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RE: The Word of the Average American - 12/13/2013 7:52:25 PM   
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The topic might be of the American football, the aussie version is better and played with no pads, might be of cooking, might be of the books wanted to be read over the holidays. It does just depend upon the posters and if they can keep it as the topic should be.

This is just my thoughts and two cents worth.

Be well.

Frank Ar.




Hello Frank,
I have a question about this. Are you saying that the topic is Gorean if only Gorean people are discussing it? The reason I ask is... If it is only Goreans who can discuss these non-philosophy things, what of the people who appreciate Gorean discussions who don't subscribe to the philosophy? The people who read the books and discuss these things, perhaps consider themselves "in line" with Goreans but not actually Goreans? Do they have no "right" to bring up and discuss topics or at least shouldn't? (I'm not trying to be all or nothing here... just curious if this is what you are saying). And the people who are looking at the philosophy and wondering if it is their cup of tea, so to speak. They are considering it.

I'm thinking of this analogy... I know people who are not Christians, but they have studied Christian philosophy, the books, the history, the language. They are well informed. They enjoy the music and the readings, the services, and the celebrations. But they are not Christians. Perhaps they are considering converting. Wouldn't they be the very ones who would be welcomed into the fold? Wouldn't they be appreciated, their sincere and well thought out questions responded to?

I do see that with some of the folks here. (I spoke of Red Magic, Lady Pact, and Crazy ML as examples of that - and I wonder if it's fair to add myself to that list).

I have actually found this thread to be an enjoyable discussion for the most part. I enjoy backing up my words with research - it's the geek in me perhaps. :) I enjoy seeing other people's points of views - even if they are completely different than my own. But yes, I know the "blowing smoke out your bum" kind of posting that you are talking of as well...

I enjoy finding real life examples of what I believe. I think that may be inline with what you are saying, but I don't want to presume.

best,
sunshine
*please note, I am aware that anyone can post anywhere on any forum.


*eta: Frank, please note - I responded to something else you said on the previous page. It was the last post and may get lost since I responded here also.

< Message edited by sunshinemiss -- 12/13/2013 7:53:31 PM >

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RE: The Word of the Average American - 12/13/2013 8:13:27 PM   
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I think this is my point -- EVERYTHING is a Gorean topic.

Then it really makes no difference whether something is Gorean -- an arbitrary distinction based on nothing.

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Anyway, I've made a number of points, backed up by research

Really. Where is this "research" again?

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which are being ignored or responded to with anecdotal information.

...which you are exemplifying in your posts, Saint Sunny.

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RE: The Word of the Average American - 12/13/2013 8:34:34 PM   
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My son made President's List last semester. He uses his Ipad for note taking.

My daughter graduated one of the top 15 private universities two years ago. Had she been required to use cursive, she would not have been admitted. Thankfully we have the ADA which prevents people from discriminating against students with fine motor skill problems and tremors.



Hello DesFIP,
It is extremist statements like this, often put out there by people who are hurt, that cause people to end the communication towards a postive paradigm shift (back to basics, I would say). My brother was born with a whole lot more problems with his arms and his hands... in fact he has no radius bone in either arm, no wrist, and fingers that are not the same as us. He can write cursive... He is self disciplined and choses to do so. But, most oftentimes, he uses the computer. He has a Masters Degree in Public Administration from an Ivy League School in Massachusetts. And I, his sister, and second mother, watched every step of his struggles, ma'am... I spent more time in the hosptal then I would ever imagine any young kid without problems would....'

Back to the subject, the IMPORTANT SUBJECT FOR THE GOOD OF ALL HUMANITY NOT TO BE SIDESWIPED BY THE TEMPORARILY INJURED CHILDREN OF THE WORLD (This is one of those instances, Children should be seen and not heard, I believe)....


It is important for Scribes to share the value of language, because after all, EVERYTHING, seems to be built on effective communication. We have so many problems communicating in the same language in one house sometimes among those we love. This is where we have to start, and Christmas reminds us of this, I believe. And for that, i am truly thankful.


Sincerely,
~sgs

(I am a teacher and I have taught special needs as well, so please, don't even think you can derail me looking for pity, because you can't. It's way too important for that.)

*Edited for Spelling Errors

< Message edited by sweetgirlserves -- 12/13/2013 9:07:34 PM >

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RE: The Word of the Average American - 12/14/2013 4:09:51 AM   
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To identify something as an action belonging to a particular group, the criteria is a mutually exclusive set of identifiers. I also buy bread as a musician. But I'm not sure you could tell the difference. That's because there is no relevant difference.


Having been a part of discussions on this board over the years, I have yet to see or hear anything that is a mutually exclusive set of identifiers for Goreans. I have even stated that my dad could have been Gorean, because of the life he led and the beliefs he held closest.

To me, it is much more effective to discuss the things we have in common in order to better understand each other.

I know that some folks come to this section to poke the bear. Some of us actually come to discuss things when we see a topic that catches our eye. If being Gorean is not wanting to hear the thoughts of anyone who is not Gorean, then it is not the honorable thing I have thought it is. If being Gorean is personally attacking someone who disagrees with you in a respectful manner, then it is not the honorable thing that I have thought it is. If being Gorean is living under the illusion that you are somehow special and superior to others because of something that is believed to be only Gorean, it is not what I have believed it is.

As some of us have said in this thread, everything can be a Gorean subject. Why it was chosen to make this thread one to attack people who have had different life experiences than your own, I will never understand.

Being an honorable person is 24/7 isn't it? Or is it something you can just turn off when you disagree with someone?

All of the you and your things in this reply are generic, the questions are to anyone who would care to reply.

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RE: The Word of the Average American - 12/14/2013 4:14:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sweetgirlserves

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My son made President's List last semester. He uses his Ipad for note taking.

My daughter graduated one of the top 15 private universities two years ago. Had she been required to use cursive, she would not have been admitted. Thankfully we have the ADA which prevents people from discriminating against students with fine motor skill problems and tremors.



Hello DesFIP,
It is extremist statements like this, often put out there by people who are hurt, that cause people to end the communication towards a postive paradigm shift (back to basics, I would say). My brother was born with a whole lot more problems with his arms and his hands... in fact he has no radius bone in either arm, no wrist, and fingers that are not the same as us. He can write cursive... He is self disciplined and choses to do so. But, most oftentimes, he uses the computer. He has a Masters Degree in Public Administration from an Ivy League School in Massachusetts. And I, his sister, and second mother, watched every step of his struggles, ma'am... I spent more time in the hosptal then I would ever imagine any young kid without problems would....'

Back to the subject, the IMPORTANT SUBJECT FOR THE GOOD OF ALL HUMANITY NOT TO BE SIDESWIPED BY THE TEMPORARILY INJURED CHILDREN OF THE WORLD (This is one of those instances, Children should be seen and not heard, I believe)....


It is important for Scribes to share the value of language, because after all, EVERYTHING, seems to be built on effective communication. We have so many problems communicating in the same language in one house sometimes among those we love. This is where we have to start, and Christmas reminds us of this, I believe. And for that, i am truly thankful.


Sincerely,
~sgs

(I am a teacher and I have taught special needs as well, so please, don't even think you can derail me looking for pity, because you can't. It's way too important for that.)

*Edited for Spelling Errors

sgs, could you please explain to me how this was an extremist statement? When I read it, I thought nothing more than it was another person explaining their experiences that pertain to the OP.

Looking for pity? I really do not understand how being happy that a child who was able to excel, in spite of a handicap, is looking for pity. Are all special needs students, who have an IEP receiving pity? Or are they being given as level a playing field as is possible to help them be all they can be in life?

If I misinterpreted your words, I apologize and I am sure you will let me know.

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RE: The Word of the Average American - 12/14/2013 5:33:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

I'm not trying to be all or nothing here...

best,
sunshine
*please note, I am aware that anyone can post anywhere on any forum.


*eta: Frank, please note - I responded to something else you said on the previous page. It was the last post and may get lost since I responded here also.


Greetings sunshine,

I know you do not what to come across as being like this, but on your posts about the topic, in my eyes, you seem to be on this cliff, you know what I mean.

You have posted in the Gorean section before, and I have had no probs, or maybe, my memory is always lacking in some decades....chuckles away. You could have just bitten your lip and just said that you have to agree to disagree, every person's life is different, nice and simple. But it was like 2 people pissing in the snow, you know what I mean....just chuckles a bit. For instance I have asked Arturas a few questions and he has answered in his way, because of the way he leads his life, I just do not continue the discussion because it is just going to go into circles. LadyPact has come into here and written posts, and she has an eye from a different angle, CrazyML is the same and then some, I do not have a hassle.

I just have the hassle when the posts go astray and then go for that like for 3 pages. The discussion goes sideways and then people loose interest and then they just go away thinking that it is how the gorean section is. Outside posters are always wanted, but their honour and morals are tested by their own thoughts on a few books and trying to remember them after a decade or so, but they stand their ground on just their knowledge and maturity and you just cant fault them on anything.

But that is just me.

Frank Ar.


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RE: The Word of the Average American - 12/14/2013 5:40:25 AM   
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RE: The Word of the Average American - 12/14/2013 5:36:14 PM   
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Well that was interesting...

Kinda like self pity followed by cyber-suicide?

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RE: The Word of the Average American - 12/15/2013 11:41:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub


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ORIGINAL: sweetgirlserves

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

My son made President's List last semester. He uses his Ipad for note taking.

My daughter graduated one of the top 15 private universities two years ago. Had she been required to use cursive, she would not have been admitted. Thankfully we have the ADA which prevents people from discriminating against students with fine motor skill problems and tremors.



Hello DesFIP,
It is extremist statements like this, often put out there by people who are hurt, that cause people to end the communication towards a postive paradigm shift (back to basics, I would say). My brother was born with a whole lot more problems with his arms and his hands... in fact he has no radius bone in either arm, no wrist, and fingers that are not the same as us. He can write cursive... He is self disciplined and choses to do so. But, most oftentimes, he uses the computer. He has a Masters Degree in Public Administration from an Ivy League School in Massachusetts. And I, his sister, and second mother, watched every step of his struggles, ma'am... I spent more time in the hosptal then I would ever imagine any young kid without problems would....'

Back to the subject, the IMPORTANT SUBJECT FOR THE GOOD OF ALL HUMANITY NOT TO BE SIDESWIPED BY THE TEMPORARILY INJURED CHILDREN OF THE WORLD (This is one of those instances, Children should be seen and not heard, I believe)....


It is important for Scribes to share the value of language, because after all, EVERYTHING, seems to be built on effective communication. We have so many problems communicating in the same language in one house sometimes among those we love. This is where we have to start, and Christmas reminds us of this, I believe. And for that, i am truly thankful.


Sincerely,
~sgs

(I am a teacher and I have taught special needs as well, so please, don't even think you can derail me looking for pity, because you can't. It's way too important for that.)

*Edited for Spelling Errors

sgs, could you please explain to me how this was an extremist statement? When I read it, I thought nothing more than it was another person explaining their experiences that pertain to the OP.

Looking for pity? I really do not understand how being happy that a child who was able to excel, in spite of a handicap, is looking for pity. Are all special needs students, who have an IEP receiving pity? Or are they being given as level a playing field as is possible to help them be all they can be in life?

If I misinterpreted your words, I apologize and I am sure you will let me know.




Greetings 1stAnotherSub,

Thank you for offering me another opportunity to continue to explain my thoughts on this topic.

And if we could possibly de-personalize it away from this particular mom/child and just make it generic to any mother (or parent) and their child. I have two daughters of my own, now adults, by law anyways. Since I am probably around 3 or 4 myself (on good days), I truly doubt they are much older than that.... but I digress....

I believe she said: My daughter graduated one of the top 15 private universities two years ago. Had she been required to use cursive, she would not have been admitted.

That, to me, is an extremist statement, attempting to shock and awe you. Shock and awe, meaning.... you are so shocked by the idea that you are now placed in 'awe' or are unable to think clearly about it, usually, leading to your own, and our own detriment.

She is looking for pity here...

Thankfully we have the ADA which prevents people from discriminating against students with fine motor skill problems and tremors.

I understand and have compassion for kids with fine motor skill problems and tremors, and honestly, I would be much more interested in finding out how to help that kid get better, than just excusing him or her from having to overcome their adversity to gain the necessary skills (and the character traits and overall quality of character that accompany the brain-to-writing connections that are formed in those childhood stages of development) that are required to be an important member of society. Important member of society, is a whole other discussion in itself. Understand, you can be a head of a corporation, and be a very unimportant member of society. You can be a janitor in an elementary school, and be one of the most important members of society on the planet.

Sincerely,
~sgs

*edited for further clarity.

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RE: The Word of the Average American - 12/15/2013 2:36:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		This has now been moved from the Gorean section to Off Topic since there is nothing that relates to Gorean Lifestyles, per the section guidelines of the Gorean section.

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RE: The Word of the Average American - 12/15/2013 3:54:19 PM   
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That, to me, is an extremist statement, attempting to shock and awe you. Shock and awe, meaning.... you are so shocked by the idea that you are now placed in 'awe' or are unable to think clearly about it, usually, leading to your own, and our own detriment.


Or, it could just be, I dunno, the truth?

To me, you read a lot into something that was not there. I do believe we all see the world according to what we have lived thus far, so I won't try to change your feelings on it.

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RE: The Word of the Average American - 12/15/2013 8:03:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

My son made President's List last semester. He uses his Ipad for note taking.

My daughter graduated one of the top 15 private universities two years ago. Had she been required to use cursive, she would not have been admitted. Thankfully we have the ADA which prevents people from discriminating against students with fine motor skill problems and tremors.



Hello DesFIP,
It is extremist statements like this, often put out there by people who are hurt, that cause people to end the communication towards a postive paradigm shift (back to basics, I would say).

We have so many problems communicating in the same language in one house sometimes among those we love. This is where we have to start, and Christmas reminds us of this, I believe. And for that, i am truly thankful.





How is a statement of fact an extremist statement? She's had trouble with teachers who didn't believe students like her should have been allowed in school. Thankfully the Dean and the head of the department did not subscribe to illegal discrimination.

Wasting her time writing in cursive instead of spending that time thinking is not something I would ever have approved of.

Beyond that, I would remind you that the entire world is not Christian and therefore doesn't feel obligated to go by your rules. Although I don't remember any Christianity in Norman's fiction writing which makes me wonder how you can be a good gorean while subscribing to an earth religion.


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RE: The Written Word of the Average Person - 12/15/2013 8:32:17 PM   
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[Do you think anyone stops to think of the value of their word anymore? Is it something that we have lost value for...


Yes. No. *yawn*.


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That was a rude comment and completely uncalled for.

Best wishes,
sunshine

(edited - grammar)



So Right. If you don't have anything to say about a load of crap original post you should not say anything.

I shall beat her. Unfortunately she will enjoy it. But I will do my best. Unfortunately she will enjoy that also.

Arturas



If she will enjoy it then why do it? Deny the beating then.


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RE: The Written Word of the Average Person - 12/15/2013 9:10:01 PM   
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RE: The Written Word of the Average Person - 12/16/2013 10:58:01 AM   
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Just for the record, I am a big fan of all things Gorean.
I especially like their foods, such as kim chi and rumaki.
In fact, this coming year I plan to take a vacation trip to South Gorea.


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