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3rd person speach. Not a rant, a question - 11/18/2004 2:29:06 PM

perverseangelic

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For those of you who use 3rd person speach in your online presentation-

I was wondering, do you use it in realtime as well? All the time? In what occations?

Just plain curious.

Thank you!

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RE: 3rd person speach. Not a rant, a question - 11/18/2004 4:23:06 PM

Mercnbeth

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quote:

For those of you who use 3rd person speach in your online presentation-

I was wondering, do you use it in realtime as well?

yes

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All the time?

yes

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In what occations?

there have been a few isolated occasions that Master has deemed the use of third person speech inappropriate. business dinners that were casual enough to include "spouses and significant others" and get togethers with certain relatives that are unaware of our M/s relationship. other than that it is expected at all times, private or public.

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RE: 3rd person speach. Not a rant, a question - 11/18/2004 5:32:42 PM

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In this girls case her Lord wants her to post in third person but in RL she is to talk regular sence she has a daughter that we wish not to curupted yet.( lol)

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RE: 3rd person speach. Not a rant, a question - 11/18/2004 5:36:43 PM

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This girl uses 3rd person only at High Protocol Functions. This being the only time her Lord feels it is necessary. The rest of the time, I am I and can say so and I can address issues as an equal in rights, if not in status. I have a very loving Lord.

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RE: 3rd person speach. Not a rant, a question - 11/19/2004 12:44:52 AM

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this slave is to speak third person in her r/l life unless there is vanilla company present, she's at work, or any time she feels someO/one may put off by it.

this slave prefers to speak third person both online and in her r/l life, but only because she feels more comfortable doing so. Master has stipulated that at any time she is told not to she is to tell the Dom/Domme that Master requires it of her for the most part, but like a few here He has said at work, when vanilla company is present or at a business meeting that it is not necessary then.

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RE: 3rd person speach. Not a rant, a question - 11/19/2004 2:10:09 AM

darkinshadows

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quote:

ORIGINAL: perverseangelic

For those of you who use 3rd person speach in your online presentation-

I was wondering, do you use it in realtime as well? All the time? In what occations?

Just plain curious.

Thank you!

Firstly... thankyou for your curiosity!

Angel speaks in the 3rd person within the 'realtime' perspective and also speaks 1st person. One has learnt that people do tend to feel uncomfortable when hearing the 3rd person conversations and if a person is completely put off by such and it is a person I respect, then I will converse in the way they lead. Angel admits that the more submissive she is towards a person, the stronger 3rd Person speach becomes. It is also wonderful to speak in 3rd person to a non lifestyle person and see the reaction of pleasure at times(thats a little 'selfish' I know... *G*)
Personally Angel has found that by 'mixing' the two, I can be both true to myself and the identity I feel as well as well as not making others, both inside and outside Lifestyle, uncomfortable. I have actually found it a great conversation starter in new meetings.

I hope this perspective helps.

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RE: 3rd person speach. Not a rant, a question - 11/19/2004 4:56:27 AM

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My Lifestyle is Me.

Having said that, and being a person that does NOT hide My Lifestyle choices from the public My slaves all speak in third person at ALL times, My slaves do not sit on furniture but kneel on the floor beside Me at all times rather in private or public and no one and I mean NO ONE has no doubt what or who We are and what We * choose * to practice. I am a nonconformist and I do not accomidate societys whims spacifically because society does not accomidate Mine. When I am out in the public My slaves act as I see fit not how the public sees fit. That is what a PE 24/7 is about and why Our Lifestyle is called * Alternate *. I feel that in order to teach society to become * tolerate * of those things and people whom are different then their selfs one must show those differances so that acceptablity can be learned or in the least tolerated even if it is not sumthing that is accepted by others. We live in or at least I live in a place where people are basically *Free* and being such We all have the right, no the obligation to show that which is Our differances so that all can be properly educated in to what WE as a society live with and accept as Concensual Adults and for Our Familys in Our Lifestyle and show Our acceptance of such differances even if what it is being done by others with in Our community is not for Us. And this is not a age issue because it is not a sexual one unless you make it such and those whom incorperate their lifestyle into every day living would have no issue showing such to either adult or child in My opinion if it is practiced properly and it is taught that this is a choice, and one a child need not choose as a adult but that it is one that either the family or parents or joe shooo down the street has chose to live and its ok for them or for Us even if others do not accept it. Children are way easier to teach tolerance and acceptance of things that are different from their lifes if done so in a manner that shows them that its not bad because they are a part of a family whom practices such and just different. It would be no differant then say christians celebrating their holidays and ways and the jewish celebrating their holidays and ways or say even the jahova witnesses whom do not celebrate holidays and its their ways which are all differant but have been taught to be acceptable but different from what that child lives and learns. Think of regular society whom would take away a familys children because that family could not afford to pay the utilities bills and yet let the children of the religious sects whom live with out utilities as a way of life and their children are not wisked out of their homes because of such. Its how you choose to live Your life and how you impress about your self to others around you what is right and wrong and that Lifestyles are learned and taught and We all have a choice to either teach it properly and in a way thats accepting of others or to show it in a bad life or to treat it like it is a bad thing and the children are very aware and inept of your own personal feelings of what it is that you practice. You have to realize if you your self treat what you do as a dirty deed or act like if its sumthing that is found out about you, your life with end or you openly treat it like it is a ok action and show your enjoyment of such a life and pass on that understanding to your children. You have to check your own feelings and choices and ways and determine if what you do is only because its sumthing thats a kink in the bedroom or if this is actually a lifestyle choice which covers your whole life. There is nothing wrong with enjoying a kink here online or in the bedroom if thats all that you desire for it to be but learn to be tolerant of those of Us whom practice our PE at ALL times and know and teach your kids and family that its simply sumthing different from what you choose to accept however it is sumthing that was a choice for those involved and to be accepting of what they see that is different from the norm of things. If a concensual slave openlys speaks in the manners accepted by Our community in other communitys then those other communitys will learn that this is a accepted practice in Our community and things like the public wearing of belovided kolars or a slave whom kneels next to their Owner when said Owner is sitting shows that the slave has * chosen* of free will to do this action and cares not what the society around them think of their actions but that what is the most important issue at hand is that they slave has made its Owner happy in subjudicating its will at ALL times to that which * THEY* choose to as slave. Just in My little hick town of a community where I live here in the good Ol US of A there has been a influx of those folks whom have come out in the public eye showing all the differances and likenesses they have in general since My arrival and being so different and many come up to My slaves and ask why do they do this or that and their reply is because it makes them proud to do that which gives Me pleasure, and it wakes up peoples minds and hearts to just how much we all have in common and also what our differances are that others can, no must learn to be accomidating and tolerant to in the world We live in today. None of Us can afford anymore to be pushed back into the closet and have Our rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness oppressed. JMO

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RE: 3rd person speach. Not a rant, a question - 11/19/2004 7:51:16 AM

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I have a question to the same people along the same line as the first.

When or why was it decided to use possesive third person versus non-possesive third person when in context of seperationist speech? Such as this slave versus that slave. In goal of identity sacrifice save from full identity and subjective neuter as "it" wouldn't "that slave" be more appropriate in that by saying "this slave" you are still claiming partial ownership and a relation to self. Even more so when refering to yourself by name, which is very self assertive and self posessive.

Again this isn't an attack on the practice just a question from a purely linguistics point of view.

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RE: 3rd person speach. Not a rant, a question - 11/19/2004 8:27:26 AM

Mercnbeth

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afmvdp,
this and that do not refer to posession, but to location:

this = the person, thing, or idea that is present or near in place, time, or thought or that has just been mentioned OR
the one nearer or more immediately under observation or discussion

that = the one farther away or less immediately under observation or discussion

this slave, the one that is here and sharing her thoughts, does not understand how referring to herself as "that" slave would indicate any less of a posessive linguistic stance.

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RE: 3rd person speach. Not a rant, a question - 11/19/2004 9:29:55 AM

afmvdp

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position is correct but in the usage in words such as decriptors in third person relate to the identity of self. Again, it was just a question as to the relationship between the goal and the necessity. If the goal is to seperate the self from ones self then even a denotation of position would seem too possesive.

No worries. I think i'm just getting too existentialist on here again.

haha...on a sidenote I think it's just my sadistic streak that started this as the idea forcing someone to refer to themselves from a nonpositional, nonposseive third person would be too fun. That or a possive 2nd person plural. Confuse time and space all together.

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RE: 3rd person speach. Not a rant, a question - 11/19/2004 9:31:18 AM

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As my slave mentioned she will speak in 3rd person when possible. I respect her daughter and her being of an age where she definitely wouldn't understand this lifestyle. So when possible ileana will speak in 3rd person.

This isn't really a chore or task for her, she loves doing it because it makes her feel how truly owned she is deep inside. It gives her that warm fuzzy feeling and I am most glad it does lol. To see her train herself in this mode of speech has been very rewarding for us both.. It makes me smile to read her corrospondance(sp) and even RT to see her kneeling, eyes down cast as she addresses herself properly.

As someone else said though , in vanilla company I don't want her to do it.. This is something personal between her and I. We will also engage in this in the chat channels as well when we are apart. I don't believe in flaunting our lifestyle in the vannilla public mainly because we can't afford the consequences of the prejudiced society within the scope of our personal issues we have to contend with.

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RE: 3rd person speach. Not a rant, a question - 11/19/2004 1:36:22 PM

sub4hire

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quote:

I was wondering, do you use it in realtime as well? All the time? In what occations?

I have a hard enough time speaking english as it is. Let alone to then butcher what I already don't know.

Did that make sense?

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RE: 3rd person speach. Not a rant, a question - 11/20/2004 8:45:19 AM

masteroffire

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again a question that is going to vary much, as personal preference does. I do require my slaves to speak in this manner unless around those who do not know of the nature of the relationship. Again, everyone will have a different opinion, but that is mine.

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RE: 3rd person speach. Not a rant, a question - 11/20/2004 10:21:27 AM

perverseangelic

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quote:

ORIGINAL: masteroffire

again a question that is going to vary much, as personal preference does. I do require my slaves to speak in this manner unless around those who do not know of the nature of the relationship. Again, everyone will have a different opinion, but that is mine.

-Why-? What does it do for you?

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RE: 3rd person speach. Not a rant, a question - 11/20/2004 10:46:14 AM

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quote:

quote:

ORIGINAL: masteroffire

again a question that is going to vary much, as personal preference does. I do require my slaves to speak in this manner unless around those who do not know of the nature of the relationship. Again, everyone will have a different opinion, but that is mine.

-Why-? What does it do for you?

I am not masteroffire but I just have to throw my two cents in. What does it do for a person? Well, it makes them very hard to understand. I know, many posts I just do not read from some.
It also humiliates the person if they get too carried away and cannot turn it off in public scenerios. I know just from my own experience I certainly would get carried away from time to time. Because I do with certain things I do.

I've always thought of it in a certain way. Be all you can be. The idea in my head of a good Dominant is someone who tries to better their submissives. One who wants them to do better in life and helps them strive to that point. Not pulls them back down.
As I stated in an earlier post. I don't feel I have the english language mastered yet. Let alone to trash what I already know.

On the other hand I do realize people are into roleplaying..and the third person speech is just another role playing exercise. Except when it starts to damage self esteem when carried into the wrong circles.

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RE: 3rd person speach. Not a rant, a question - 11/20/2004 11:31:02 AM

saris

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This slave speaks in this manner in real life unless doing so is inapporpriate or would create confustion. it always speaks this way when its Owner is present. This slave and its Owner often display this mannerism in public, not always, but often.

This one also is not allowed to use furniture, or a bed unless Goddess gives it permission to do so.

This slave is also labeled as an object, but not in such a way as to humiliate it.

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RE: 3rd person speach. Not a rant, a question - 11/21/2004 8:38:05 PM

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i do that only when i've either 1. lost my mind. or 2. am making fun of myself

isn't a bit odd if you speak in the 3rd person while refering to yourself like you two a split personality while at the same time you know you don't?

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RE: 3rd person speach. Not a rant, a question - 11/21/2004 8:54:52 PM

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quote:

This slave speaks in this manner in real life unless doing so is inapporpriate or would create confustion.

Well to me it *always* creates confusion, and it does to many others on the board. Would that not mean according to your rules you shouldn't use it?

quote:

This slave is also labeled as an object, but not in such a way as to humiliate it.

This comment is even more confusing,, what *is* being an object if not a method of humilating/dehumanizing?

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RE: 3rd person speach. Not a rant, a question - 11/22/2004 9:09:02 AM

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This girl appreciates your question. It's valid and probably one of the most
polite ways this girl has seen. So thank you for that. This girl's thoughts are
below.

This girl uses 3rd person speech for one reason. Master likes it.

Does it bother some? you bet, read some of the postings here on collarme where this
girl and others have taken a "bashing" for it.

Does it matter that others do not care for it?
Nope not one bit, this girl is doing what her Master likes, to hell with the rest.

Does this girl use it 24/7? Actually no. However with that said, Estimated amount would
be about 75% when in the company of others depending on who they are, 100% when
it's just Master and stormi.

Bottom line is, while it is confusing for some, while it may seem like butchering the english
language (*which by the way everyone with an accent including Texans do) to others, until
there is a rule or protocol that says it's just too much to ask that someone be tolerant of what
a slave/sub does to please their Master/Dom or for that matter thier Lord, it is suspected that
it will continue. Personally, this girl does not understanding addressing someone as "my Lord" or
"Lord so & so" but hey, it's their right, and this girl respects that. Here's a thought,
IF you don't understand what someone is saying in 3rd person, ask them - off board. Just
because we use 3rd person does not mean that we are unable to converse with anyone in a
normal setting. If you don't get what this girl is saying email her or her Master,
both emails are available for anyone asking a question. Believe it or not....

After all isn't that supposed to be the big belief (atleast to a person's face) that we are all
accepting of everyone else's style? That we simply think it's fabulous if someone is Gorean,
BDSM/Leather, Switch/Dom/Master/Mistress, skinny/fat/plump, short/tall, speaks in first/third
person!! While the majority seem to be willing to say it's ok, very few practice what they preach.
There are plenty who refuse to accept or think that anything other than their way is the right way.
That is the one truly sad thing about this life style that is supposed to be built on honesty and
acceptance to hear most talk. Problem is there is not enough of either.

Just this girl's two pennies worth.

stormi
property of Master Bear
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RE: 3rd person speach. Not a rant, a question - 11/22/2004 9:20:53 AM

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quote:

On the other hand I do realize people are into roleplaying..and the third person speech is just another role playing exercise. Except when it starts to damage self esteem when carried into the wrong circles.

I really have to beg to differ here. Angel speaks in third person, not as some 'role' but because its what she is. Yes I agree that for some it is aids any 'roleplaying' if that is what a person is into. But for others, like Angel, it just ... happens. Theres no conditioning... it feels comfortable... it pleases those as a submissive one wishes to please and makes for great conversations like this!

Angel doesnt 'roleplay' ... she is just herself.

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