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The Hits Just Keep On Comin' - 11/20/2013 3:28:35 AM   
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Poor Obummer

Tell me again why a one-term senator is a good choice?

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RE: The Hits Just Keep On Comin' - 11/20/2013 3:57:47 AM   
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Poor Obummer


Sounds like a few errors in calculation initially led this issue to screwing a number of people from the subsidy. Which initially doesn't sound correct. As the ACA was designed in part for such an individual undergoing unusual set of problems. On the CNN site (to which your link posts from DaddySatyr), the White House did contact the lady in question. Which would mean someone has been tasked with researching the issue as completely as they can and make a recommendation for a correction. While I know you hate a document you have never read, I am going to guess your not cruel enough to see some lady you have never met suffer at the hands of the medical industry. Be interesting to see how they fix this problem as time proceeds. In Massachusetts, some problems have come up like this one, and it took some minor changes in the legal 'coding' to allow the problem to being removed. On a nation scale, I'm only going to venture the guess its not as easy to correct. And I think we all know how helpful Congress will be if the matter has to go to them to update the system.

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Tell me again why a one-term senator is a good choice?


Better than an old senator that couldn't decide he was a conservative or a maverick in one case. And another guy who hated 47% of the country. Heck, he hated the next 9% on top of that too....

The President didn't write the code, nor draft the final wording of the bill. Why are you blaming him for either?

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He maybe at 42%, but that's still 37% higher than the Republican Party in Congress! People are mad that the ACA rollout was met with problems. Heck, people get upset over little and stupid stuff these days. If a new IPad from Apple is released two minutes after it said it would, millions of people go ape-shit over it. Or those that didn't get the special Black Friday Deal because they were one person to late? Or those people that tear the President apart over petty things while giving Republicans a blank check over decades to do as they want; then bitch why the country is so fucked up.....

Things will get back to normal, the site will get fixed enough to work for most Americans, and we'll be dealing with the next crisis in a week or two.....



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RE: The Hits Just Keep On Comin' - 11/20/2013 4:11:13 AM   
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LOL. 

A one term senator is a good choice compared to a guy that wears magic underpants in his 60's.

I mean apples are apples, oranges are oranges.

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RE: The Hits Just Keep On Comin' - 11/20/2013 4:25:58 AM   
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Sounds like Washington state needs a kick in the arse for making that istake
The woman earns 400% over the state level for medicaid for her son, thats not Obamas fault
She earns 50,000 a year, which is way over the subsidy limit.
I guess some folks think that Obama should be personally checking EVERY americans policies and earnings and subsidy levels, and NOT leave it to the STATES to do that for his citizens
The woman wrote to him thanking him.... but somehow its his fault he didnt verify her status?
hmmmmmmmm

HOW dare he


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RE: The Hits Just Keep On Comin' - 11/20/2013 4:50:45 AM   
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Oh yes, yes it is.

If you do any reading, you will find that due to decisions by the obama administration - all subsidies were - and probably still are - a based on the honor system.

Yep. No checking at all.

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RE: The Hits Just Keep On Comin' - 11/20/2013 4:57:03 AM   
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Oh FFS, you HAVE to be kidding me.

THe fuck up is with theSTATE checking on her tax records, NOT the federal administration

utter bollocks

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RE: The Hits Just Keep On Comin' - 11/20/2013 5:17:00 AM   
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FFS yourself.

Lets just see what a breathtaking load of hogswallow that is.
So we are saying that state administrators - and presumably their computer records have a right to check my personal tax information.
Something that used to be held private.

Yeah.. Thats a great idea.

In point of fact, the federal system is supposed to provide a portal to do verification to tell the states what subsidies the person is entitled to.
Only.. they don't work.


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RE: The Hits Just Keep On Comin' - 11/20/2013 5:21:32 AM   
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but she went thru the state system, not the fed
At least that’s what the letter said that she got from the state. Now she says her dream of affordable health insurance has gone poof. She can’t afford it. She’ll have to go without. “I’m really terribly embarrassed,” she says. “It has completely turned around on me. I mean, completely.”

Chalk it up to a bollixed-up state website that apparently still has major problems. Originally it said Sanford and her child would get a whopping tax credit that would reduce their total premium to $169 a month. Now the state is telling her it goofed – twice – and she has to pay full ticket. There may even be a third goof involved: At least one health-insurance broker says she may qualify for a tax credit after all, albeit a small one. Officials at the state Healthplanfinder website could not be contacted Sunday night. But it just goes to show that even in the state of Washington, which has earned national kudos for a health-insurance exchange that seems to function better than the dysfunctional federal website, there are big, big problems.

“They have to own up to what is going on,” Sanford says. “They have to fix it. They can’t just go around and say this is working great. In my opinion they ought to shut it down and just get all of it straightened out.”

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RE: The Hits Just Keep On Comin' - 11/20/2013 5:28:27 AM   
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but she went thru the state system, not the fed
At least that’s what the letter said that she got from the state. Now she says her dream of affordable health insurance has gone poof. She can’t afford it. She’ll have to go without. “I’m really terribly embarrassed,” she says. “It has completely turned around on me. I mean, completely.”

Chalk it up to a bollixed-up state website that apparently still has major problems. Originally it said Sanford and her child would get a whopping tax credit that would reduce their total premium to $169 a month. Now the state is telling her it goofed – twice – and she has to pay full ticket. There may even be a third goof involved: At least one health-insurance broker says she may qualify for a tax credit after all, albeit a small one. Officials at the state Healthplanfinder website could not be contacted Sunday night. But it just goes to show that even in the state of Washington, which has earned national kudos for a health-insurance exchange that seems to function better than the dysfunctional federal website, there are big, big problems.

“They have to own up to what is going on,” Sanford says. “They have to fix it. They can’t just go around and say this is working great. In my opinion they ought to shut it down and just get all of it straightened out.”


And again I tell you. Sure, the states had to build their own systems. And there are errors in them)
But the states in and of themselves do not have the legal authority to check federal tax returns. That information is provided by the fed back end.

Which doesn't work.

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RE: The Hits Just Keep On Comin' - 11/20/2013 5:41:09 AM   
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Yeah, that is pretty much howling at the moon, since Washington state tax returns could be used as they are in Minnesota to verify income.  However there is no requirement to verify those stated incomes by states until 2014 (or 2015; the reports are unclear, and I am not gonna sift it), other than random sampling.  In which case they will be paying back the subsidy, if they are found to be incorrect.

So, I wouldn't get too far afield with your rather farcical theory passed off as learned fact, sport.

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RE: The Hits Just Keep On Comin' - 11/20/2013 5:44:32 AM   
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah..I see, ok ... you are just discussing...checking tax records, then I apologise for getting that part wrong, lol

Washington is one of 14 states that went its own way, building its own site rather than relying on what turned out to be an error-plagued federal system. Although a computer glitch shut down the Washington Healthplanfinder website the first day, by Oct. 3, with the help of a broker, Sanford managed to enroll in a “gold”-level health plan offered by Premera Blue Cross.

The state health exchange publicly revealed a grevious error – its tax-credit calculations were all wrong. The state had been submitting monthly income information to the federal data hub, but the federal computers were expecting an annual figure. Suppose a person claimed an income of $50,000 a year — the tax credit was based on an income of $4,166 a year. The higher the income, the bigger the error. Brokers say they caught the mistake right off the bat and tried flagging it to the state’s attention, but for some reason it took the state three weeks to acknowledge it. So everyone who purchased a subsidized health insurance policy through the Washington state exchange prior to Oct. 23 was quoted too low a rate. The mistake involved 4,600 policies covering 8,000 people – Sanford’s policy was one of them.
Four days after President Obama made his address, The state sent a letter saying mistakes were made. And so she went back to her broker and tried again. They went over her income and made a more careful calculation of her business tax write-offs. But this time the website showed she qualified for a much lower tax credit, just $110.

Sanford had managed to save enough money for half of the first month’s payment when she got another letter from the state last week. It had goofed again. She qualified for no tax credit at all
The hitch was that the website told her that her income was low enough that she could enroll her son in the state Medicaid program for children of low-income families, known as Apple Health. For that she would have to pay a premium of just $30 a month. She could enroll him right away, and she did. But that created a problem. When she enrolled Ryan in Medicaid, she couldn’t count him toward a tax credit. Not that the website mentioned it. In fact, it gave her the opposite impression.

Once the new health insurance policy kicked in on Jan. 1, the premium was supposed to be $280 a month, plus, she assumed, the Medicaid premium. But after she signed up for a policy, and after she gave her credit-card information, she got a letter from the state last week saying that her income was too high to qualify for subsidies – the cutoff is $44,680 for a single adult, 400 percent of the federal poverty level. So she would get no help from the feds at all.

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RE: The Hits Just Keep On Comin' - 11/20/2013 5:46:08 AM   
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Yeah, that is pretty much howling at the moon, since Washington state tax returns could be used as they are in Minnesota to verify income.  However there is no requirement to verify those stated incomes by states until 2014 (or 2015; the reports are unclear, and I am not gonna sift it), other than random sampling.  In which case they will be paying back the subsidy, if they are found to be incorrect.

So, I wouldn't get too far afield with your rather farcical theory passed off as learned fact, sport.


You're repeating my point. There is *no* requirement to verify - because they can't. And its causing problems.

Regarding the state tax returns - sorry. Not eligible to be used to very eligility for aca. Read the statute.
Moronic but true.

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RE: The Hits Just Keep On Comin' - 11/20/2013 5:55:40 AM   
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No, you are making my point.   They can verify with their state equivalent to IRS.  IF THEY CHOSE TO DO SO.

States rights, freedom of choice, rugged individualism, whatever you wanna call it.

But remember kids, lie, and it is gonna be a great moneymaker for the government.

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RE: The Hits Just Keep On Comin' - 11/20/2013 6:02:52 AM   
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No, you are making my point.   They can verify with their state equivalent to IRS.  IF THEY CHOSE TO DO SO.

States rights, freedom of choice, rugged individualism, whatever you wanna call it.

But remember kids, lie, and it is gonna be a great moneymaker for the government.

Gotta love capitalism.


Again.. they *can't*. The statute doesn't allow state returns as a proxy to determine income.

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RE: The Hits Just Keep On Comin' - 11/20/2013 6:12:28 AM   
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I already admitted I was wrong on saying they checked her tax forms
why dont you get with the topic...

The state health exchange publicly revealed a grevious error – its tax-credit calculations were all wrong. The state had been submitting monthly income information to the federal data hub, but the federal computers were expecting an annual figure. Suppose a person claimed an income of $50,000 a year — the tax credit was based on an income of $4,166 a year. The higher the income, the bigger the error. Brokers say they caught the mistake right off the bat and tried flagging it to the state’s attention, but for some reason it took the state three weeks to acknowledge it. So everyone who purchased a subsidized health insurance policy through the Washington state exchange prior to Oct. 23 was quoted too low a rate.

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RE: The Hits Just Keep On Comin' - 11/20/2013 6:14:40 AM   
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I already admitted I was wrong on saying they checked her tax forms
why dont you get with the topic...

The state health exchange publicly revealed a grevious error – its tax-credit calculations were all wrong. The state had been submitting monthly income information to the federal data hub, but the federal computers were expecting an annual figure. Suppose a person claimed an income of $50,000 a year — the tax credit was based on an income of $4,166 a year. The higher the income, the bigger the error. Brokers say they caught the mistake right off the bat and tried flagging it to the state’s attention, but for some reason it took the state three weeks to acknowledge it. So everyone who purchased a subsidized health insurance policy through the Washington state exchange prior to Oct. 23 was quoted too low a rate.


Hey Lucy -
My comments weren't to you - they were to Mnotter.

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RE: The Hits Just Keep On Comin' - 11/20/2013 6:24:27 AM   
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No, you are making my point.   They can verify with their state equivalent to IRS.  IF THEY CHOSE TO DO SO.

States rights, freedom of choice, rugged individualism, whatever you wanna call it.

But remember kids, lie, and it is gonna be a great moneymaker for the government.

Gotta love capitalism.


Again.. they *can't*. The statute doesn't allow state returns as a proxy to determine income.


LOL. bullshit.  I signed in and up in MNSURE.  and they asked me questions about things that were on my income taxs over the course of many years.   And they told me I was ineligible, since I already had Obamacare since the early 70's.

Credible citations to support your incredible asswipe are not forthcoming as usual.  

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RE: The Hits Just Keep On Comin' - 11/20/2013 7:52:24 AM   
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Strange also that yahoo has removed the story linked in the "in other news"

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RE: The Hits Just Keep On Comin' - 11/20/2013 7:55:24 AM   
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The hits just keep on comin, Lucy; don't they?

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RE: The Hits Just Keep On Comin' - 11/20/2013 8:00:37 AM   
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I just read the fubar over the "gettysburg adress faux pas" that isnt
LMFAO
And all the walking back they are having to do, it would be hysterical if it wasnt so pitiful


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