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vincentML -> RE: Should this "child" have been aborted? (11/24/2013 5:39:13 AM)
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It's a question of where we draw the lines, and how we weigh the values that come into conflict. In the case of parent whose religious beliefs deny them the option of modern medicine, I start with a default to the position of religious liberty, and then look to the individual case. Will the child certainly die without treatment, and certainly live with it? Then permanently remove the child from their custody.
Good to know you agree the state has an important role with respect to the welfare of children. Oh, was that the child's religious liberty? At what age in the life of the child does it knowingly and freely exercise religious choice?
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Will the child die at home, surrounded by love and care without treatment vs. only maybe die after months of mediturture in a heartless maze of needles, tubes, and strangers who come and go? I believe that choice remains with the parents.
Or will the child survive awhile at home in great pain and devastating agony despite the love and care of their parents? That is also child abuse.
It is important to consider a case by case basis as you suggest but there are some guidelines, although not yet established by appeals courts, I don't think:
Some judges have set limits on parental conscience claims; in particular, the type of
claim the parent is making may be of great significance to courts. While parents may be
entitled to believe whatever they want to believe from a religious point of view, denials
of life-saving medical care to their children quickly cross over from mere belief into
conduct, and this is not protected to the same degree. Put another way, parents are
generally not allowed to sacrifice the lives of their children whose health interests they
are supposed to protect before the children are legally old enough to be able to make their
own decisions. The cases at hand are a classic confrontation between religion and
medical ethics. SOURCE
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Now back to you, Vince. Do you believe the government should be empowered to force a family in this situation to abort the child?
Never judge a book by its title. Nor a thread either.
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First off, Vincent, I have seen you pussy out of WAY too many discussions, to watch you climb up on a high horse here and whine about people not answering you. That's a bitch move, and you may consider yourself called on it. This happens most frequently when you assume you are the only one who can appreciate and indulge in nuance and degree, while anyone you choose to challenge will be held to an absolute stance. My beer loving brother in law is far more entertaining, and can be counted to pick up the dinner check.
I wonder on occasion what insecurity compels people to wag the giant, godly finger of admonishment at others on these boards. Are they wistful and nostalgic for the power they felt as grade school hall monitors? Are they compensating for the size of their dicks? Are their penile implants not functioning as promised? Are they suffering fungal vaginal itch? Did their wives, husbands, girlfriends, boyfriends have an inconvenient headache? Or maybe it is only the beer?
Always good to have your nuanced participation in a thread, Rich. [:D]
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