quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
So no matter how many times Wal-Mart is caught making employees work off the clock it is irrelevant because it isn't provably happening at this time. Do you not understand that the number of times they've been caught does show that it is an ongoing practice?
This all started because you asked for proof that Wal-Mart routinely forces employees to work off the clock. I presented proof they've lost and settled many cases involving such. I also presented ongoing litigation involving the same. What would constitute proof if neither of those qualify?

Ongoing litigation isn't proof of guilt, though, Ken. A decade is a long time, and may show that the company has made changes. If these last two suits find WalMart guilty (especially the one regarding the dockworkers, as that's more of a Corporate-level thing than a worker at one WalMart), then there is more proof that WalMart is still routinely forcing employees to work off the clock. Until those suits come back with a guilty verdict, the only thing we know, is that WalMart has forced employees to work off the clock before.
How much time has to go by before WalMart is no longer blasted over previous illegal actions (for which they were found guilty and paid restitution as a consequence)?

Guess what:
http://www.warehouseworkersunited.org/federal-judge-approves-4-7-million-settlement-for-workers-at-a-large-walmart-contracted-warehouse/
So they were stealing money from those workers paychecks, denying them breaks, meals and overtime pay as well as making them work off the clock.

quote:

A federal judge approved a preliminary settlement of $4.7 million for 568 warehouse workers at one of Walmart’s largest contracted warehouses.
...
Workers and Schneider Logistics, a Walmart contractor for whom they worked, reached the settlement that will compensate workers for wages stolen from their paychecks. According to the original complaints, over a period of five years workers were shorted overtime and regular pay, they were denied rest breaks and meal breaks as required by the law and the company failed to keep accurate records or to provide itemized wage statements. Workers from the Mira Loma, California filed the lawsuit in federal court in March 2012.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

quote:

ORIGINAL: EdBowie
Seriously? The average wage across all Walmart employees, only averages out to a little above the living wage line?
Is that supposed to be impressive?

quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
First of all, the average wage for a WalMart employee exceeds 12 bucks an hour (Target....$11.35), as to benefits....WalMart is the singularly largest provider of health care in the United States (exception, the feds; Medicare).
Slave labor....I'll presume you're discussing India, burning buildings and all that stuff....Nike has twice the complaints against them in the international safety forums and, dollar for dollar...Target is ahead of WalMart by a long shot.
Check your shoes bud.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
So no matter how many times Wal-Mart is caught making employees work off the clock it is irrelevant because it isn't provably happening at this time. Do you not understand that the number of times they've been caught does show that it is an ongoing practice?
This all started because you asked for proof that Wal-Mart routinely forces employees to work off the clock. I presented proof they've lost and settled many cases involving such. I also presented ongoing litigation involving the same. What would constitute proof if neither of those qualify?

Ongoing litigation isn't proof of guilt, though, Ken. A decade is a long time, and may show that the company has made changes. If these last two suits find WalMart guilty (especially the one regarding the dockworkers, as that's more of a Corporate-level thing than a worker at one WalMart), then there is more proof that WalMart is still routinely forcing employees to work off the clock. Until those suits come back with a guilty verdict, the only thing we know, is that WalMart has forced employees to work off the clock before.
How much time has to go by before WalMart is no longer blasted over previous illegal actions (for which they were found guilty and paid restitution as a consequence)?

Guess what:
http://www.warehouseworkersunited.org/federal-judge-approves-4-7-million-settlement-for-workers-at-a-large-walmart-contracted-warehouse/
So they were stealing money from those workers paychecks, denying them breaks, meals and overtime pay as well as making them work off the clock.

Guess what:

quote:

A federal judge approved a preliminary settlement of $4.7 million for 568 warehouse workers at one of Walmart’s largest contracted warehouses.
...
Workers and Schneider Logistics, a Walmart contractor for whom they worked, reached the settlement that will compensate workers for wages stolen from their paychecks. According to the original complaints, over a period of five years workers were shorted overtime and regular pay, they were denied rest breaks and meal breaks as required by the law and the company failed to keep accurate records or to provide itemized wage statements. Workers from the Mira Loma, California filed the lawsuit in federal court in March 2012.

Where is the proof that WalMart knew, ordered, and/or approved of the actions of Schneider Logistics?

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

How do we know how it is calculated, and who is calculated in it.  It is not demonstrated on that page, and I assure you it is more PR than fact.  Cuz I actually know people who work there, full time and part time, and they aint making close to that.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
This is the same lawsuit you referenced in your previous post as it would be telling of corporate level involvement.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

quote:

ORIGINAL: EdBowie

Seriously? The average wage across all Walmart employees, only averages out to a little above the living wage line?
Is that supposed to be impressive?

quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

First of all, the average wage for a WalMart employee exceeds 12 bucks an hour (Target....$11.35), as to benefits....WalMart is the singularly largest provider of health care in the United States (exception, the feds; Medicare).

Slave labor....I'll presume you're discussing India, burning buildings and all that stuff....Nike has twice the complaints against them in the international safety forums and, dollar for dollar...Target is ahead of WalMart by a long shot.

Check your shoes bud.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: EdBowie
Seriously? The average wage across all Walmart employees, only averages out to a little above the living wage line?
Is that supposed to be impressive?

quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
First of all, the average wage for a WalMart employee exceeds 12 bucks an hour (Target....$11.35), as to benefits....WalMart is the singularly largest provider of health care in the United States (exception, the feds; Medicare).
Slave labor....I'll presume you're discussing India, burning buildings and all that stuff....Nike has twice the complaints against them in the international safety forums and, dollar for dollar...Target is ahead of WalMart by a long shot.
Check your shoes bud.

Actually, it's $12.81 for all full-time hourly workers. Salaried workers and part-timer workers aren't included in that calculation.

http://corporate.walmart.com/our-story/working-at-walmart/opportunity-benefits

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
This is the same lawsuit you referenced in your previous post as it would be telling of corporate level involvement.

Not exactly. WalMart isn't a defendant in Schneider. Schneider is the defendant. WalMart was just added to Caruzzi or whatever it was. That lawsuit hasn't been decided yet.

Com'on, man! Read.

quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

How do we know how it is calculated, and who is calculated in it.  It is not demonstrated on that page, and I assure you it is more PR than fact.  Cuz I actually know people who work there, full time and part time, and they aint making close to that.

I've never met a Wal-Mart sales associate that was making more than $10. And many of my relatives and family friends work at Wal-Mart. In the part of Alabama they're from there are very few other jobs left.

(Color me surprised).

quote:

ORIGINAL: petitespot

This is a fast reply.

The new bosses' wife works for Walmart. She has management experience and works in management for Walmart. She also works along side her assistant manager who was hired by Walmart five years ago as a cart collector.
He walked around the parking lot and rounded up carts. Five years later he's assistant manager to one of the highest grossing stores in South Carolina.

They are both very happy with their jobs there.
Walmart is one of the few companies that will promote from within. They promote those employees who show initiative and get off their ass and go above and beyond the job outline.

I think that most people working low income jobs in this country would be very surprised at how they would be recognized and advanced in their minimum wage jobs...if they actually showed initiative and dedication instead of bolting as soon as their shift was up.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
This is the same lawsuit you referenced in your previous post as it would be telling of corporate level involvement.

Not exactly. WalMart isn't a defendant in Schneider. Schneider is the defendant. WalMart was just added to Caruzzi or whatever it was. That lawsuit hasn't been decided yet.
Com'on, man! Read.

My bad. This lawsuit only was against the Wal-Mart controlled "contractor" Schneider. The other lawsuit is against Schneider and Wal-Mart. However Schneider does nothing at the warehouse complex in question but handle shipping to Wal-Marts.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetgirlserves
The only reason Walmart can reflect any kind of decent "average" rate is because they actually do pay the people who have been there for 20 years (under Sam Walton) a decent wage, because they have to. These associates are also "protected", they don't get 'coached' out of a job because it would cause Walmart way to much negative publicity. So it is just a waiting game for them to get rid of the old timers. They should be retiring in the next 10 years, for the most part. The people who have been there for 20 years make a good pay plus get extra benefits (ie. bonuses) and also get paid time and a half to work on Sundays, so sure, some of them are making like $30 an hour on Sunday cashiering next to someone who has been working their for 2 years making barely over minimum wage. I am sure they are salivating at the bit for those old timers to retire... oh no, wait, of course not, after all, Walmart management definitely shares all of the same values Sam Walton did... right?

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

quote:

ORIGINAL: EdBowie

Seriously? The average wage across all Walmart employees, only averages out to a little above the living wage line?
Is that supposed to be impressive?

quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

First of all, the average wage for a WalMart employee exceeds 12 bucks an hour (Target....$11.35), as to benefits....WalMart is the singularly largest provider of health care in the United States (exception, the feds; Medicare).

Slave labor....I'll presume you're discussing India, burning buildings and all that stuff....Nike has twice the complaints against them in the international safety forums and, dollar for dollar...Target is ahead of WalMart by a long shot.

Check your shoes bud.

I don't recall exactly what I was thinking at the moment I wrote the above but, I don't think, even re-reading it now, its intent was to impress.

Were you impressed?

(Actually, I was more hopeful of educating you....doesn't appear that occurred).

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: EdBowie
Seriously? The average wage across all Walmart employees, only averages out to a little above the living wage line?
Is that supposed to be impressive?

quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
First of all, the average wage for a WalMart employee exceeds 12 bucks an hour (Target....$11.35), as to benefits....WalMart is the singularly largest provider of health care in the United States (exception, the feds; Medicare).
Slave labor....I'll presume you're discussing India, burning buildings and all that stuff....Nike has twice the complaints against them in the international safety forums and, dollar for dollar...Target is ahead of WalMart by a long shot.
Check your shoes bud.

Actually, it's $12.81 for all full-time hourly workers. Salaried workers and part-timer workers aren't included in that calculation.

http://corporate.walmart.com/our-story/working-at-walmart/opportunity-benefits