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Right wing cyber attacks on Healthcare.gov - 11/17/2013 5:27:53 AM   
Lucylastic


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Right wing cyber attacks on Healthcare.gov website confirmed.
Now please understand... Im not taking this as gospel, but I do expect to hear more about it in the very near future.
LOL

http://www.examiner.com/article/right-wing-cyber-attacks-on-healthcare-gov-website-confirmed?cid=db_articles

Yesterday, the House Homeland Security Committee published a video on their Youtube page highlighting a portion of the committee questioning Roberta Stempfley, acting assistant secretary of the Department of Homeland Security’s Office of Cyber-security and Communications, who confirmed at least 16 attacks on the Affordable Care Act’s portal Healthcare.gov website in 2013.

Roberta Stempfley highlighted one successful attack that is designed to deny access to the website called a Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attack. A DDoS attack is designed to make a network unavailable to intended users, generally through a concerted effort to disrupt service such as repeatedly accessing the servers, saturating them with more traffic than the website is designed to handle.

Right wingers have been distributing the link to the necessary tools to perform the attacks on the Healthcare.gov website through social networking, as pointed out by Information Week, and other websites .

The name of the attack tool is called, "Destroy Obama Care!"

"Destroy Obama Care!", that's the advertised name given to the attack tool by "right wing patriots" who are distributing the DDoS tool through downloads on social networks, which promises to overwhelm the Healthcare.gov website.

"This program continually displays alternate page of the ObamaCare website. It has no virus, Trojans, worms, or cookies. The purpose is to overload the ObamaCare website, to deny service to users and perhaps overload and crash the system," reads the program's grammar- and spelling-challenged "about" screen. "You can open as many copies of this program as you want. Each copy opens multiple links to the site."

"ObamaCare is an affront to the Constitutional rights of the people," it adds. "We have the right to civil disobedience!"
Marc Eisenbarth, research manager at the DDoS defense firm Arbor Networks says that the DDoS attack tool has been used in the past to attack perceived political wrongs.

"This application continues a trend Arbor is seeing with denial-of-service attacks being used as a means of retaliation against a policy, legal rulings or government actions," said Eisenbarth.
Some online news sites have talked about this attack tool being distributed by right wingers, and Congress held hearings this week and talked about the attacks, but there is not one mainstream news organization that seems to be interested. But they all continue to talk about the Healthcare.gov website not working as it should, and if it will be ready by the White House's self imposed deadline of December 1, 2013.

And if you watch the attached video of the questioning of Roberta Stempfley, by Rep. Michael McCaul (R-TX), they both are aware of the attacks, but neither mentions the website attack tool, “Destroy Obama Care!”. The Republican asking the questions obviously has the agenda of attacking the Affordable Care Act as all Republicans do, and it would not be in his best interests to mention that people on his side of the aisle are attacking it. And the DHS did not bring it up for obvious reasons of not wanting to advertise the attack tool.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmmLwW4w-9o

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RE: Right wing cyber attacks on Healthcare.gov - 11/17/2013 5:45:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		The article may be right. It's also written in a partisan hack style. Not unexpected. This is what I find salient -

"ObamaCare is an affront to the Constitutional rights of the people," it adds. "We have the right to civil disobedience!"

It's arguable and each side claims truth to their argument. Civil disobedience is interesting. One could say that what led up to the founding revolution was just that.

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RE: Right wing cyber attacks on Healthcare.gov - 11/17/2013 5:48:05 AM   
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RE: Right wing cyber attacks on Healthcare.gov - 11/17/2013 6:10:49 AM   
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Oh, wait. This isn't news.

Did you forget this thread?

Check out Post#3 (mine).

One of the links the Examiner article listed as proof this was being used by Republicans included this little tidbit:
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    Eisenbarth said this DDoS tool most likely can't deliver what it promises. "The request rate, the non-distributed attack architecture and many other limitations make this tool unlikely to succeed in affecting the availability of the healthcare.gov site," he said. Furthermore, he noted that to date, Arbor has seen no "active use of this software."


The other link that showed Republicans spreading the link to the tool was to "lunatic outpost" messageboard, which further linked to other sites that all used the same claims and information from Arbor that all the rest of the articles relied on.

So, this thread isn't really any different from farglebargle's thread.


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RE: Right wing cyber attacks on Healthcare.gov - 11/17/2013 6:16:30 AM   
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RE: Right wing cyber attacks on Healthcare.gov - 11/17/2013 6:20:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		@DS...  It isn't necessary to use specific software for DOS attacks.  Simply getting enough people to overload the log-in page has been effective in the past.

As to whether or not that was done, who is behind it, or if 16 attacks is the tip of the iceberg, etc. I'll rephrase my comment from another thread...  they would have to be monumentally clueless to let a golden opportunity like this pass without doing something.

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RE: Right wing cyber attacks on Healthcare.gov - 11/17/2013 6:36:41 AM   
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you obviously didnt watch the video or notice the date
c'est la guerre
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An update with no new info. Thanks, Lucy!



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RE: Right wing cyber attacks on Healthcare.gov - 11/17/2013 7:09:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

The article may be right. It's also written in a partisan hack style. Not unexpected. This is what I find salient -

"ObamaCare is an affront to the Constitutional rights of the people," it adds. "We have the right to civil disobedience!"

It's arguable and each side claims truth to their argument. Civil disobedience is interesting. One could say that what led up to the founding revolution was just that.

A DDoS attack is not civil disobedience. It is a major felony and people caught doing it have traditionally been given stiff sentences and parole conditions not allowing them to be in the same room with anything with a cpu.

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RE: Right wing cyber attacks on Healthcare.gov - 11/17/2013 7:10:36 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

The article may be right. It's also written in a partisan hack style. Not unexpected. This is what I find salient -

"ObamaCare is an affront to the Constitutional rights of the people," it adds. "We have the right to civil disobedience!"

It's arguable and each side claims truth to their argument. Civil disobedience is interesting. One could say that what led up to the founding revolution was just that.

One could also say that the people who are whining about civil disobedience being a moral duty now were dead against it when the chimp was ignoring Florida's ballots or invading an oil rich country whose management had fuck all to do with al queda and no WMDs under false pretenses. Back then anything that even hinted of civil disobedience was proof that you were an evil traitor who hated America.

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RE: Right wing cyber attacks on Healthcare.gov - 11/17/2013 7:17:36 AM   
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16 whole attacks?

I have a random server just so I can access documents. I get more attacks than that in 15 minutes. Which is why IT people put firewalls on servers.

Which just goes to show you:

A). How desparate the administration is for spin.
B). How clueless they truly are about IT. Because any IT person with his salt would tell you um. Don't publicize this fact - cuz you will be subject to merciless ridicule if you do. 16 whole attacks.

And, even if it were true.. how exactly are 16 random cyber attacks known to be.. right wing??

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RE: Right wing cyber attacks on Healthcare.gov - 11/17/2013 7:27:33 AM   
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LOLOLOLOL

16 whole attacks?

I have a random server just so I can access documents. I get more attacks than that in 15 minutes. Which is why IT people put firewalls on servers.

Which just goes to show you:

A). How desparate the administration is for spin.
B). How clueless they truly are about IT. Because any IT person with his salt would tell you um. Don't publicize this fact - cuz you will be subject to merciless ridicule if you do. 16 whole attacks.

And, even if it were true.. how exactly are 16 random cyber attacks known to be.. right wing??


They certainly aren't talking about probes. The witness was specifically talking about attacks that were reported to DHS by DHHS. And she did say at least one of those attacks was a DDoS attack by the software people are distributing on FB. I got at least 5 links to it last week.

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RE: Right wing cyber attacks on Healthcare.gov - 11/17/2013 8:17:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

The article may be right. It's also written in a partisan hack style. Not unexpected. This is what I find salient -

"ObamaCare is an affront to the Constitutional rights of the people," it adds. "We have the right to civil disobedience!"

It's arguable and each side claims truth to their argument. Civil disobedience is interesting. One could say that what led up to the founding revolution was just that.

A DDoS attack is not civil disobedience. It is a major felony and people caught doing it have traditionally been given stiff sentences and parole conditions not allowing them to be in the same room with anything with a cpu.


Civil disobedience is not baking cookies, DK. Have you ever wondered just why writings prior to the revolution were signed Publius?


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RE: Right wing cyber attacks on Healthcare.gov - 11/17/2013 8:36:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

The article may be right. It's also written in a partisan hack style. Not unexpected. This is what I find salient -

"ObamaCare is an affront to the Constitutional rights of the people," it adds. "We have the right to civil disobedience!"

It's arguable and each side claims truth to their argument. Civil disobedience is interesting. One could say that what led up to the founding revolution was just that.

A DDoS attack is not civil disobedience. It is a major felony and people caught doing it have traditionally been given stiff sentences and parole conditions not allowing them to be in the same room with anything with a cpu.


Major felony, eh?

Quite to the contrary, most people running DDOS attacks are never caught;
Most originate outside the country, so catching them is.. very difficult.
Of the *very* few - less than 1 in 100,000 that are caught, get any kind of sentence. Because most of them are script kiddies surfing for porn.
Its only when you get to major networks engaging in significant financial transactions that you really wake up and catch peopls notice.

Finally, ping is a simple tool that is on every single MS computer, potentially.
It has legitimate use. Suppose you wanted to find out if the healthcare site was up. You would
ping "healthcare.gov" -t

Now, if enough people were to do that, at the same time it would qualify as a DDOS attack. Given healthcare.gov I expect 6, 6 people would be enough (just kidding). From the info published so far, it would probably take 20-30,000 people. But in the scheme of things - thats nothing. Bot nets out there run with a couple hundred thousand computers.

Now, I am certainly *not* advocating that anyone do such a thing. Never ever ever.
But I certainly don't see that as any different as chaining yourself to the doors of a facility - or breaking into a factory and freeing all their lynx.

The very fact that you don't see DDOS attacks (redirect, or deface or ...) on their server farm speaks well of republicans and tea-party types in general, because the security on that server farm is as bad as most of the rest of the implementation.

Trivial to do - and yet, not done.

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RE: Right wing cyber attacks on Healthcare.gov - 11/17/2013 8:39:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

LOLOLOLOL

16 whole attacks?

I have a random server just so I can access documents. I get more attacks than that in 15 minutes. Which is why IT people put firewalls on servers.

Which just goes to show you:

A). How desparate the administration is for spin.
B). How clueless they truly are about IT. Because any IT person with his salt would tell you um. Don't publicize this fact - cuz you will be subject to merciless ridicule if you do. 16 whole attacks.

And, even if it were true.. how exactly are 16 random cyber attacks known to be.. right wing??


They certainly aren't talking about probes. T


Ah, you're a mind reader. You know that, how exactly? Because they didnt' release any real info, did they.
All just spin.

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RE: Right wing cyber attacks on Healthcare.gov - 11/17/2013 10:44:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

LOLOLOLOL

16 whole attacks?

I have a random server just so I can access documents. I get more attacks than that in 15 minutes. Which is why IT people put firewalls on servers.

Which just goes to show you:

A). How desparate the administration is for spin.
B). How clueless they truly are about IT. Because any IT person with his salt would tell you um. Don't publicize this fact - cuz you will be subject to merciless ridicule if you do. 16 whole attacks.

And, even if it were true.. how exactly are 16 random cyber attacks known to be.. right wing??


They certainly aren't talking about probes. T


Ah, you're a mind reader. You know that, how exactly? Because they didnt' release any real info, did they.
All just spin.

I know they aren't talking about probes because every ip address gets hit hundreds of times a day by probes which you would know if you actually knew anything about IT. BTW when are you going to come up with that non RAID data redundancy scheme that doesn't involve additional physical storage that you claimed existed?

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RE: Right wing cyber attacks on Healthcare.gov - 11/17/2013 10:49:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

The article may be right. It's also written in a partisan hack style. Not unexpected. This is what I find salient -

"ObamaCare is an affront to the Constitutional rights of the people," it adds. "We have the right to civil disobedience!"

It's arguable and each side claims truth to their argument. Civil disobedience is interesting. One could say that what led up to the founding revolution was just that.

A DDoS attack is not civil disobedience. It is a major felony and people caught doing it have traditionally been given stiff sentences and parole conditions not allowing them to be in the same room with anything with a cpu.


Major felony, eh?

Quite to the contrary, most people running DDOS attacks are never caught;
Most originate outside the country, so catching them is.. very difficult.
Of the *very* few - less than 1 in 100,000 that are caught, get any kind of sentence. Because most of them are script kiddies surfing for porn.
Its only when you get to major networks engaging in significant financial transactions that you really wake up and catch peopls notice.

Finally, ping is a simple tool that is on every single MS computer, potentially.
It has legitimate use. Suppose you wanted to find out if the healthcare site was up. You would
ping "healthcare.gov" -t

Now, if enough people were to do that, at the same time it would qualify as a DDOS attack. Given healthcare.gov I expect 6, 6 people would be enough (just kidding). From the info published so far, it would probably take 20-30,000 people. But in the scheme of things - thats nothing. Bot nets out there run with a couple hundred thousand computers.

Now, I am certainly *not* advocating that anyone do such a thing. Never ever ever.
But I certainly don't see that as any different as chaining yourself to the doors of a facility - or breaking into a factory and freeing all their lynx.

The very fact that you don't see DDOS attacks (redirect, or deface or ...) on their server farm speaks well of republicans and tea-party types in general, because the security on that server farm is as bad as most of the rest of the implementation.

Trivial to do - and yet, not done.


BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!

Ping cannot cause a DoS since most firewalls are now set to not echo ICMP packets or to stop responding if it starts getting lots of them.

However it is a fact that if someone is caught instigating a DDoS they have been prosecuted and gotten lengthy prison sentences and extreme parole conditions. Anyone actually involved in IT knows that.

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RE: Right wing cyber attacks on Healthcare.gov - 11/17/2013 11:27:12 AM   
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LOLOLOLOL

16 whole attacks?

I have a random server just so I can access documents. I get more attacks than that in 15 minutes. Which is why IT people put firewalls on servers.

Which just goes to show you:

A). How desparate the administration is for spin.
B). How clueless they truly are about IT. Because any IT person with his salt would tell you um. Don't publicize this fact - cuz you will be subject to merciless ridicule if you do. 16 whole attacks.

And, even if it were true.. how exactly are 16 random cyber attacks known to be.. right wing??


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RE: Right wing cyber attacks on Healthcare.gov - 11/17/2013 12:02:13 PM   
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So are you seriously claiming that those opposed to the ACA rollout are either too stupid or too incompetent ...




Lets talk incompetence. Government incompetence. And people think government can run the health establishment?


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RE: Right wing cyber attacks on Healthcare.gov - 11/17/2013 12:39:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Your government seems pretty competent to run the military, emergency services and IRS. The IT problems the Kenyan alludes to are more down to free enterprise elements inflating bills. How does this demonstrate that the feds are less capable of running a healthcare system than the current free enterprise system that makes a dog laugh?

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RE: Right wing cyber attacks on Healthcare.gov - 11/17/2013 12:56:23 PM   
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Your government seems pretty competent to run the military, emergency services and IRS. The IT problems the Kenyan alludes to are more down to free enterprise elements inflating bills. How does this demonstrate that the feds are less capable of running a healthcare system than the current free enterprise system that makes a dog laugh?



A few threads give some light to that. But when it comes to military, emergency services, and IRS competency, well... you're right, if one believes such to be true. Now many will point to this and that as proof of such competency. But I ask, was Iraq competent? Hurricane Katrina? Does our Congress really engender a feeling of competence? With poll numbers what they are, I'd hardly want to lend support to any such claim.



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