof anything, as they could have easily kept a blank copy and then filled it out later, yet at the same time, Dayna's story doesn't add up at all, so I'm more likely to believe the costumers than the waitress whom has already proven herself to have questionable moral and ethical standards.



Post 84 was aimed more at the people who jumped right on the band wagon and were assigning a religion to these people but, fair dues; your post on page one: "I'm not saying these people aren't homophobic idiots ..." certainly reads like you had damned the customers, already.





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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/27/2013 3:21:26 AM   
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http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4592987

The link on this post shows where the couple also provided their actual cc statement, which matched the amount that included the tip they left.

Dayna should be ashamed of her self.

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/27/2013 9:36:52 AM   
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Ooooops!

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/customers-claim-they-did-leave-tip--did-not-leave-note-for-server-144714897.html



Since the $18 isn't on the merchant copy which goes to the credit card company, how exactly is wait staff supposed to receive that alleged 'tip'?




According to the news report the credit card company billed for the tip. Now I suppose it is possible that the restaurant didn't pass that along to the waitress and she didn't know, but that still doesn't explain the note on there. And no, I really don't care that she claimed it wasn't her handwriting. All that proves is someone else was in on it and wrote it for her.




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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/27/2013 9:38:59 AM   
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Now it would be interesting to hear from those who were so quick to pull up link showing how christians are evil and we should just assume that this was another case of that.

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/27/2013 6:32:23 PM   
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I'll take this opportunity to mention yet again that the Bill Maher piece I quoted was not about the same people as the OP and would like to apologize for any confusion this caused. I thought there was enough similarity to be pertinent, but after watching the video in searching4mysir's link it sure does seem like Dayna's claims are fraudulent.

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It recently came out on NBC that the waitress lied. The couple provided a copy of their credit card statement and a copy of their receipt showing the $18 tip to NBC.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Gay-Server-Tip-Lifestyle-Receipt-Discrepancy-233040811.html


This isn't the first time that people have tried to create a controversy where there was none.

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/27/2013 6:46:07 PM   
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No matter which side of the argument one was on, no one should feel that they were wrong for putting forth their thoughts/ideas. We can only go by what we are given through the news.

I did (and still do) feel that religion had no place in this discussion due to the fact that the note (whether it was real or forged) did not mention it.

But don't feel bad about taking what  major news network reports and running with it. There are liars who will manipulate the news and peoples' feelings, but that doesn't mean we should be skeptical of every story we come across.

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 11/27/2013 8:56:57 PM   
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Yes. It exactly means we should be skeptical of every story we run across.

Skepticism is good. Nothing should be taken for granted. Ever.

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 12/2/2013 6:17:51 PM   
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Well, well, well! Where are the champions of fair-play, today?

Dayna's in trouble!

For those who read down to the bottom and don't know; "once a Marine, always a Marine" as long as one hasn't been dishonorably discharged.

*listens for the crickets





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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 12/2/2013 6:32:25 PM   
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Well, well, well! Where are the champions of fair-play, today?

Dayna's in trouble!

For those who read down to the bottom and don't know; "once a Marine, always a Marine" as long as one hasn't been dishonorably discharged.

*listens for the crickets






Well, I guess that story blew up pretty fast. I was reading one of the follow up articles which interviewed some of her co-workers who said she had a reputation for lying:

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On Tuesday, former colleagues and friends of Morales, 22, formerly of Stony Point, N.Y., say she has a reputation for lying.

Morales has been caught in multiple lies, telling co-workers she shaved her head because she had brain cancer and later telling them it was her friend who had brain cancer, her colleagues and friends said.

They said she also told co-workers at a day care center where she once worked that Superstorm Sandy severely damaged her home in Stony Point, and sent a boat into her living room. Concerned co-workers dropped by her home and found only minor damage to the carpet by her front door and no sign of a boat, they said.

"Every story she comes up with has a lie," said Julie Howat, 23, of Pomona, N.Y.


Seems kind of sad in a way.

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 12/2/2013 8:28:44 PM   
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It is pathetic, and the owner of the restaurant should fire her if it turns out the whole thing was a lie.

That said, people reading the initial story, including myself, and assuming the people doing it were religious (and at the time, I read something I thought was part of an article claiming that the couple were known and were religious, turned out it was someone' blog response, which isn't news, it was bs, that was my mistake) were not out of line, the reality of homophobia has roots right back to religion, 2000 years of a religion that has been overwhelmingly homophobic translates into societal bigotries, call it cultural Christianity, call it what you wish, it exists and has been one of the most potent forms of driving hate at gays. It is true that many people of faith have come around over the past 30 years or so when it comes to gays, but that is a blip compared to the 2000 years when religion was virulently anti gay. Both the evangelicals and the Catholic leadership have made being anti gay a central tenet of their belief system, Catholic Bishops and evangelicals alike go out of their way to threaten same sex marriage supporters (as well as pro choice politicians), in the RC threatening politicians who are Catholic with not being able to take communion, or censoring a group of nuns who spend their time helping the poor and powerless, because they don't yell enough about same sex marriage. When prop 8 was brought to the supreme court, the lawyer for the group supporting prop 8 admitted that the reason for the ban was religious belief, and time and again, when asked why same sex marriage should be illegal, we get that it is 'sacred', which is not a secular term. Yes, there are bigots who are not religious but who are homophobic, but I would bet pretty good money they grew up in a family that went to church and that the root of their bigotry goes back to the idea that gays are 'an abomination' and so forth. We had the GOP trying to put a same sex marriage ban into the constitution, do you think that was secular, or do you think maybe, just maybe, that was appeasing the religious?

Saying that those who are anti gay are not Christian is all fine and dandy, but most of those Christians would say that anyone who supports gays isn't a Christian, and cite all the lovely words in the bible that have caused gays many thousands of years of pain, including being sent to the gas chambers in the Nazi era.

And words like 'lifestyle choice' are these days the words of believers, even homophobic secular people will tell you it isn't a choice, only the religious these days for the most part believe that, and support reparative therapy and so forth. More importantly, the most homophobic places in this country are in the areas generally considered the most religious aka the bible belt, kind of hard to claim religion has nothing to do with homophobia, that is pretty strong evidence to the contrary.

Given how much power religion has been given in politics over the past 30 years, and from personal experience with far too many supposedly loving people of faith, when I hear of an incident like this it reminds me of a line from a story Damon Runyon wrote. His character hears that a certain person was on Philadelphia in business the last weekend, and he furthermore read that a certain bookie was gunned down the prior weekend in Philadelphia. His character says that while he cannot say for certain that the person in question kills the bookie, he is in philadelphia that weekend and the bookie is gunned down, it is likely that he guns down the bookie, 6 to 4 at least in his book .....and it is the same way when you see outright incidents of homophobia or hate towards gays, it is very likely the person or people doing it are people claiming faith made them do it.

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 12/2/2013 9:14:13 PM   
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This is right on time!

In a rather ironic juxtaposition, I notice none of the "they-stiffed-a-gay-They-must-be-Christians" crowd bothered to give credit where credit is due.





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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 12/3/2013 1:50:27 PM   
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In a rather ironic juxtaposition, I notice none of the "they-stiffed-a-gay-They-must-be-Christians" crowd bothered to give credit where credit is due.


One Christian doing good deeds does not in any way offset all the times I got stiffed of a tip by all those cheap, smarmy, smiling, arrogant, obnoxious, right wing Christian assholes with their stupid little Chick tracts.

Okay, so people were wrong about their presumptions in the case of this particular waitress. There is a reason people have those presumptions and that reason is because your average hate filled, gay bashing, woman oppressing, science hating, racist dickhead is an right wing Christian.

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 12/3/2013 8:02:46 PM   
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cheap, smarmy, smiling, arrogant, obnoxious, right wing Christian assholes... your average hate filled, gay bashing, woman oppressing, science hating, racist dickhead is an right wing Christian.

How strange that they didn't like you. One of the world's unsolved mysteries, that one.

An anonymous Good Samaritan has been traveling around the US since at least September leaving thousands of dollars worth of tips wherever they go. Calling themselves "TipsForJesus," the mysterious stranger or strangers have so far kept their true identity from being leaked as they drop tips ranging from $500 to $10,000 at seemingly random establishments. ~Gawker

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RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- - 12/3/2013 8:40:05 PM   
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cheap, smarmy, smiling, arrogant, obnoxious, right wing Christian assholes... your average hate filled, gay bashing, woman oppressing, science hating, racist dickhead is an right wing Christian.

How strange that they didn't like you. One of the world's unsolved mysteries, that one.

An anonymous Good Samaritan has been traveling around the US since at least September leaving thousands of dollars worth of tips wherever they go. Calling themselves "TipsForJesus," the mysterious stranger or strangers have so far kept their true identity from being leaked as they drop tips ranging from $500 to $10,000 at seemingly random establishments. ~Gawker

More here and here.

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I don't know what this is supposed to prove, do kind deeds negate the very reality of what has passed for religion, the hate and so forth that is out there? There are a lot of people of faith who do good works, who aren't bigots and simply try to live into their faith, the problem is they have been drowned out by the haters, whether it is the Catholic Bishops, the douchebags who write comments any time there is a story about LGBT people, the evangelical Christians and their scumbag leaders like Rick Warren and Joel Osteen or the so called "Concerned Women for America" or the "Family Research Council" and the rest of them, or most of the GOP for that matter....want to know something, Kirata, if you are tired of being accused of being a bigot or seeing the religious denigrated as being such, then speak up...the problem with many of the 'good Christians' is they sit back and watch the action of the Fred Phelps, or the cafeteria Catholics who dominate the RC in the US yet when their Bishops act like the douchebags they are, they hide, they pretend it doesn't exist, pretend their Bishops are just silly old men, but then they get upset when someone in response to pronouncements from the Bishops about gays or trans people, characterizes Catholics as hateful morons..... it is funny, many Christians in the US talk about Muslims and say that the Muslims who are peaceful and whatnot don't say or do anything about the crazies; well, guess what, we have a lot of hateful, stupid Christian types out there, they dominate the GOP, and where are the "good Christians" to shout them down, to tell them to shut up and stop making a mockery of the faith......*chirp chirp chirp*.

William Shirer, who bore witness to the rise of Hitler in Germany and the horror of that regime as a CBS reported there all through the 1930's, when the McCarthy scourge and red fever hit the US, made a comment when CBS fired him for being too outspoken about McCarthy and the threat he posed. He said that it was exactly the same thing in Nazi Germany, where the "Good Germans" stayed silent when the loonies started their rise to power, pretended it didn't exist, made fun of it in private, and then after the war claimed there was nothing they could have done about it, they were victims. My answer to people of religious faith who feel like they are being cast in with the loonies, is to speak up and make your voices heard, and loudly. If the idiots put a ballot measure banning same sex marriage or banning the teaching of evolution, speak out and get off your ass and vote (sorry, folks, you stay home, you let the loonies win). Your Bishop goes off about how Catholicism is about being anti abortion and anti same sex marriage, let him know about it, raise a ruckus in your church and make clear you want none of your pledge going to the diocese and to the Bishop, and encourage others to do the same.

The reason that good people of faith are being called names is because the rotten side of religion has been allowed to predominate, the anti science, anti reason, and worse, those who believe the law should reflect their version of the Bible, types have become somehow 'the faithful'.....one of the reasons this story resonated so much with people, even if it is false, is what supposedly happened here happens all the time to LGBT people, and it is generally fired up and backed by 'religious belief', whether it is someone fired because they were suspected of being gay, or a truck driver for a supermarket chain who someone ratted out as a closet crossdresser (at home, mind you) and his bosses fired him, this is how many LGBT people experience people of faith. Even in liberal churches, that proclaim their acceptance for all, I/we have had to deal with this incredibly liberal pastor, all full of causes, telling lGBT people that you need to understand the haters, that their faith means so much to them, that they are ignorant and have been brought up this way...my comment to him was that is like telling Jews to ignore the holocaust or anti semitism, because those things were ingrained, too, the people who committed those horrible acts believed the crap spewed at Jews as truth, and that explaining away evangelicals and the like is like explaining away the KKK, doesn't sit well.

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