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So no matter how many times Wal-Mart is caught making employees work off the clock it is irrelevant because it isn't provably happening at this time. Do you not understand that the number of times they've been caught does show that it is an ongoing practice?
This all started because you asked for proof that Wal-Mart routinely forces employees to work off the clock. I presented proof they've lost and settled many cases involving such. I also presented ongoing litigation involving the same. What would constitute proof if neither of those qualify?

Ongoing litigation isn't proof of guilt, though, Ken. A decade is a long time, and may show that the company has made changes. If these last two suits find WalMart guilty (especially the one regarding the dockworkers, as that's more of a Corporate-level thing than a worker at one WalMart), then there is more proof that WalMart is still routinely forcing employees to work off the clock. Until those suits come back with a guilty verdict, the only thing we know, is that WalMart has forced employees to work off the clock before.
How much time has to go by before WalMart is no longer blasted over previous illegal actions (for which they were found guilty and paid restitution as a consequence)?

How about until they win some cases where this is alleged?
And the cases I presented were not all a decade old.
This is 5 years old
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/24/business/24walmart.html?_r=1&
And was clearly a case of Wal-Mart trying to get rid of these cases while no one was watching the news, note the date of the story.

Note the date?!? How about finding out when those cases were filed?

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“Many of these lawsuits were filed years ago, and the allegations are not representative of the company we are today,” Tom Mars, general counsel and executive vice president at Wal-Mart Stores, said.

How about finding out when the illegal actions took place? Nah, can't do that, it might not support your politics.

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That's the nature of civil court cases. If you expect some recent allegation to already be settled you are simply naïve. Wal-Mart delays and delays until they have no options left. They simply hope the plaintiffs will run out of money, give up and go away.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
If it's the only game in town, people can get too desperate to care how blatantly it's rigged against them, sadly.

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If it's the only game in town, people can get too desperate to care how blatantly it's rigged against them, sadly.

That's a big "if," though. There are several WalMart's in the Toledo area. There are also several Meijers (grocery, clothes, etc., just like WalMart), Targets, Krogers (grocery), JC Penney's (clothing), Sears (clothing, tools, appliances), Kohl's (clothing), etc. There are lots of places to work, if WalMart wasn't around.

I'd be surprised if there were very many areas where WalMart was the only game in town.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
If it's the only game in town, people can get too desperate to care how blatantly it's rigged against them, sadly.

That's a big "if," though. There are several WalMart's in the Toledo area. There are also several Meijers (grocery, clothes, etc., just like WalMart), Targets, Krogers (grocery), JC Penney's (clothing), Sears (clothing, tools, appliances), Kohl's (clothing), etc. There are lots of places to work, if WalMart wasn't around.
I'd be surprised if there were very many areas where WalMart was the only game in town.

Try the rural south. Wal-Mart has driven pretty much every business that competes with them out of business.
Even here in Chicago a major, as in one of 2 significant, supermarket chain has decided to close shop due to competition from Wal-Mart.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-10-11/business/chi-dominicks-parent-leaving-chicago-20131010_1_dominick-safeway-inc-chicago-area-stores

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I'd be surprised if there were very many areas where WalMart was the only game in town.

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so where do you suppose al these mcdonalds workers get retraining, what in, where? how much, how long? what do they live on while they work and retrain?

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so where do you suppose al these mcdonalds workers get retraining, what in, where? how much, how long? what do they live on while they work and retrain?

We were just discussing something similar. Our local community college offers adult courses for nominal fees that teach people all sorts of skills and offers certifications in certain careers, like Administrative Assistant. Because of the class schedule, they would have no need to stop working.

That said, I bartended my way through college so that I would have something to live on.

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So no matter how many times Wal-Mart is caught making employees work off the clock it is irrelevant because it isn't provably happening at this time. Do you not understand that the number of times they've been caught does show that it is an ongoing practice?
This all started because you asked for proof that Wal-Mart routinely forces employees to work off the clock. I presented proof they've lost and settled many cases involving such. I also presented ongoing litigation involving the same. What would constitute proof if neither of those qualify?

Ongoing litigation isn't proof of guilt, though, Ken. A decade is a long time, and may show that the company has made changes. If these last two suits find WalMart guilty (especially the one regarding the dockworkers, as that's more of a Corporate-level thing than a worker at one WalMart), then there is more proof that WalMart is still routinely forcing employees to work off the clock. Until those suits come back with a guilty verdict, the only thing we know, is that WalMart has forced employees to work off the clock before.

How much time has to go by before WalMart is no longer blasted over previous illegal actions (for which they were found guilty and paid restitution as a consequence)?

How about until they win some cases where this is alleged?

And the cases I presented were not all a decade old.
This is 5 years old
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/24/business/24walmart.html?_r=1&
And was clearly a case of Wal-Mart trying to get rid of these cases while no one was watching the news, note the date of the story.

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I find it perplexing how you seem to support Walmart paying substandard wages, not offering health care to its workers, exploiting slave labor abroad, and expecting government subsidies like food stamps to make up the difference.

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That's the nature of civil court cases. If you expect some recent allegation to already be settled you are simply naïve. Wal-Mart delays and delays until they have no options left. They simply hope the plaintiffs will run out of money, give up and go away.

Right, so what cases are ending now are from actions that took place a long time ago. And, it's entirely possible that WalMart has made systemic changes to prevent some of those illegal actions from recurring.

Even with it's dark past, WalMart is still a place where people choose to work. Why is that?

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If it's the only game in town, people can get too desperate to care how blatantly it's rigged against them, sadly.

That's a big "if," though. There are several WalMart's in the Toledo area. There are also several Meijers (grocery, clothes, etc., just like WalMart), Targets, Krogers (grocery), JC Penney's (clothing), Sears (clothing, tools, appliances), Kohl's (clothing), etc. There are lots of places to work, if WalMart wasn't around.

I'd be surprised if there were very many areas where WalMart was the only game in town.

Try the rural south. Wal-Mart has driven pretty much every business that competes with them out of business.

Even here in Chicago a major, as in one of 2 significant, supermarket chain has decided to close shop due to competition from Wal-Mart.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-10-11/business/chi-dominicks-parent-leaving-chicago-20131010_1_dominick-safeway-inc-chicago-area-stores

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
If it's the only game in town, people can get too desperate to care how blatantly it's rigged against them, sadly.

That's a big "if," though. There are several WalMart's in the Toledo area. There are also several Meijers (grocery, clothes, etc., just like WalMart), Targets, Krogers (grocery), JC Penney's (clothing), Sears (clothing, tools, appliances), Kohl's (clothing), etc. There are lots of places to work, if WalMart wasn't around.
I'd be surprised if there were very many areas where WalMart was the only game in town.

Try the rural south. Wal-Mart has driven pretty much every business that competes with them out of business.
Even here in Chicago a major, as in one of 2 significant, supermarket chain has decided to close shop due to competition from Wal-Mart.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-10-11/business/chi-dominicks-parent-leaving-chicago-20131010_1_dominick-safeway-inc-chicago-area-stores

So, there weren't enough people buying goods from WalMart competitors. That sure means that WalMart has a need for workers. Apparently, there are people willing to work at WalMart, and people willing to shop at WalMart.

Apparently, WalMart was filling Market demand better than the others. The dirty bastards.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
If it's the only game in town, people can get too desperate to care how blatantly it's rigged against them, sadly.

That's a big "if," though. There are several WalMart's in the Toledo area. There are also several Meijers (grocery, clothes, etc., just like WalMart), Targets, Krogers (grocery), JC Penney's (clothing), Sears (clothing, tools, appliances), Kohl's (clothing), etc. There are lots of places to work, if WalMart wasn't around.
I'd be surprised if there were very many areas where WalMart was the only game in town.

Try the rural south. Wal-Mart has driven pretty much every business that competes with them out of business.
Even here in Chicago a major, as in one of 2 significant, supermarket chain has decided to close shop due to competition from Wal-Mart.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-10-11/business/chi-dominicks-parent-leaving-chicago-20131010_1_dominick-safeway-inc-chicago-area-stores

So, there weren't enough people buying goods from WalMart competitors. That sure means that WalMart has a need for workers. Apparently, there are people willing to work at WalMart, and people willing to shop at WalMart.

Apparently, WalMart was filling Market demand better than the others. The dirty bastards.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
So no matter how many times Wal-Mart is caught making employees work off the clock it is irrelevant because it isn't provably happening at this time. Do you not understand that the number of times they've been caught does show that it is an ongoing practice?
This all started because you asked for proof that Wal-Mart routinely forces employees to work off the clock. I presented proof they've lost and settled many cases involving such. I also presented ongoing litigation involving the same. What would constitute proof if neither of those qualify?

Ongoing litigation isn't proof of guilt, though, Ken. A decade is a long time, and may show that the company has made changes. If these last two suits find WalMart guilty (especially the one regarding the dockworkers, as that's more of a Corporate-level thing than a worker at one WalMart), then there is more proof that WalMart is still routinely forcing employees to work off the clock. Until those suits come back with a guilty verdict, the only thing we know, is that WalMart has forced employees to work off the clock before.

How much time has to go by before WalMart is no longer blasted over previous illegal actions (for which they were found guilty and paid restitution as a consequence)?

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

First of all, the average wage for a WalMart employee exceeds 12 bucks an hour (Target....$11.35), as to benefits....WalMart is the singularly largest provider of health care in the United States (exception, the feds; Medicare).

Slave labor....I'll presume you're discussing India, burning buildings and all that stuff....Nike has twice the complaints against them in the international safety forums and, dollar for dollar...Target is ahead of WalMart by a long shot.

Check your shoes bud.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
If it's the only game in town, people can get too desperate to care how blatantly it's rigged against them, sadly.

That's a big "if," though. There are several WalMart's in the Toledo area. There are also several Meijers (grocery, clothes, etc., just like WalMart), Targets, Krogers (grocery), JC Penney's (clothing), Sears (clothing, tools, appliances), Kohl's (clothing), etc. There are lots of places to work, if WalMart wasn't around.
I'd be surprised if there were very many areas where WalMart was the only game in town.

Try the rural south. Wal-Mart has driven pretty much every business that competes with them out of business.
Even here in Chicago a major, as in one of 2 significant, supermarket chain has decided to close shop due to competition from Wal-Mart.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-10-11/business/chi-dominicks-parent-leaving-chicago-20131010_1_dominick-safeway-inc-chicago-area-stores

So, there weren't enough people buying goods from WalMart competitors. That sure means that WalMart has a need for workers. Apparently, there are people willing to work at WalMart, and people willing to shop at WalMart.
Apparently, WalMart was filling Market demand better than the others. The dirty bastards.

Actually they sell products at lower than others because for some reason American taxpayers are willing to subsidize Wal-Mart by giving welfare to their employees. Dominick's was an old chain that paid its employees a living wage.

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