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LadyConstanze -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (3/28/2014 8:47:02 AM)

This reminds me, I recently was talking with somebody who's over 70, he said when he was young it was considered unmanly to eat pussy, getting a BJ was sort of a badge of honour, but a guy going down on a woman, oh that was a big taboo and also considered dangerous. Kind of hard to imagine for our generation.



Blueswordsman -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (3/28/2014 9:22:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

This reminds me, I recently was talking with somebody who's over 70, he said when he was young it was considered unmanly to eat pussy, getting a BJ was sort of a badge of honour, but a guy going down on a woman, oh that was a big taboo and also considered dangerous. Kind of hard to imagine for our generation.

Don't believe everything someone older tells you. Men have considered pussy a culinary delight as far back as HeteroErectus. [sm=yahoo.gif]



LadyConstanze -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (3/28/2014 12:36:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Blueswordsman


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

This reminds me, I recently was talking with somebody who's over 70, he said when he was young it was considered unmanly to eat pussy, getting a BJ was sort of a badge of honour, but a guy going down on a woman, oh that was a big taboo and also considered dangerous. Kind of hard to imagine for our generation.

Don't believe everything someone older tells you. Men have considered pussy a culinary delight as far back as HeteroErectus. [sm=yahoo.gif]


Then you should know that bumfucking each other was considered the purest and most noble relationship amongst the ancient Greek....



Blueswordsman -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (3/28/2014 1:01:04 PM)

Worse, while the Spartans were bumfucking 11 year old boys the Athenians were worshiping goddesses.

You know what I like about the younger generation (your age) They don’t consider BJs sex and at my age I consider it the best kind.



LadyConstanze -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (3/28/2014 1:06:26 PM)

Actually I do consider oral sex sex, maybe you want to take up real sports, jumping to conclusions doesn't keep you fit.

And you might want to read up on ancient Greek and their customs, wasn't just the Spartans.

The highest form of love was actually considered between 2 men (not always a young boy and an older mentor, but the warriors were encouraged to have love affairs, so they would fight for each other)
Hetairai (high class courtesans with great education) for prestige
Wifes were kept at home and considered needed to continue the line

In Sparta women actually had the most freedom, they were allowed to have property even when married...



Blueswordsman -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (3/28/2014 4:28:50 PM)

In the fun spirit of the past few posts There is a world of knowledge beyond Wikipedia

The Sacred Band of Thebes was the elite Greek fighting force of 150 pairs of male lovers. Their bravery and willingness to die for each other moved Alexander the Great.

Sparta believed that limiting sexual relationships to unit members created a stronger fighting unit. For the most part Spartans were straight. They didn’t have oral, anal or strapon sex with each other, they inserted their dicks between their F-buddies thighs and fucked. Spartan boys under twenty could be beaten if found having sex with a servant girl and killed if they were found having sex with a Spartan woman. After serving ten years in the army a Spartan’s family would arrange a wedding. On her Wedding night the bride was dressed like a member of the grooms military unit so he knew what to do.

A Spartan could not own or inherit land until he completed twenty years of military service. Spartan women lived a much better life then Spartan men. As children they played and studied. They ate delicious food, gathered together read and exercised. They owned their own servants, animals and jewelry. They did not own land. Spartan women could divorce and were free to fuck any strong Spartan that they thought could give them a strong Spartan baby. The State considered it every Spartan's duty to create as many perfect Spartans as possible.

Before you answer please realize we are speaking of Spartans. Nobles lived by different rules. Only 10% of the people living on the lands owned and conquered by Sparta were Spartans.

Athena is the goddess of Athens. They even named the place after her.

I thank God all 33 year old's don’t consider oral sex, sex




LadyConstanze -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (3/28/2014 4:48:54 PM)

Well, you know some of us actually had ancient Greek as part of the education, with all the different city states and stuff. While women in general were pretty much cattle then (as far as I remember even in Sparta they had no vote), in Sparta they were treated better than in the other city states.

The idea of having sexual relationships among members of the army was fairly popular in the Greek culture, the idea was that a man would rather die an honourable death than be disgraced as a coward in front of his lover, and also that somebody might fight even harder when he'd see his lover in danger, than if it's his own hide on the line. If you read between the lines in Homer, it's fairly blatant how much homoerotic stuff went on there.

Despite Athens worshipping Athena, women were treated fairly shabby there, well, not surprisingly, since Athena was a virgin, not born but jumped out of Zeus' skull fully armoured.... The wives were still kept as more or less breeding mares, despite the city worshipping a female deity...

Actually religion always interested me because it's a pretty good indicator of the society, if you go a bit further back, the whole Greek pantheon originated in a mother/earth goddess cult (Gaia) and as soon as men realized that they play a part in pro-creation, the society changed. For a while Greek mythology and culture was a bit of a hobby (typical for linguists), the mix of East and West (Troy is one example) is particularly fascinating and the influence it had on their pantheon.

As for 33, thanks a lot, I lay off the botox and the fillers then for a while.... Sex is sex, doesn't matter which orifice you employ. Different strokes for different folks, might not be my cup of tea, but if somebody else enjoys it, no skin of my back.



Blueswordsman -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (3/28/2014 5:53:24 PM)

Sparta was a baby factory. The State's success depended on healthy Spartan babies. Women didn't get pregnant until they were at least 18 years old (18 to 30 year old woman produced the healthiest babies). Women (Spartan baby factories) were kept comfortable and healthy. Their status improved by the number of healthy sons they birth.

Through history men and women had different roles. Women ruled in the home men ruled outside the house. For the most part they were happy. Love and family were the cornerstones of human development centenaries before farming.

I play with a 33 year old married woman. WE have a no sex (intercourse) agreement. Her husband and she don't consider oral, sex. I might not be 70 but at my age a BJ is better than sex or no sex.






FightingChains -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (3/28/2014 5:56:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
As for 33, thanks a lot, I lay off the botox and the fillers then for a while.... Sex is sex, doesn't matter which orifice you employ. Different strokes for different folks, might not be my cup of tea, but if somebody else enjoys it, no skin of my back.


It was your time in Australia, wasn't it... That's why you look 33. [;)]

And you captured my views regarding sex pretty much.



LadyConstanze -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (3/28/2014 6:15:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Blueswordsman

Sparta was a baby factory. The State's success depended on healthy Spartan babies. Women didn't get pregnant until they were at least 18 years old (18 to 30 year old woman produced the healthiest babies). Women (Spartan baby factories) were kept comfortable and healthy. Their status improved by the number of healthy sons they birth.

Through history men and women had different roles. Women ruled in the home men ruled outside the house. For the most part they were happy. Love and family were the cornerstones of human development centenaries before farming.

I play with a 33 year old married woman. WE have a no sex (intercourse) agreement. Her husband and she don't consider oral, sex. I might not be 70 but at my age a BJ is better than sex or no sex.







You are taking liberties with history here.... Spartan women were still ruled by men, they were indoctrinated to follow commands, first of their fathers, then of the husband. Where did you find the 18 year marriage rule, didn't find it in any of my history books. Also from a medical point of view, ideal child bearing age is actually much much younger, shortly after puberty is finished, the hips tend to be more flexible, reducing the risk of birth, especially in times when caesarians and all that modern rubbish wasn't easily available. For guys it was generally that marriage was after their military service but the Spartan society turned a blind eye if it wasn't flaunted.

As for the most part they were happy, have you talked to any of them or do you rely on history books (Spartans didn't like writing about their womenfolks, so most of it is oral history or what outsiders wrote, Chinese whispers, ya know)? Fairly typical for patriarchate societies that a woman's status depends on the number of healthy sons she bears (all through history, even down to Adolf, China has a shortness of young women due that too...), difficult to imagine that a woman with her mental facilities working would be happy to be a 2nd class citizen just due to her gender. You might be projecting... And our brains weren't that much different way back then, in the grand scheme of things, really not such a long time ago...

Well, great if you found somebody who doesn't consider oral sex sex, whatever floats their boat, personally I consider it a bit more intimate than a fuck, but that's just me.



frunandsins -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (3/28/2014 9:18:57 PM)

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Now hear this.Anal sex is a dangerous sexual behavior and can cause serious internal injuries, countless infections, twisted bowel, etc, etc., etc. Some people just consider it shitty.


Yes, your use of bigger font size totally compensates for the grossly inaccurate and misleading information about anal sex.

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goddess of logic, a straight male does not need to kiss another man romantically or shove something up his ass to be sexually liberated. The END of the end


That's not what we said though. In fact I think I have stated that I never thought straight men need to like sex with other men to be considered sexually liberated. If you re-read the post, you will see that the issue is someone letting a cultural constraint stopping them from exploring the fullness of their sexual likes and dislikes. It would be no different than if a woman deciding against bondage because only freaks do that.



JeffBC -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (3/28/2014 9:45:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
Of course no one needs to take it up the ass to be sexually liberated. But what you need to be sexually liberated is the ability to consider doing it... and it seems that said consideration is taboo for male straight dominants.

some straight male dominants.

Although who knows, after the whole panties thing here on collarme maybe I'm gay by circumstantial evidence? I dunno, but threads like this make me really glad I never identified with the word "masculine" so I can just go about my life being me. I'll let the marlboro man be the marlboro man.



Blueswordsman -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (3/29/2014 2:04:54 AM)



Anal sex is a dangerous sexual behavior and can cause serious internal injuries, countless infections, twisted bowel, etc, etc., etc. Just ask your doctor.

I was using... a straight male does not need to kiss another man romantically to be sexually liberated ... as another example of something you do not have to do to be sexually liberated. Unlike the goddesses of logic I don't think a man has to consider shoving somthing up his ass to be liberated to shove something up his ass.



Blueswordsman -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (3/29/2014 2:21:38 AM)

History has always been written by the winners and unfortunately changes daily. The internet is great at getting information quickly but is not always right or consistent.
Go to http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/8-reasons-it-wasnt-easy-being-spartan It will agree and disagree with the books I believe more accurately describe the lives of Spartan women. My sources were.The Spartans: The World of the Warrior-heroes of Ancient Greece and Greeks and Romans at war.

From thr History.com “Spartan men were not allowed to live with their wives until age 30. Spartan society didn’t discourage romantic love, but marriage and childrearing were both subject to some peculiar cultural and governmental constraints. The state counseled that men should marry at age 30 and women at 20. Since all men were required to live in a military barracks until 30, couples who married earlier were forced to live separately until the husband completed his active duty military service. The Spartans book mentions that woman married at a later age because the babies were more likely to be healthy
The Spartans saw marriage primarily as a means for conceiving new soldiers, and citizens were encouraged to consider the health and fitness of their mate before tying the knot. In fact, husbands who were unable to have children were expected to seek out virile substitutes to impregnate their wives. Likewise, bachelors were seen as neglecting their duty and were often publicly mocked and humiliated at religious festivals.”

Forget the JB stuff. You mentioned how your 70 year old friend felt about a BJ. I agree with him and find it almost unbelievable that a lot of young people don't consider it sex. Not complaining just amazed how times have changed.



UllrsIshtar -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (3/29/2014 2:22:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Blueswordsman


Unlike the goddesses of logic


Man... you really have an issue with the fact that other people titled me that, don't you? Insecure?



LadyPact -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (3/29/2014 2:29:19 AM)

Blow jobs aren't sex, huh? Tell it to Clinton.



LadyConstanze -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (3/29/2014 8:51:34 AM)

Times have possibly changed, but during university I took a few history classes out of interest, Propylaen Welt Geschichte used to be considered the standard, and I grabbed it and checked up upon Sparta, they claim that the women were married in their teens, yes, not being married as a guy and not doing your duty in creating little Spartans got you not only mocked, but also highly taxed, however the soldiers were often known to get married on the sly and sneaking away to visit the wives. Examples were made out of those who didn't perform well as soldiers, while with good fighters those "marriages" were often overlooked as long as they weren't flaunted.

Actually I never mentioned how my 70 year old friend felt about BJs, he was on about performing cunnilingus on women, and that when he was a teen, it was considered unmanly to do so among his peers, when he was young "real men didn't eat pussy" and he said since he liked it and the women liked it, he got laid more often than his peers.



Blueswordsman -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (3/29/2014 4:41:44 PM)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta

Go to
.[105] Most important, rather than being married off at the age of 12 or 13, Spartan law forbade the marriage of a girl until she was in her late teens or early 20s. The reasons for delaying marriage were to ensure the birth of healthy children, but the effect was to spare Spartan women the hazards and lasting health damage associated with pregnancy among adolescents. Spartan women, better fed from childhood and fit from exercise, stood a far better chance of reaching old age than their sisters in other Greek cities, where the median age for death was 34.6 years or roughly 10 years below that of me.



LadyConstanze -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (3/29/2014 4:51:49 PM)

So we established you're good at googlefu, however, you are aware that anybody can create a wikipedia entry and that by no means wikipedia is considered a reliable source? There were some rather prominent examples where it all went dramatically wrong, I tend to rely more on peer reviewed research.

Wikipedia entries are the equivalent of an argument claiming "it's a well known fact" - I used to have an editor who kept a bell in a desk drawer which he rang whenever somebody mentioned "well known fact", in history and science, if it's not peer reviewed, it means jack shit.



youthinkso121 -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (3/29/2014 7:33:19 PM)

I'm not arguing one side or the other, but biology says if you are fertile and can become pregnant, You are able to give birth to a healthy baby.



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