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RE: What influences world opinion on the US...does it m... - 7/9/2006 5:56:35 AM   
caitlyn


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It's also true that almost 8 out of 10 Americans never leave America their whole lives.  That means that a whopping 80% of Americans are relying on the other 20% to give them real life, hands-on experience of what other nations are really like and not what another untravelled American tells them they're like.


Have you considered that simple geography may have a lot to do with this? In much of Europe, you can visit another country on an afternoon drive. Here in America, a bit more commitment is involved.
 
What percentage of people in the UK have visited a country in the Western Hemispher? Care to bet it's less then 20%?

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RE: What influences world opinion on the US...does it m... - 7/9/2006 6:19:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Virtually everyone i know has. I personally havent and as i said before i judge on those i have met over here.
However i would say far more than 20% of brits have travelled to the western hemisphere.
Think ur backing a lame donkey there.

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RE: What influences world opinion on the US...does it m... - 7/9/2006 6:24:59 AM   
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Actually America IS the best.
Fact??????????????
 
IMO- the US is the best.
No longer fact?????????
Make your mind up.
 
you can find prety much any life style here
Funnily enough you can in the UK too.
 
I must point out here i have a disliking for my own country and am certainly not patriotic - i despise the monarchy.
However i again point out that arrogance is not a well liked characteristic and twice of what i have read in here i have seen pure arrogance from citizens of the US.
For someone who is so naive as you are pahunkboy i would think you'd led a very sheltered life and seen very little of anything.




Actually missturbation, i have seen wayy more then you could ever imagine.  naive?  *gasp*  meet me on the jerry springer show. your posts tend to be antagonistic. [per the naked one]

so in order to humor you... *bows down* chants- "she is right"

im not even sure why i am typing this out. i prefer to fan the flames of constructive threads.

certainly i wont get into why i am not naive. im quite candid. as long as i am candid, ill mention, im beginning to dislike you. [at least the antagonistic online you...]

interesting you hang in a .com site, rather then a .uk site.

be good-

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RE: What influences world opinion on the US...does it m... - 7/9/2006 6:27:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I have an idea how the Bush administration might be able to at least change public perception of deceit and rampant incompetence in its administration - and that is for GWB to be a real executive and actually fire someone who screwed up as far as getting us into this mess.

Bush gave former CIA chief George Tenet, what, a medal of honor, when he "retired" for his "contributions" while on the job? This is the only person he's come close to firing - and this is guy who supposedly told Bush that Iraq having weapons of mass destruction was a "slam dunk" as far as being "the truth". I know GWBush is an ex-fraternity guy and super extrovert, but it would improve his image (I think) if he fired (tommorrow could not be soon enough for me), the following folks:

1. Donald Rumsfeld: This will never happpen, though. The excuse for not doing it would be that it would "disrupt military operations". My response: "Well, they can't get much worse than they are now - let's take a chance - do your best anyway. In other words, I think we've hit bottom and things cannot possibly get any worse - there is nowhere to go, except up". He's completely inept. Not enough troops and poor supplies for them, too. And PR and humanitarian debacles like the Abu-Ghraib prison scandal. He is not up to the job. Also, not classifying terrorists at Guantanamo as P.O.W.s now looks like it could possibly end in years upon years of costly trials, paid for by the U.S. The bad judgment never seems to end with this guy. And - I would like to hear him admit he's been wrong, just one time.

2. Karl Rove: I think he is a great PR guy with absoutely no sense of ethics, a true snake among snakes - he simply outsnakes them all. And by Washington D.C. standards, that's saying a lot. If that's "too mean" to say, I can't cry for him too much: He can always write a book or some memoirs and retire early. I'd cite more specific examples of his snakinesss, but there aren't enough pages and I don't have enough time (I can look some up, if anyone is interested in very specific snaky details, though).

I have more folks to list, but would have to get my TIME magazine from a few weeks ago to really get going with this, but there are at least 5 more folks that I think should be ousted.

I'd also vote for 3). Dick Cheney  - being ousted, but that will never ever happen - I think he is a complete sociopath. I thought it was indeed ironic when he shot his friend Harry Whittington during a hunting accident on their "gentlemen's ranch" . I read his interview about the incident in TIME. It made me hold out a shred of hope he finally now has a glimmer of what he is putting U.S. and coalition troops through in Iraq on a daily basis - the incident could not have had better timing (thank you, God).

- Susan 

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RE: What influences world opinion on the US...does it m... - 7/9/2006 6:33:47 AM   
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I feel that England has a much, much higher emphasis on the importance of people over money.  In America, it seems (seems) like everyone is so obsessed with the dollar that people come second to that. 

This might just be my assessment but suppose you owned a large company in America and happened to totally oppose some important global aspect of what America is doing at the time.  Making that opposition public could financially ruin you with the kind of jingoistic hysteria of threatened boycotts, so everyone just nods and agrees with whatever is going on because it's risky to do otherwise. 

....  But I have still to see or hear how that's any different for Australia, Canada, England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, France, Germany, Holland, Sweden, Norway, Spain, Italy and many other countries.



I agree 100% with the dollar of people mode- it is something i wish i could change. i admire that in some other countries the public good is more important then greed.

current foreign policy is bad- i agree there. i am a registerred voter whom votes in every election.

a curious example on how americans are percieved as greedy... as i got to know a buddy in EU- he offerred to buy my 2004 vote. i declined.

the US could learn alot from EU, CA, AU,,,,we desparately need campaine finance reform.  BADLY.

you see - us peons have no voice in washington. the corporatists own the lawmakers.

greed sucks.

thank you for the post.

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RE: What influences world opinion on the US...does it m... - 7/9/2006 6:33:49 AM   
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In response to Jerry Springer - i think you will find that show does no credit to America in any shape or form. I certainly wouldnt brag about the fact i would qualify to go on it.
As for the .com rather than .co.uk how do you know where i hang at other times. Ahhhhhhhhh the judgement weighs me down so much lol.
You've seen way more than i could imagine - again uninformed judgement - you dont know me.
Your personal issues with me i will take up privately as they dont belong in a USA discussion post.


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RE: What influences world opinion on the US...does it m... - 7/9/2006 6:39:22 AM   
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Virtually everyone i know has. I personally havent and as i said before i judge on those i have met over here.
However i would say far more than 20% of brits have travelled to the western hemisphere.
Think ur backing a lame donkey there.


Well, I can say the same thing. I can't think of anyone that I know that hasn't been a another country. We are, perhaps the wrong sample group.
 
I would be willing to bet that 90% of the population of my home state of Texas, has been across the border. The three largest states in the Union, all border other countries ... and Amercans love to travel.
 
When you look at the percentage of people in the United States that aren't even originally from the United States, I think you will see that the donkey I'm backing, is that I don't believe the 20% figure. Even if we assume that figure is correct, I bet if you looked at the states that border or are even relatively close to Canada and Mexico, you will see a much higher percentage.
 
Time to go to Church.

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RE: What influences world opinion on the US...does it m... - 7/9/2006 6:50:59 AM   
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In response to Jerry Springer - i think you will find that show does no credit to America in any shape or form. I certainly wouldnt brag about the fact i would qualify to go on it.
As for the .com rather than .co.uk how do you know where i hang at other times. Ahhhhhhhhh the judgement weighs me down so much lol.
You've seen way more than i could imagine - again uninformed judgement - you dont know me.
Your personal issues with me i will take up privately as they dont belong in a USA discussion post.



if you were here- in my home- seeing what i hang on the wall, the various events i have been involved in, you would not call it naive.

you dont know me. [either]

so- back to the OP, if you would please.

how DO Americans improve their image abroad ?

give me some ideas. how to improve the US. frankly- im frustrated with Washington..and at a loss as to how to fix it. we all are.

i look forward to your reply

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RE: What influences world opinion on the US...does it m... - 7/9/2006 6:54:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		how DO Americans improve their image abroad ?

Lose the arrogant we are better than everyone else attitude.
 
There my input on the topic at hand.

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RE: What influences world opinion on the US...does it m... - 7/9/2006 6:56:39 AM   
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Cards on the table...I'm from the UK working in the US for 18 months and have been travelling to various states across the country for the last 5 years. A recent survey in the UK showed a significan drop in favourability towards the US and particulalry GWB  ( see www.telegraph.co.uk) other global poles also show very negative favorabilty towards the US  (www.pewglobal.org  /  www.worldreview.org) . After 9/11 there was universal sympathy and solidarity towards the US (in many countries) ....... what is the US preception on the reason for the change and does it matter? A recurrent question I have been asked in the US is why does everyone hate us? The forums I've looked at on CM seem to give straight talking opinionated responses......


*Sighs* This issue bothers me because I don't like the fact that our nation is viewed unfavorably by many others across the globe. However, the difference is while many don't care for our 'government', most tend to like Americans in general. The invasion of Iraq after 911 was a huge turning point in the opinions of other nations (i,e. 'squandering support after 911')..ill thought out war, ill thought exit plan....

I love my country and I don't always agree with the decisions the Chimp in Charge (Bush) has made. I also don't feel that a new president will sway world opinion all that much either. While I feel some shame about the governments actions after 911 (esp the treatment of our armed forces), I could never be ashamed to be an American.


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RE: What influences world opinion on the US...does it m... - 7/9/2006 7:03:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: missturbation
Virtually everyone i know has. I personally havent and as i said before i judge on those i have met over here.
However i would say far more than 20% of brits have travelled to the western hemisphere.
Think ur backing a lame donkey there.


Well, I can say the same thing. I can't think of anyone that I know that hasn't been a another country. We are, perhaps the wrong sample group.
 
I would be willing to bet that 90% of the population of my home state of Texas, has been across the border. The three largest states in the Union, all border other countries ... and Amercans love to travel.
 
When you look at the percentage of people in the United States that aren't even originally from the United States, I think you will see that the donkey I'm backing, is that I don't believe the 20% figure. Even if we assume that figure is correct, I bet if you looked at the states that border or are even relatively close to Canada and Mexico, you will see a much higher percentage.
 
Time to go to Church.



i travelled alot in my 20s.  Canada and Mexico, and @ 30 states, many are as large as a small country,- there are regional differences here. i liked LA, San Fran, Yosemite, the Great Smokies, Niagara, New Hampshire, to name a few. I grew up in Chicago. -- i dont care for the overcast days, straight roads, overhead wires, and those blastid cotten wood trees. here in PA, Gettysburg, Hershey, Philadelphia, the Poconos, State College, the endless mountains, Penns Creek, im not to far from the Edison Hotel, the 1st building to have electricity in the world, fort agusta is here, Preistly house, also- he discovered oxegyn. PA has beautiful hardwoods- they were plunderred in the 1900s, but now are back. Camping in Bald Eagle state forest is a feast for the soul....also nearby. York PA, home of Harely Davidson, nearby. One can spend weeks in the smithsonian in DC.  Coal, steel....pushed the westward expansion. The coal region is a sight to be seen.
There is so much in the USA, that- there isnt a need to cross the ocean.

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RE: What influences world opinion on the US...does it m... - 7/9/2006 7:11:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is so much in the USA, that- there isnt a need to cross the ocean.

I can def see that point of view. I am coming to USA later this year, new york area (fingers crossed) and am really looking forward to it.
Has anyone actually found out how long it would take you to see all of the USA?

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RE: What influences world opinion on the US...does it m... - 7/9/2006 7:25:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have lived here all of my life, and have been to many states, but there are still at least 7 states I have never seen. I am from the middle of the U.S. - in the state of Nebraska (think corn, cows, and Boystown).

I have an acquaintance from Australia who flew over here two years ago who was actually bicycling his way across the U.S. He started in Virginia, and then biked here with his wife, they stayed with us for 3 days, and then biked to California, sleeping in motels and camping in-between. it took them all Summer. They did not see every state, but saw, probably 1/3 of them.

- Susan

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RE: What influences world opinion on the US...does it m... - 7/9/2006 7:32:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		ok cool. figure out what is important to you. do you search before you go. NYC is expensive. i can get good views of the harbor by taking the ferry.  many musuems have a free day...it changes from time to time.

if you can rent a car, any direction you drive could be interesting.

oh- on tolls- one pays to get into manhatten, but can leave for free. this gets expensive if you get lost.

2 weeks would be a decent trip. there are trains to boston and dc.

i have a passport- i would like to see asia. im interested in feng shui, herbalism, so i would go- as a learning experience. to take with me, ideas that i can apply to my life when i returned home.  personally- if something is too touristy i avoid it. i prefer to see things off the beaten path. if i went to the UK, ild spend time in a small town- as apposed to the mainstream attractions.

i know chicago has an personal tourguide that shows people around via appt for free. [not counting cost of attractions] i dotn know if NYC has the same.

im exicited for you,. come december i can travel again- yay-

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RE: What influences world opinion on the US...does it m... - 7/9/2006 7:38:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for the travelling advice. I'm actually going to be staying with my prospective Master so fingers crossed getting lost should not be a problem.
I'm with you on the staying away from touristy, my mum and dad live in Spain in the middle of nowhere - the real spain and its fantastic.
May i suggest if you come to the U.k and are looking for besutiful scenery etc you visit the Yorkshire moors and the Yorkshire dales - they are absolutley beautiful.

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RE: What influences world opinion on the US...does it m... - 7/9/2006 7:53:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was in England once (and other parts of the Isle), but in the US military at the time, it made for big problems. I got to go to St.Catherines house (looked up some old relatives), paid 8 pounds for a birth certificate that is still there, see 221 Baker Street...was pissed off to find out picadilly circus was only a roundabout, Saw the play, no sex please, we're british at the strand, learned that nearly all pubs   are only open till 10 pm (or the gov'ner will lose 'is license). WTF? learned that it was easier for me to thrust out a pocketfull of money and let the british decide what was what, cause I couldn't understand what the fuck they said when they talked about money. ha' and thruppendy bits, indeed. (scruples abound there, for the most part.)

What I didn't get to see, although I tried:

The Loch Ness Monster
The Giant's Dance at Amesbury
Tintagel
Byrn Myrddyn (if I remember how to spell it)
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RE: What influences world opinion on the US...does it m... - 7/9/2006 9:06:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Caitlyn, why is it whenever I post anything about America you seem conditioned by a knee-jerk reaction to pick up only on the points that are negative?  I mean, did I not say it was a fine place, that most people would give an organ to live in a country like that, etc?  It seems you're incredibly sensitive toward criticism of America but completely oblivious to praise.

Anyway, at your very fingertips is the world's biggest knowledge base, if you dispute anything I say, I'm sure there's a website that will confirm or deny it.  I did Google it myself but didn't find anything for

"americans never leave america"

except one website that said it was actually 90%.
 

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RE: What influences world opinion on the US...does it m... - 7/9/2006 9:11:34 AM   
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RE: What influences world opinion on the US...does it m... - 7/9/2006 9:14:04 AM   
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RE: What influences world opinion on the US...does it m... - 7/9/2006 9:20:35 AM   
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