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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/26/2013 12:34:36 PM   
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The Republican lack of economic oversight and regulation led to the great recession. As a party, its members have learned nothing either about economics or foreign policy. Instead of improving their ideas of government administration, they are actually doubling down on bad policies.


Bullshit.

The housing bubble was founded in policies established by under clinton - Community redevelopment act of 1993 that REQUIRED banks to make 20% of its loans subprime loans to disadvantaged minorities - knowing these loans could not be paid back.

Do you ever get tired of lying? A subprime mortgage is not a mortgage known to not be repayable. Most were. Strangely the recession was not caused by a bunch of loans issued between 1993 and 2000 going bad.

Only after W took office and the GOP controlled the whole of the federal government did these mortgage issuers start selling mortgages designed to be defaulted on. That's why the collapse occurred in 2008.

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/26/2013 6:28:57 PM   
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The truth of the matter is that the bill that the democrats had couldn't even pass their own caucus, let alone the Congress.

The changes to the bill were made in back room deals within the democratic caucus, in order to secure votes with in their own caucus.


If it didn't past the caucus, how did it become law? An if it become law, how did those Democrats get elected back into office? Or the President? Keep making up that total bullshit....



You were talking about the *ORIGINAL* bill - the mana from heaven that obama presented. That they presented to the evil republicans. You claimed that it was an effort to appease the REPUBLICANS that caused the bill to be modified.

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Which, of course, is bullshit. As I said in my reply, the bill was modified because it they coudln't get the democrat votes.




Its true that Democrats had to revise the plan the President gave them behind close door sessions. More to keep the lobbyist from influencing the process than anything else. Or are you going to tell me that lobbyists have very little political clout in Washington, D.C. these days?

Straw man. You're supposing a reason that it was done in back rooms.

When in fact the evidence suggests that the reason to do the negotiations behind closed doors was to do the arm twisting and bribing necessary to get the bill passed.

Or to quote pelosi " you have to pass the bill to find out whats in it".....
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To refresh your memory I suggestion you google 'the louisiana purchase', the nebraska bribe, and "buying of the AARP". While you're at it - why don't you go look at the first pharma group that obama cut a deal with.


An why should I reread any of this material?


Why, so it isn't so patently easy to prove that you are a johnny come lately to the ACA debate.
So you can educate yourself on what really happened in the making of the bill.

Here's a few more suggestions for you..

Do you know who Stupak was? For the record he was a democrat. Go google what role he had.
While you're at it - go look at the july 2010 federal register where the CBO estimates that up to 80% of employer health care coverage would be lost.

While you're at it - go look at the draft of the rules put out by sibelious about two years ago where the regulations were first promulgated that CAUSED those losses.

Until you have done a modicum of reading on the subject - you're just a talking point regurgitating tyro.

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/26/2013 6:36:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


The Republican lack of economic oversight and regulation led to the great recession. As a party, its members have learned nothing either about economics or foreign policy. Instead of improving their ideas of government administration, they are actually doubling down on bad policies.


Bullshit.

The housing bubble was founded in policies established by under clinton - Community redevelopment act of 1993 that REQUIRED banks to make 20% of its loans subprime loans to disadvantaged minorities - knowing these loans could not be paid back.

Do you ever get tired of lying? A subprime mortgage is not a mortgage known to not be repayable. Most were. Strangely the recession was not caused by a bunch of loans issued between 1993 and 2000 going bad.

Only after W took office and the GOP controlled the whole of the federal government did these mortgage issuers start selling mortgages designed to be defaulted on. That's why the collapse occurred in 2008.



LOL.. These loans were not made originally because they did not meet the banks requirements for being a good risk. Ie., good credit score. Reasonable equity to value. Reasonable debt service margins.

And if you did *any* reading on this subject you would know that, yes, indeed, the banks knew this was a house of cards.
Jaime Dimon (sp) famously said it in hearings to congress.

The comment about "the republicans ..... mortgages to be defaulted on" is so fatuous as to not need to be further addressed.


I note that you did not dispute one iota either - that the community redevelopment was passed under clinton. That it mandated a volume of subprime loans. That democratic groups picketed banks and their ceo's. That fannie and freddie, headed by democrats increased purchases of these subprime loans.

And that these organizations overwhelmingly donated to democrats.

Nor do you dispute that there has been no criminal investigation.



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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/26/2013 7:37:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


The Republican lack of economic oversight and regulation led to the great recession. As a party, its members have learned nothing either about economics or foreign policy. Instead of improving their ideas of government administration, they are actually doubling down on bad policies.


Bullshit.

The housing bubble was founded in policies established by under clinton - Community redevelopment act of 1993 that REQUIRED banks to make 20% of its loans subprime loans to disadvantaged minorities - knowing these loans could not be paid back.

Do you ever get tired of lying? A subprime mortgage is not a mortgage known to not be repayable. Most were. Strangely the recession was not caused by a bunch of loans issued between 1993 and 2000 going bad.

Only after W took office and the GOP controlled the whole of the federal government did these mortgage issuers start selling mortgages designed to be defaulted on. That's why the collapse occurred in 2008.



LOL.. These loans were not made originally because they did not meet the banks requirements for being a good risk. Ie., good credit score. Reasonable equity to value. Reasonable debt service margins.

And if you did *any* reading on this subject you would know that, yes, indeed, the banks knew this was a house of cards.
Jaime Dimon (sp) famously said it in hearings to congress.

The comment about "the republicans ..... mortgages to be defaulted on" is so fatuous as to not need to be further addressed.

subprime loans were being made from 1993 to 2000. they were not being defaulted on en masse. After 2000 something changed, W was appointed, and predatory lenders destroyed the world economy.

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/26/2013 8:38:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


The Republican lack of economic oversight and regulation led to the great recession. As a party, its members have learned nothing either about economics or foreign policy. Instead of improving their ideas of government administration, they are actually doubling down on bad policies.


Bullshit.

The housing bubble was founded in policies established by under clinton - Community redevelopment act of 1993 that REQUIRED banks to make 20% of its loans subprime loans to disadvantaged minorities - knowing these loans could not be paid back.

Do you ever get tired of lying? A subprime mortgage is not a mortgage known to not be repayable. Most were. Strangely the recession was not caused by a bunch of loans issued between 1993 and 2000 going bad.

Only after W took office and the GOP controlled the whole of the federal government did these mortgage issuers start selling mortgages designed to be defaulted on. That's why the collapse occurred in 2008.



LOL.. These loans were not made originally because they did not meet the banks requirements for being a good risk. Ie., good credit score. Reasonable equity to value. Reasonable debt service margins.

And if you did *any* reading on this subject you would know that, yes, indeed, the banks knew this was a house of cards.
Jaime Dimon (sp) famously said it in hearings to congress.

The comment about "the republicans ..... mortgages to be defaulted on" is so fatuous as to not need to be further addressed.

subprime loans were being made from 1993 to 2000. they were not being defaulted on en masse. After 2000 something changed, W was appointed, and predatory lenders destroyed the world economy.



So you agree the failed policy had its roots under clinton (1993). Good. We're starting to make progress.

So now - please tell me exactly what republican policy resulted in the mass defaults. I'm all ears.



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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/26/2013 9:01:39 PM   
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So you agree the failed policy had its roots under clinton (1993). Good. We're starting to make progress.

No. I'm just making the point that the law you attack was not the cause as proved by the evidence. That of course is the case since there was no such thing as the Community Redevelopment Act. Maybe you meant the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 or maybe you simply made it up as usual?

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So now - please tell me exactly what republican policy resulted in the mass defaults. I'm all ears.
Failing to enforce numerous laws against predatory lending including the CRA of 1977. Also the failure of the SEC and banking inspectors to enforce laws on securities and on bank reserves.

So now that we have established that you don't know shit about another subject...

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/26/2013 11:07:01 PM   
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So you agree the failed policy had its roots under clinton (1993). Good. We're starting to make progress.

No. I'm just making the point that the law you attack was not the cause as proved by the evidence. That of course is the case since there was no such thing as the Community Redevelopment Act. Maybe you meant the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 or maybe you simply made it up as usual?

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So now - please tell me exactly what republican policy resulted in the mass defaults. I'm all ears.
Failing to enforce numerous laws against predatory lending including the CRA of 1977. Also the failure of the SEC and banking inspectors to enforce laws on securities and on bank reserves.

So now that we have established that you don't know shit about another subject...




Oh, so sorry. Proposed in 1993, and passed in 1995.

Legislative changes 1992

Although minor amendments were made directly to the Community Reinvestment Act concerning the consideration of minority and female owned institutions & partnerships during evaluations first established in 1991, other portions of the Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act of 1992 indirectly affected the CRA practices at the time in requiring Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the two government sponsored enterprises that purchase and securitize mortgages, to devote a percentage of their lending to support affordable housing.[4]
Legislative changes 1994

The Riegle-Neal Interstate Banking and Branching Efficiency Act of 1994, which repealed restrictions on interstate banking, listed the Community Reinvestment Act ratings received by the out-of-state bank as a consideration when determining whether to allow interstate branches.[49][50]

According to Bernanke, a surge in bank merger and acquisition activities followed the passing of the act, and advocacy groups increasingly used the public comment process to protest bank applications on Community Reinvestment Act grounds. When applications were highly contested, federal agencies held public hearings to allow public comment on the bank's lending record. In response many institutions established separate business units and subsidiary corporations to facilitate CRA-related lending. Local and regional public-private partnerships and multi-bank loan consortia were formed to expand and manage such CRA-related lending.[4]
Regulatory changes 1995

In July 1993, President Bill Clinton asked regulators to reform the CRA in order to make examinations more consistent, clarify performance standards, and reduce cost and compliance burden.[51] Robert Rubin, the Assistant to the President for Economic Policy, under President Clinton, explained that this was in line with President Clinton's strategy to "deal with the problems of the inner city and distressed rural communities". Discussing the reasons for the Clinton administration's proposal to strengthen the CRA and further reduce red-lining, Lloyd Bentsen, Secretary of the Treasury at that time, affirmed his belief that availability of credit should not depend on where a person lives, "The only thing that ought to matter on a loan application is whether or not you can pay it back, not where you live." Bentsen said that the proposed changes would "make it easier for lenders to show how they're complying with the Community Reinvestment Act", and "cut back a lot of the paperwork and the cost on small business loans".[36]

By early 1995, the proposed CRA regulations were substantially revised to address criticisms that the regulations, and the agencies' implementation of them through the examination process to date, were too process-oriented, burdensome, and not sufficiently focused on actual results.[52] The CRA examination process itself was reformed to incorporate the pending changes.[40] Information about banking institutions' CRA ratings was made available via web page for public review as well.[36] The Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC) also moved to revise its regulation structure allowing lenders subject to the CRA to claim community development loan credits for loans made to help finance the environmental cleanup or redevelopment of industrial sites when it was part of an effort to revitalize the low- and moderate-income community where the site was located.[53]

During one of the Congressional hearings addressing the proposed changes in 1995, William A. Niskanen, chair of the Cato Institute, criticized both the 1993 and 1994 sets of proposals for political favoritism in allocating credit, for micromanagement by regulators and for the lack of assurances that banks would not be expected to operate at a loss to achieve CRA compliance. He predicted the proposed changes would be very costly to the economy and the banking system in general. Niskanen believed that the primary long term effect would be an artificial contraction of the banking system. Niskanen recommended Congress repeal the Act.[54]

Niskanen's, and other respondents to the proposed changes, voiced their concerns during the public comment & testimony periods in late 1993 through early 1995. In response to the aggregate concerns recorded by then, the Federal financial supervisory agencies (the OCC, FRB, FDIC, and OTS) made further clarifications relating to definition, assessment, ratings and scope; sufficiently resolving many of the issues raised in the process. The agencies jointly reported their final amended regulations for implementing the Community Reinvestment Act in the Federal Register on May 4, 1995. The final amended regulations replaced the existing CRA regulations in their entirety.[55] (See the notes in the "1995" column of Table I. for the specifics)

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/26/2013 11:13:50 PM   
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As for "republican policies"

A proximate cause was the rise in subprime lending. The percentage of lower-quality subprime mortgages originated during a given year rose from the historical 8% or lower range to approximately 20% from 2004 to 2006, with much higher ratios in some parts of the U.S.[3][4] A high percentage of these subprime mortgages, over 90% in 2006 for example, were adjustable-rate mortgages.[5] These two changes were part of a broader trend of lowered lending standards and higher-risk mortgage products.[5][6] Further, U.S. households had become increasingly indebted, with the ratio of debt to disposable personal income rising from 77% in 1990 to 127% at the end of 2007, much of this increase mortgage-related.[7]

When U.S. home prices declined steeply after peaking in mid-2006, it became more difficult for borrowers to refinance their loans. As adjustable-rate mortgages began to reset at higher interest rates (causing higher monthly payments), mortgage delinquencies soared. Securities backed with mortgages, including subprime mortgages, widely held by financial firms globally, lost most of their value. Global investors also drastically reduced purchases of mortgage-backed debt and other securities as part of a decline in the capacity and willingness of the private financial system to support lending.[3]

etween 2004–2006 the share of subprime mortgages relative to total originations ranged from 18%–21%, versus less than 10% in 2001–2003 and during 2007.[28][29] The boom in mortgage lending, including subprime lending, was also driven by a fast expansion of non-bank independent mortgage originators which despite their smaller share (around 25 percent in 2002) in the market have contributed to around 50 percent of the increase in mortgage credit between 2003 and 2005.[30] In the third quarter of 2007, subprime ARMs making up only 6.8% of USA mortgages outstanding also accounted for 43% of the foreclosures which began during that quarter.[31]

By October 2007, approximately 16% of subprime adjustable rate mortgages (ARM) were either 90-days delinquent or the lender had begun foreclosure proceedings, roughly triple the rate of 2005.[32] By January 2008, the delinquency rate had risen to 21%[33] and by May 2008 it was 25%.[34]

According to RealtyTrac, the value of all outstanding residential mortgages, owed by U.S. households to purchase residences housing at most four families, was US$9.9 trillion as of year-end 2006, and US$10.6 trillion as of midyear 2008.[35] During 2007, lenders had begun foreclosure proceedings on nearly 1.3 million properties, a 79% increase over 2006.[36] This increased to 2.3 million in 2008, an 81% increase vs. 2007,[37] and again to 2.8 million in 2009, a 21% increase vs. 2008.[38]

By August 2008, 9.2% of all U.S. mortgages outstanding were either delinquent or in foreclosure.[39] By September 2009, this had risen to 14.4%.[40] Between August 2007 and October 2008, 936,439 USA residences completed foreclosure.[41] Foreclosures are concentrated in particular states both in terms of the number and rate of foreclosure filings.[42] Ten states accounted for 74% of the foreclosure filings during 2008; the top two (California and Florida) represented 41%. Nine states were above the national foreclosure rate average of 1.84% of households....


There are hundreds of causes: a huge run up in household debt; people using their houses as piggy banks. Shadow banks entering the mortgage markets. Moral hazard at the to big to fail banks.

But none of those are republican policies.

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/27/2013 1:24:54 AM   
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It's always nice when a left-leaning member comes on and tells us what the righties are thinking. It seems to be a pattern, around here.

I wouldn't presume to know what a Republican agenda might look like because I'm not one.

It appears the major agenda in our country today is for the top PPLs to deflect as much as they can and their well-trained, lock-stepping minions do their bit to spread the word (until the low thought voters believe it's the truth).

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/27/2013 4:02:26 AM   
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The truth of the matter is that the bill that the democrats had couldn't even pass their own caucus, let alone the Congress.

The changes to the bill were made in back room deals within the democratic caucus, in order to secure votes with in their own caucus.

If it didn't past the caucus, how did it become law? An if it become law, how did those Democrats get elected back into office? Or the President? Keep making up that total bullshit....

You were talking about the *ORIGINAL* bill - the mana from heaven that obama presented. That they presented to the evil republicans. You claimed

that it was an effort to appease the REPUBLICANS that caused the bill to be modified.


First, the President did not get the original work of his from Heaven. So please stop with your hatred of the President on that front. The document the Democrats had that was changed AFTER the Democrats had breakfast with the Republicans, and the one the President gave to Democrats are TWO DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS. They didn't ask the Republicans what would please them (as at the time Republicans would rather it was removed altogether). No, the Democrats stated the issue would come to the House and Senate but wished to have it bi-partisan (the President's doing, not Democrats in either chamber). An it was known there were Republicans that wanted to vote in favor of the bill, yet were afraid of catching fire from the RNC.

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Which, of course, is bullshit. As I said in my reply, the bill was modified because it they coudln't get the democrat votes.

Its true that Democrats had to revise the plan the President gave them behind close door sessions. More to keep the lobbyist from influencing the process than anything else. Or are you going to tell me that lobbyists have very little political clout in Washington, D.C. these days?


Straw man. You're supposing a reason that it was done in back rooms. When in fact the evidence suggests that the reason to do the negotiations behind closed doors was to do the arm twisting and bribing necessary to get the bill passed.


No, actually that did say they went behind closed doors to sit down and understand the bill. Making changes to in in private arguments without lobbyists that would be a million just to be a fly on the wall in the room. We know this as members of the free press explained it. 'Bribing' and 'arm twisting' is also know in civilized lands as 'negotiations'. Yes, your view is that one person is the dictator and all should bow down before that person and do as they say. This is the United States of America, NOT, the Dictatorship of Republicanism. When people have to work out problems, they make compromises and deals. Unlike Modern Republican ideology (which is characterized by lunacy and drunkenness), people try to get the best deal during a discussion in Congress. Yeah, when Republicans do it, its 'ok' in your book, but if Democrats do it, its just 'wrong'.


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Or to quote pelosi " you have to pass the bill to find out whats in it".....
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We can quote stupid stuff that politicians have said for a few decades, so what?

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To refresh your memory I suggestion you google 'the louisiana purchase', the nebraska bribe, and "buying of the AARP". While you're at it - why don't you go look at the first pharma group that obama cut a deal with.


An why should I reread any of this material?


Why, so it isn't so patently easy to prove that you are a johnny come lately to the ACA debate.
So you can educate yourself on what really happened in the making of the bill.


You STILL have not given a reason WHY I should do any of this. I know what happened with the ACA. You never knew of the President's original document, nor the one Democrats had BEFORE the breakfast with the Republicans one cold morning in Feburary of 2010. So don't go lecturing me on history. You have a habit of citing nothing while giving totally outlandish bullcrap.

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Here's a few more suggestions for you..

Do you know who Stupak was? For the record he was a democrat. Go google what role he had.
While you're at it - go look at the july 2010 federal register where the CBO estimates that up to 80% of employer health care coverage would be lost.

While you're at it - go look at the draft of the rules put out by sibelious about two years ago where the regulations were first promulgated that CAUSED those losses.

Until you have done a modicum of reading on the subject - you're just a talking point regurgitating tyro.


HAHAHA.....

You have NO CREDIBILITY to lecture ANYONE on reading materials in this forum. Have you READ the Affordable Care Act? its only 2409 pages long. Which is the basis for THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION. ......NO...... You just keep dancing around, evading things here and there, while spewing forth drivel from any one of a dozen right wing website's talking points. Heck, your passing those talking points off as your own material and not giving credit to the original author.

Yes I know of former Rep. Bart Stupak. Now why cant you show proper respect for the gentleman? Whether I disagree or agree with the man's views as it related to the ACA, I will STILL show respect. Which is much more than you can apparently muster.....

Anyone that actually read the ACA and with a fair degree of knowledge in US Businesses, would point out a decent size number of outstanding policies would be retired and new ones created that were in line with the law of the land. So what? When ever the government creates new laws, its fairly typical most companies will examine the fine details of said law as it relates to their business. Their lawyers will advise them to mitigate grey areas as much as possible, least there be a lawsuit that falls in favor of those suing the company. You have this silly belief like its the first time....EVER...in the history of American law, that a company had to revise its business practice due to a law Congress and the President passed. An you keep up with all the petty and cheap attacks towards those that you hate.

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/27/2013 4:18:12 AM   
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subprime loans were being made from 1993 to 2000. they were not being defaulted on en masse. After 2000 something changed, W was appointed, and predatory lenders destroyed the world economy.

So you agree the failed policy had its roots under clinton (1993). Good. We're starting to make progress.

So now - please tell me exactly what republican policy resulted in the mass defaults. I'm all ears.


You REALLY have no clue what he said, do you? I bold the part you evidently didn't understand. The laws did indeed change. In fact, there were a pile of laws removed to allow US businesses to operate in a manner previously deemed 'irresponsible'. That's right, we are talking about REGULATIONS. A Regulations is a form of law. Usually there is a behavior the author(s) either encourage to happen (i.e. buying a healthcare plan) or discourage from taking place (pay a penalty if you do not). Problem is, most conservatives are to damn clueless to stop an ask the most obvious question: "Why were the laws created in the first place" and than go study the answer to the question. Instead, they just bumbled on through like a bull in a china shop and wondered afterward why everything failed. Of course, these are the same people that bitch at President Obama over petty stuff while giving Republicans and Tea Party officials blank checks.

Maybe you were in a coma for the years of 2002 and 2007. For most Americans they can recall all those advertisements for "Have bad credit? Have no credit? Not to worry, you can buy a house through Ezzy Eddie's Housing Emporium....". There was a logical reason why those with bad credit or no credit were often if not always refused a line of credit through a lending institution before those laws were removed. I'm going to assume your intelligent enough to understand what that reason might have been.....

It was not just those laws that tanked the housing market. Policy making is a tough game to play. Poor decision making resulted in failures in the business world that are really to numerous to list. The economy just never really recovered from the DOT COM bust in the late 90s. Saddled with two wars, rapidly growing debt and a deficit out of control thanks to 'Bush Era Tax Cuts', the nation was headed for disaster in 2006. The Republican party did a hellish amount of damage by being stupid, ignorant and foolish and didn't have the good sense to just resign with what ever was left of their dignity.

At least my Senator from Massachusetts is doing something about all the Republican failures of the last decade!

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/27/2013 9:17:31 AM   
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It's always nice when a left-leaning member comes on and tells us what the righties are thinking. It seems to be a pattern, around here.

I wouldn't presume to know what a Republican agenda might look like because I'm not one.

It appears the major agenda in our country today is for the top PPLs to deflect as much as they can and their well-trained, lock-stepping minions do their bit to spread the word (until the low thought voters believe it's the truth).

Plus que ça change ...






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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/27/2013 10:45:40 AM   
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So you agree the failed policy had its roots under clinton (1993). Good. We're starting to make progress.

No. I'm just making the point that the law you attack was not the cause as proved by the evidence. That of course is the case since there was no such thing as the Community Redevelopment Act. Maybe you meant the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 or maybe you simply made it up as usual?

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So now - please tell me exactly what republican policy resulted in the mass defaults. I'm all ears.
Failing to enforce numerous laws against predatory lending including the CRA of 1977. Also the failure of the SEC and banking inspectors to enforce laws on securities and on bank reserves.

So now that we have established that you don't know shit about another subject...


Oh, so sorry. Proposed in 1993, and passed in 1995.

Not proposed in 1992 and not passed in 1995. There was no such law. You simply made it up. Own it.

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/27/2013 12:29:25 PM   
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It's always nice when a left-leaning member comes on and tells us what the righties are thinking. It seems to be a pattern, around here.

The part I really like are the arrogant ones that constantly insult everyone then demand they be treated with respect because they've read a 2000 page document and therefore, nobody else has the right to oppose their view. Then they continue to remind us all of their supposed intellectual superiority over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again.

Comic tragedy at its finest.


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que ça change ...

Wasn't that the name of David Carradines character on "Kung Fu"?


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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/27/2013 12:44:36 PM   
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It's even better watching their brains twist when dealing with us libertarian types. "Wait, you support legalizing gay marriage, drugs, and other stuff, you oppose foreign wars and... what's this thing called 'the Federal Reserve?'"

Seriously, Joether, the cheap money policies of the Federal Reserve are what caused the boom which in turn brought about the bust in housing and other financial markets.

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/27/2013 5:14:48 PM   
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It's even better watching their brains twist when dealing with us libertarian types. "Wait, you support legalizing gay marriage, drugs, and other stuff, you oppose foreign wars and... what's this thing called 'the Federal Reserve?'"

Seriously, Joether, the cheap money policies of the Federal Reserve are what caused the boom which in turn brought about the bust in housing and other financial markets.



Now now. Bush appointed people to it. Its Bush's fault!

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/27/2013 7:13:43 PM   
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Right, just like all those Hollywood people who told me that NSA spying is all because of Nixon. Certainly none of the presidents since then had anything to do with it... except for Bush, since everything's his fault.

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/29/2013 8:45:56 PM   
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Inside Job tells the story pretty well, the best documentary made about the banking crisis.

Charles Ferguson's film Inside Job attempts to blame a wider cast list for the banking crash of 2008 and explains why so little has been done to reform the financial world or bring criminal prosecutions against the main protagonists.

His villainous lineup includes bankers, politicians (many of whom were previously bankers), regulators, the credit ratings agencies and academics. When Glenn Hubbard, George Bush's chief economic adviser and dean of Columbia Business School, is shown as a partisan advocate of deregulation, we have one of the movie's punch-the-air moments. During the interview, Hubbard, who denies he was corrupted by his paid-for relationships with government, angrily barks: "You've got five minutes, mister. Give it your best shot."
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What�s remarkable about the financial crisis isn’t just how many people got it wrong, but how many people who got it wrong had an incentive to get it right. Journalists. Hedge funds. Independent investors. Academics. Regulators. Even traders, many of whom had most of their money tied up in their soon-to-be-worthless firms. “Inside Job” is perhaps strongest in detailing the conflicts of interest that various people had when it came to the financial sector, but the reason those ties were “conflicts” was that they also had substantial reasons — fame, fortune, acclaim, job security, etc. — to get it right.

And ultimately, that’s what makes the financial crisis so scary. The complexity of the system far exceeded the capacity of the participants, experts and watchdogs. Even after the crisis happened, it was devilishly hard to understand what was going on. Some people managed to connect the right dots, in the right ways and at the right times, but not so many, and not through such reproducible methods, that it’s clear how we can make their success the norm. But it is clear that our key systems are going to continue growing more complex, and we’re not getting any smarter, or any less able to ignore risks that we know we should be preparing for. “Inside Job” may have missed that story, but the rest of us can’t afford to.

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/29/2013 10:30:56 PM   
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Yeah.. I still remember when one of the top 3 bank firms was shorting internally funds they were promoting to their customers.

What I don't get cloud - if you get all this - why you don't look into the tea party. The massive fraud is the issue that spawned the tea party.

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/29/2013 10:42:47 PM   
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Yeah.. I still remember when one of the top 3 bank firms was shorting internally funds they were promoting to their customers.

What I don't get cloud - if you get all this - why you don't look into the tea party. The massive fraud is the issue that spawned the tea party.

Bullshit.
The tea party is simply the hard right under anew name. They are actively in the pocket of the finance industry. When did anyone ever hear anyone from the tea party support any new financial regulation? All the tea party congresscritters oppose Dodd-Frank and the CFPB.

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