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DesideriScuri -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 5:31:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: directiveerror i'm one of those retail grinders and i dont have to worry about paying for thanksgiving because i'm working all day that day Sorry to hear that. I hope you'll be earning at a wage premium for those hours, as "Holiday" hours. I've had to work Black Fridays before (this was before there were early deals on Thanksgiving Day) and my retailer wasn't open on Thanksgiving Day.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 5:53:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether The difference is DS, Wal-Mart is a VERY large company with gross income measured in the billions. An that for 90% of employees are paid at minimum wage of that area ($7.25 unless higher by city/state). http://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-employees-pay The average Walmart "associate," Wake Up Walmart reports, makes $11.75 an hour. You might want to update your files against WalMart. Apparently, they pay a bit more than you think. No, actually, they really don't. In the industry, Wal-Mart is considered the leader in making employees feel like actual slaves. An seeing as most conservatives bitch of people on the welfare system should get jobs and make money; these people do just that, and they are STILL in poverty! Still in poverty? Any proof to that assertion? Any proof that 90% of WalMarts 1.4M US employees are paid the minimum wage, then? quote: quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Where do you shop that doesn't source stuff from China, Joether? I check what I purchased. You must throw in anything that looks neat without an ounce of consideration. You do not stop to consider the big picture. That when you buy that one toy from China, how much does it hurt the US economy? Not worth noting right? How about 10,000 Americans, each buying that toy that costs $39.99? Can that effect the US Economy? Not really. How about the few hundred toys, games, dolls, and objects within the toy are....during the Christmas rush? And across the nation? OH YEAH! So you, unwittingly and unknowing until this post, have been happily contributing to undermining the US Economy. You help ship jobs over seas, and force fellow Americans to be paid an hourly wage they can not live on, even if they go lean! It's not your decision where anyone buys their goods except you. If I want to buy my goods at China R Us, then I am perfectly free to do so. So is everyone else. I am not making purchases to "save the US." That certainly isn't my concern. My concern is to gift my kids good gifts that they'll be able to improve with. You don't know as much about me as you think you do, Joether. You really don't. quote: quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri You have every right to decide where you spend your income. If you don't like how a business treats its employees, you don't have to shop there. Understand, too, that employees of a particular store (doesn't matter what store) are generally not forced to work for that company (there are Mom and Pop stores that might force their kids to work at the store). Apparently, there are people who are willing to work for WalMart at the wages WalMart pays. Why? Have you been living on planet Mars, in a cave, with a blanket over yourself for the past seven years straight? I seem to recall that ever since the economy was tanking and heading towards an economic depression, its been an employer's market. I'm going to assume you know what an is defined by "employer's market". As such, obtaining a better job is tough when your competing with those with better educations than yourself for a job neither one of you would take during a good economy. So why don't they go get a job with a higher pay? Because there really are not many of those jobs right now. Anyone with a serious understanding of the employment conditions within the United States would agree with me. I know what the economy has been doing for the past 8 years or so. Thanks for the condescension, though. If there aren't jobs with higher pay, then why should they get higher pay? What merits a higher pay? quote: The difference between a 'ma & pa' store that forces their kids to work, and adults at Wal-Mart is VERY different on several different conditions: A ) The kids are STILL under the protection and guardianship of their parents until they are 18 years of age. B ) The parents can ground the kid by forcing them into MORE work without pay. C ) Wal-Mart has to follow all the laws of the land, as they'll be sued by individuals, organizations and the NLRB for a huge sum of money D ) Kids can pick up some really useful knowledge about their parent's business; a worker stacking shelves in Wal-Mart is NOT going to write the next #1 best seller book. My comment towards the Ma & Pa shop was only included to give an example of a place where someone may be forced to work, explaining the "generally" portion of my "generally not forced to work for that company" comment. It was not made to demean or debase Ma & Pa shops or the business and work principles instilled. As a matter of fact, I was recently in the company of a kid (15 years old) who works for his Dad's business who was talking to a gal I was with about the difference between him and his older sister. While his immaturity was still very much present (not any moreso for a typical 15 year old, though), his work ethic was incredible. He was not forced into working for his Dad's business, but rather enjoyed it and has gained valuable training that will serve him the rest of his life. quote: Are those people working at Wal-Mart REALLY want to work there? Why not stop by the store and ask the employees and see what you get for an answer. If they don't want to work for WalMart, why are they? What are they doing to change that situation? They are not forced to work there. They chose to work there. It may not be their ultimate desire to work there, but does that really matter? If a person isn't willing to create his or her own "dream job," then that person is reliant on others for it. If no one else creates that "dream job" for them, what right do they have to bitch about it, when they won't do it themselves?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 6:04:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Anuser Are you trolling us? Do you live in the US? Do you know what it's like to try and feed a family of 4 on 25k/year salary? Even on a 50k/year salary it'd be tough. But seriously, I cannot believe you just posited that if someone can't scrape by they don't deserve to have a Thanksgiving. Clearly, the spirit of the holiday is not lost on you. /sarcasm 25K a year??? I should be so lucky!! My income is less than half of that to keep a family of 4. And those that live in the US, the food is waay cheaper than here. The gas prices are a third of ours. quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee I also think that families having a difficult time making ends meet should be setting aside money for the holidays all year or at least in the months prior. Don't you honestly think that if those families could put something aside, they would?? Try living on my income and tell me how much you could "put aside" for something like a thanksgiving or xmas celebration. Thank whoever that we have a free healthcare system and don't celebrate thanksgiving. I thank my kids for understanding that being a Pagan we don't celebrate xmas like everyone else. Sometimes, people don't realise just how fortunate they are. Thank you for this response. I do fully believe that if more people understood how fortunate they truly are, there would be more charity for those who aren't as fortunate. My mother-in-law has given me looks because I won't ask for help from charities that are available to help. My ex and her don't understand why I won't do it because I don't want to take it so it's available for someone else who, likely, needs it more. I'll go without for now. I'd rather go to a food bank and rely on the benevolence of others than accept food stamps. If you take a look at what "living in poverty" in the US looks like and compare it to poverty in the rest of the world, those who are here would have a much different perspective. I don't want anyone to live in poverty, but that's not a choice I can make for them. There are ways out of poverty in America, and we do have social welfare programs that will help. We have too many who think they are owed something when they aren't (and that isn't a characteristic of just the less fortunate).

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 6:34:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Sometimes, people don't realise just how fortunate they are. Thank you for this response. I do fully believe that if more people understood how fortunate they truly are, there would be more charity for those who aren't as fortunate. My mother-in-law has given me looks because I won't ask for help from charities that are available to help. My ex and her don't understand why I won't do it because I don't want to take it so it's available for someone else who, likely, needs it more. I'll go without for now. I'd rather go to a food bank and rely on the benevolence of others than accept food stamps. If you take a look at what "living in poverty" in the US looks like and compare it to poverty in the rest of the world, those who are here would have a much different perspective. I don't want anyone to live in poverty, but that's not a choice I can make for them. There are ways out of poverty in America, and we do have social welfare programs that will help. We have too many who think they are owed something when they aren't (and that isn't a characteristic of just the less fortunate). I have been fortunate enough to have lived at both ends of the social scale. At one time I did have private medical insurance (because it was the 'yuppie' thing to have) and I was taking home over $5,000 a week after all deductions. If my mobile phone bill was less than $3,000 a month, I used to call them to make sure they hadn't missed something. I used to dine at swanky restaurants and thought nothing of a $500 meal for the evening. When I bought my car from the showroom, I didn't need to save up - I had it cash in my wallet. Those were the days. These days, I survive on £7,000 ($11,000) a year in benefits for my whole family. It isn't easy although I could do much better at it if we paid US prices for a lot of things. But... our healthcare system is worth loads more than I lose in other things. So for that, I am eternally grateful and I don't bitch about the $1,500 I paid in tax every week when I was earning a lot. What I find annoying are those like Aylee and her high-flying attitude that people can always afford something. ETA: I don't go to food banks or soup kitchens either. There are many worse off than me.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 7:31:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 I have been fortunate enough to have lived at both ends of the social scale. At one time I did have private medical insurance (because it was the 'yuppie' thing to have) and I was taking home over $5,000 a week after all deductions. If my mobile phone bill was less than $3,000 a month, I used to call them to make sure they hadn't missed something. I used to dine at swanky restaurants and thought nothing of a $500 meal for the evening. When I bought my car from the showroom, I didn't need to save up - I had it cash in my wallet. Those were the days. These days, I survive on £7,000 ($11,000) a year in benefits for my whole family. It isn't easy although I could do much better at it if we paid US prices for a lot of things. But... our healthcare system is worth loads more than I lose in other things. So for that, I am eternally grateful and I don't bitch about the $1,500 I paid in tax every week when I was earning a lot. What I find annoying are those like Aylee and her high-flying attitude that people can always afford something. ETA: I don't go to food banks or soup kitchens either. There are many worse off than me. I was raised in the middle and, until recently was always there. Now, I'm on the low end. That won't last though. I'm thankful there are food banks and soup kitchens available and look forward to being able to give back.

DomKen -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 8:08:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen No matter what number you find, one thing is clear, Wal-Mart pays below the industry average. That forces down wages throughout the economy and many of its retail employees do qualify for various forms of welfare. Why precisely should the US subsidize the employees of a company whose profits run into the tens of billions of dollars a year? How much does Wal-Mart, America's largest employer, contribute to this? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/18/opinion/krugman-a-permanent-slump.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=1& Demand is certainly depressed by the low wages paid to Wal-Mart employees. What happens when demand drops, Ken? Or, what should happen when demand drops? Shouldn't prices drop, too? No. That's deflation and deflation without a decrease in the money supply is a sign of an economy in its death throes. Prices shouldn't drop when demand drops? Really? What should happen when demand drops, then? Supply should decrease. Don't you know basic economics?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 9:27:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen No matter what number you find, one thing is clear, Wal-Mart pays below the industry average. That forces down wages throughout the economy and many of its retail employees do qualify for various forms of welfare. Why precisely should the US subsidize the employees of a company whose profits run into the tens of billions of dollars a year? How much does Wal-Mart, America's largest employer, contribute to this? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/18/opinion/krugman-a-permanent-slump.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=1& Demand is certainly depressed by the low wages paid to Wal-Mart employees. What happens when demand drops, Ken? Or, what should happen when demand drops? Shouldn't prices drop, too? No. That's deflation and deflation without a decrease in the money supply is a sign of an economy in its death throes. Prices shouldn't drop when demand drops? Really? What should happen when demand drops, then? Supply should decrease. Don't you know basic economics? What happens if supply doesn't decrease? Nice attitude, btw. [8D]

thishereboi -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 9:39:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Anuser Are you trolling us? Do you live in the US? Do you know what it's like to try and feed a family of 4 on 25k/year salary? Even on a 50k/year salary it'd be tough. But seriously, I cannot believe you just posited that if someone can't scrape by they don't deserve to have a Thanksgiving. Clearly, the spirit of the holiday is not lost on you. /sarcasm 25K a year??? I should be so lucky!! My income is less than half of that to keep a family of 4. And those that live in the US, the food is waay cheaper than here. The gas prices are a third of ours. How much of that income goes to the free health care you mention at the end? quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee I also think that families having a difficult time making ends meet should be setting aside money for the holidays all year or at least in the months prior. Don't you honestly think that if those families could put something aside, they would?? Try living on my income and tell me how much you could "put aside" for something like a thanksgiving or xmas celebration. I agree, it's hard enough to make the money last through the month without worrying about holidays coming up. Thank whoever that we have a free healthcare system and don't celebrate thanksgiving. Free, you mean you don't pay anything? Not even taxes? That is awesome I thank my kids for understanding that being a Pagan we don't celebrate xmas like everyone else. this is just sad Sometimes, people don't realise just how fortunate they are. yea, starting with the kids whose parents let them celebrate whether they believe or not. What is wrong with just celebrating the holiday without dragging religion into it? To cheap to buy toys?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 10:01:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Anuser Are you trolling us? Do you live in the US? Do you know what it's like to try and feed a family of 4 on 25k/year salary? Even on a 50k/year salary it'd be tough. But seriously, I cannot believe you just posited that if someone can't scrape by they don't deserve to have a Thanksgiving. Clearly, the spirit of the holiday is not lost on you. /sarcasm 25K a year??? I should be so lucky!! My income is less than half of that to keep a family of 4. And those that live in the US, the food is waay cheaper than here. The gas prices are a third of ours. How much of that income goes to the free health care you mention at the end? quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee I also think that families having a difficult time making ends meet should be setting aside money for the holidays all year or at least in the months prior. Don't you honestly think that if those families could put something aside, they would?? Try living on my income and tell me how much you could "put aside" for something like a thanksgiving or xmas celebration. I agree, it's hard enough to make the money last through the month without worrying about holidays coming up.Thank whoever that we have a free healthcare system and don't celebrate thanksgiving. Free, you mean you don't pay anything? Not even taxes? That is awesome I thank my kids for understanding that being a Pagan we don't celebrate xmas like everyone else. this is just sad Sometimes, people don't realise just how fortunate they are. yea, starting with the kids whose parents let them celebrate whether they believe or not. What is wrong with just celebrating the holiday without dragging religion into it? To cheap to buy toys? 1. From previous postings, I'm fairly sure FD's income is below the taxable line, so, there is no income taxes paid and no National Insurance tax paid. So, 0 of income is going towards the free healthcare. 2. If #1 is true, then yes, that actually is free health care. 3. What is sad about not celebrating Christmas? Obviously, a pagan doesn't get into the religious aspect of Christmas, and keeping rampant consumerism isn't a bad thing at all. That's a choice that FD is free to make, isn't it?

kdsub -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 10:05:04 AM)
Wouldn’t it be refreshing if a large box store would hire only full time employees and pay them a living wage. I bet they could still compete and make a decent profit. I’ve always thought that the worth and desirability of a job promotes loyalty…good attendance…and good job performance. These qualities would project to higher profits in my opinion. Butch

thishereboi -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 10:05:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Anuser Are you trolling us? Do you live in the US? Do you know what it's like to try and feed a family of 4 on 25k/year salary? Even on a 50k/year salary it'd be tough. But seriously, I cannot believe you just posited that if someone can't scrape by they don't deserve to have a Thanksgiving. Clearly, the spirit of the holiday is not lost on you. /sarcasm 25K a year??? I should be so lucky!! My income is less than half of that to keep a family of 4. And those that live in the US, the food is waay cheaper than here. The gas prices are a third of ours. How much of that income goes to the free health care you mention at the end? quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee I also think that families having a difficult time making ends meet should be setting aside money for the holidays all year or at least in the months prior. Don't you honestly think that if those families could put something aside, they would?? Try living on my income and tell me how much you could "put aside" for something like a thanksgiving or xmas celebration. I agree, it's hard enough to make the money last through the month without worrying about holidays coming up.Thank whoever that we have a free healthcare system and don't celebrate thanksgiving. Free, you mean you don't pay anything? Not even taxes? That is awesome I thank my kids for understanding that being a Pagan we don't celebrate xmas like everyone else. this is just sad Sometimes, people don't realise just how fortunate they are. yea, starting with the kids whose parents let them celebrate whether they believe or not. What is wrong with just celebrating the holiday without dragging religion into it? To cheap to buy toys? 1. From previous postings, I'm fairly sure FD's income is below the taxable line, so, there is no income taxes paid and no National Insurance tax paid. So, 0 of income is going towards the free healthcare. 2. If #1 is true, then yes, that actually is free health care. 3. What is sad about not celebrating Christmas? Obviously, a pagan doesn't get into the religious aspect of Christmas, and keeping rampant consumerism isn't a bad thing at all. That's a choice that FD is free to make, isn't it? It may be free for him but someone is paying for it. And it's sad for kids who are around others who do celebrate it. They see it on tv and know they are missing something. Just because someone has the right to do something doesn't mean I can't say it makes me sad.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 10:21:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi It may be free for him but someone is paying for it. True, but you asked how much of his income was going towards it. None, so it is free for him and his family. quote: And it's sad for kids who are around others who do celebrate it. They see it on tv and know they are missing something. Just because someone has the right to do something doesn't mean I can't say it makes me sad. I think you were being a bit judgmental, though. You originally said that it was sad, not that it makes you sad.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 10:23:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Wouldn’t it be refreshing if a large box store would hire only full time employees and pay them a living wage. I bet they could still compete and make a decent profit. I’ve always thought that the worth and desirability of a job promotes loyalty…good attendance…and good job performance. These qualities would project to higher profits in my opinion. Butch None of what you said was untrue, Butch. Not a bit. But, do you think Exec's don't understand loyalty, performance, attendance, etc. and how they impact profits?

mnottertail -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 10:27:31 AM)
But, do you think Exec's don't understand loyalty, performance, attendance, etc. and how they impact profits? In a small way, but in commodity businesses or in the US for the most part, they have no reason to give a fuck, there is no quid pro quo. They are not responsible for next years profit or the next, only this one and maximizing it.

Anuser -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 10:35:30 AM)
This is a thread about Thanksgiving, though. Not Christmas. We're not talking about buying iPads for the kids; we're talking about buying food for a Thanksgiving dinner. The entire point of the holiday is celebrating how hard it was to immigrate to a new country, and how generous the Native Americans were for sharing their food with the Pilgrims when they could have easily said, "If they can't put together a nice dinner for themselves then they're obviously too stupid to live and don't deserve food." I'm all for earning your keep, but don't forget that some of us are faster, stronger, smarter, prettier, etc. than others, and it's basic human decency to believe that all people, no matter how dumb or unskilled they are, deserve access to basic things like food and shelter. I'm glad that those of you who think Walmart employees don't deserve charity are well-off enough to be in that position looking down on people, however, check your privilege at the door. Not everyone was raised with the same opportunities as you were. Having good parents, role models, and educational systems is easy to take for granted until you don't have it. Try to put yourselves in someone else's shoes for once! Jesus fucking christ. I cannot believe I actually have to give this speech on a BDSM bbs of all places, but there you have it.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 10:52:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Anuser Are you trolling us? Do you live in the US? Do you know what it's like to try and feed a family of 4 on 25k/year salary? Even on a 50k/year salary it'd be tough. But seriously, I cannot believe you just posited that if someone can't scrape by they don't deserve to have a Thanksgiving. Clearly, the spirit of the holiday is not lost on you. /sarcasm 25K a year??? I should be so lucky!! My income is less than half of that to keep a family of 4. And those that live in the US, the food is waay cheaper than here. The gas prices are a third of ours. How much of that income goes to the free health care you mention at the end? quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee I also think that families having a difficult time making ends meet should be setting aside money for the holidays all year or at least in the months prior. Don't you honestly think that if those families could put something aside, they would?? Try living on my income and tell me how much you could "put aside" for something like a thanksgiving or xmas celebration. I agree, it's hard enough to make the money last through the month without worrying about holidays coming up.Thank whoever that we have a free healthcare system and don't celebrate thanksgiving. Free, you mean you don't pay anything? Not even taxes? That is awesome I thank my kids for understanding that being a Pagan we don't celebrate xmas like everyone else. this is just sad Sometimes, people don't realise just how fortunate they are. yea, starting with the kids whose parents let them celebrate whether they believe or not. What is wrong with just celebrating the holiday without dragging religion into it? To cheap to buy toys? 1. From previous postings, I'm fairly sure FD's income is below the taxable line, so, there is no income taxes paid and no National Insurance tax paid. So, 0 of income is going towards the free healthcare. 2. If #1 is true, then yes, that actually is free health care. 3. What is sad about not celebrating Christmas? Obviously, a pagan doesn't get into the religious aspect of Christmas, and keeping rampant consumerism isn't a bad thing at all. That's a choice that FD is free to make, isn't it? DS is spot-on. No, I don't pay any taxes. Anyone on income of less than $15,000pa doesn't pay any tax at all. Earnings between $15K-$35K only pay 10% tax. Above that it's 20% until you get into the $80K region. And the 'free' healthcare is paid for by our National Insurance tax which currently runs at around 8.6% for employees (only those that are working and are earning above the tax threshhold). So for me, it truly is free healthcare. But in my early days of earning shitloads, I was paying $1,500 a week in tax alone and not using the system as I was fit and healthy - but I wasn't short of a bob or two. These days, I reap the benefits of such a system. And many like me just cannot afford to celebrate. Simples. The fact that I'm a Pagan means it's a cheap date for me. lol. Even if I wasn't a Pagan, if I paid what I needed to celebrate (excluding prezzies and such), that's a week's worth of food that everyone has to go without. You make that choice - I know what I had to do.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 10:56:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Anuser This is a thread about Thanksgiving, though. Not Christmas. We're not talking about buying iPads for the kids; we're talking about buying food for a Thanksgiving dinner. The entire point of the holiday is celebrating how hard it was to immigrate to a new country, and how generous the Native Americans were for sharing their food with the Pilgrims when they could have easily said, "If they can't put together a nice dinner for themselves then they're obviously too stupid to live and don't deserve food." I'm all for earning your keep, but don't forget that some of us are faster, stronger, smarter, prettier, etc. than others, and it's basic human decency to believe that all people, no matter how dumb or unskilled they are, deserve access to basic things like food and shelter. I'm glad that those of you who think Walmart employees don't deserve charity are well-off enough to be in that position looking down on people, however, check your privilege at the door. Not everyone was raised with the same opportunities as you were. Having good parents, role models, and educational systems is easy to take for granted until you don't have it. Try to put yourselves in someone else's shoes for once! Jesus fucking christ. I cannot believe I actually have to give this speech on a BDSM bbs of all places, but there you have it. Who said WalMart employees don't deserve charity?

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 11:12:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Wouldn’t it be refreshing if a large box store would hire only full time employees and pay them a living wage. I bet they could still compete and make a decent profit. I’ve always thought that the worth and desirability of a job promotes loyalty…good attendance…and good job performance. These qualities would project to higher profits in my opinion. That's what a couple of German box stores did to the UK market. Outlets like Lidl and Netto made an absolute killing by underselling the traditional UK supermarkets. They were also popular by opening earlier and closing later. The end result was a dramatic price war and most of the bigger outlets demanding an end to the draconian Sunday Trading Laws. So what do we have now?? Much cheaper products (comparatively), less wasteful packaging, multi-buys, and 24-hour opening. I also believe that they had a hand in forcing the minimum wage laws we now have.

Yachtie -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 11:16:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Anuser The entire point of the holiday is celebrating how hard it was to immigrate to a new country, and how generous the Native Americans were for sharing their food with the Pilgrims when they could have easily said, "If they can't put together a nice dinner for themselves then they're obviously too stupid to live and don't deserve food." That's news to me. [8\|]

DomKen -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 11:30:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen No matter what number you find, one thing is clear, Wal-Mart pays below the industry average. That forces down wages throughout the economy and many of its retail employees do qualify for various forms of welfare. Why precisely should the US subsidize the employees of a company whose profits run into the tens of billions of dollars a year? How much does Wal-Mart, America's largest employer, contribute to this? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/18/opinion/krugman-a-permanent-slump.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=1& Demand is certainly depressed by the low wages paid to Wal-Mart employees. What happens when demand drops, Ken? Or, what should happen when demand drops? Shouldn't prices drop, too? No. That's deflation and deflation without a decrease in the money supply is a sign of an economy in its death throes. Prices shouldn't drop when demand drops? Really? What should happen when demand drops, then? Supply should decrease. Don't you know basic economics? What happens if supply doesn't decrease? Nice attitude, btw. [8D] Then a bunch of suppliers fail when their products don't sell. If prices go down throughout an economy, not just on the odd over produced good, that economy either has suffered a serious reduction in the money supply, as happened in 2009 and the early 1930's, or it is falling apart.

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