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RE: Junk science - 12/4/2013 8:13:14 AM   
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This must be wrong. Everyone knows that men and women are not just equal in the eyes of the law but identical
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There cannot possibly be any differences because liberal theology tells us so. WRONG on too many levels

Next these crackpots, these scientists, will tell us that hormonal differences create behavioral differences. Pure bullshit. And you strike out YET again

Male and female brains are wired differently



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RE: Junk science - 12/4/2013 3:17:50 PM   
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Liberalism is a theology, and has maintained for my adult lifetime that the sexes are, in effect, identical.


The actual common liberal opinion is not that the sexes are identical (it would take an idiot not to notice numerous differences like girls have boobies) the common liberal opinion (and moderate opinion) is actually that the sexes should be treated equally. The complete ineptitude of some at comprehending that difference between these two positions makes me wonder if asshat is a theology.

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RE: Junk science - 12/4/2013 3:58:34 PM   
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Junk science? Isn't that what the mouthbreathing neocons have been trying to do for years?


I've never understood why, when someone uses the word "mouthbreathing" in front of a title or class of people, that it's somehow defining as a negative pejorative.

Last time I checked, most of my friends breath through their mouths.

I think my Mom breathes through her mouth. I know my brother, all my staff and the Judge who made me pay a ticket a few months ago do as well.
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Now that I think about it, my cat, the neighbors dog, and nearly every bird I can think of do also.

I think, if you actually look, you'll find that your cat keeps its mouth shut except to eat or meow: so either it breathes through its nose like most animals, or it's dead.

Dogs only breathe through their mouths when they need to cool themselves by evaporation from the tongue, a purely canine behaviour.

Birds, again, keep their beaks shut except when eating or calling, so again, breathing through the nostrils, which is what the nostrils are for.

Humans, on the other hand, often open their mouths without thinking, and say things that a moment's thought would correct.

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RE: Junk science - 12/4/2013 4:04:42 PM   
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Liberalism is a theology, and has maintained for my adult lifetime that the sexes are, in effect, identical.


The actual common liberal opinion is not that the sexes are identical (it would take an idiot not to notice numerous differences like girls have boobies) the common liberal opinion (and moderate opinion) is actually that the sexes should be treated equally. The complete ineptitude of some at comprehending that difference between these two positions makes me wonder if asshat is a theology.


It's not a mistake, it's an elementary trick of dishonest argument known as the straw man. You misrepresent your opponent's position as being something patently absurd, so that you can knock it down without effort: but all you have knocked down is the straw man you set up yourself. However, if you do it with enough conviction, your allies will be convinced that you have achieved something noteworthy. And since your opponents are not going to make fools of themselves defending the absurd proposition you have attributed to them, you can take their silence as proof that you have floored them with your devastating rhetoric.

Childish, but it makes them feel better.

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RE: Junk science - 12/4/2013 11:41:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave
Liberalism is a theology, and has maintained for my adult lifetime that the sexes are, in effect, identical.


The actual common liberal opinion is not that the sexes are identical (it would take an idiot not to notice numerous differences like girls have boobies) the common liberal opinion (and moderate opinion) is actually that the sexes should be treated equally. The complete ineptitude of some at comprehending that difference between these two positions makes me wonder if asshat is a theology.


It's not a mistake, it's an elementary trick of dishonest argument known as the straw man. You misrepresent your opponent's position as being something patently absurd, so that you can knock it down without effort: but all you have knocked down is the straw man you set up yourself. However, if you do it with enough conviction, your allies will be convinced that you have achieved something noteworthy. And since your opponents are not going to make fools of themselves defending the absurd proposition you have attributed to them, you can take their silence as proof that you have floored them with your devastating rhetoric.

Childish, but it makes them feel better.


Of course, the absolutel master of this has been O'bama himself. Time and time and time again.

"Some have said we must make the false choice between our ideals and our security". Who? Who said that. No one says that - certainly no one in mainstream politics.

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RE: Junk science - 12/5/2013 3:19:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave
Liberalism is a theology, and has maintained for my adult lifetime that the sexes are, in effect, identical.


The actual common liberal opinion is not that the sexes are identical (it would take an idiot not to notice numerous differences like girls have boobies) the common liberal opinion (and moderate opinion) is actually that the sexes should be treated equally. The complete ineptitude of some at comprehending that difference between these two positions makes me wonder if asshat is a theology.


It's not a mistake, it's an elementary trick of dishonest argument known as the straw man. You misrepresent your opponent's position as being something patently absurd, so that you can knock it down without effort: but all you have knocked down is the straw man you set up yourself. However, if you do it with enough conviction, your allies will be convinced that you have achieved something noteworthy. And since your opponents are not going to make fools of themselves defending the absurd proposition you have attributed to them, you can take their silence as proof that you have floored them with your devastating rhetoric.

Childish, but it makes them feel better.


Of course, the absolutel master of this has been O'bama himself. Time and time and time again.

"Some have said we must make the false choice between our ideals and our security". Who? Who said that. No one says that - certainly no one in mainstream politics.

W, Cheney and every one who supported torture made that argument. Obama rejected it as did every true patriot.

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RE: Junk science - 12/5/2013 4:00:19 AM   
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Funny. Sad but funny.

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RE: Junk science - 12/5/2013 8:01:45 PM   
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I've never understood why, when someone uses the word "mouthbreathing" in front of a title or class of people, that it's somehow defining as a negative pejorative.

Last time I checked, most of my friends breath through their mouths.

I think my Mom breathes through her mouth. I know my brother, all my staff and the Judge who made me pay a ticket a few months ago do as well.


Mouthbreather is perjorative because it implies that one is too lacking in intelligence or self awareness to figure out that it's unnatractive to go through life with ones mouth hanging open.






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RE: Junk science - 12/5/2013 9:14:16 PM   
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Mouthbreather is perjorative because it implies that one is too lacking in intelligence or self awareness to figure out that it's unnatractive to go through life with ones mouth hanging open.

I hear the last living female mouth breather died giving a blow job.

K.


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RE: Junk science - 12/5/2013 11:45:23 PM   
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Studies about men/women brain has been going on for some time, yes there does appear to be some differences in the brain and how they think. I suggest you read "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus".



Really? A pop culture book from what 10 years ago - and thats your suggested reading?

How about aphasia studies?
How about comparison of the corpus callosum.
How about logitudinal comparison - or comparison of the cerebellum, or amygdala.
How about sex linked differentiaion of brain structures that occurs about 5 weeks before birth.
How about studies in folds/ weights.
How about differential studies in the preoptic nerve.

How about studies of agression/ risk taking/ verbal/spatial acuity in toddlers?

The amusing thing is our bodies are so different - and yet we think the brains should be the same. Men and women evolve for different roles - that includes physical, emotional, and intellectual. We see this every day in the D/s world.. and the best you can do is "there does appear to be some difference?"


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RE: Junk science - 12/6/2013 3:04:44 AM   
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The amusing thing is our bodies are so different - and yet we think the brains should be the same. Men and women evolve for different roles - that includes physical, emotional, and intellectual. We see this every day in the D/s world.. and the best you can do is "there does appear to be some difference?"




Who thinks that the brains should be the same? It's been pretty common knowledge that male and female brains operate in different ways for some time.




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RE: Junk science - 12/6/2013 8:03:56 AM   
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Studies about men/women brain has been going on for some time, yes there does appear to be some differences in the brain and how they think. I suggest you read "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus".



Really? A pop culture book from what 10 years ago - and thats your suggested reading?

How about aphasia studies?
How about comparison of the corpus callosum.
How about logitudinal comparison - or comparison of the cerebellum, or amygdala.
How about sex linked differentiaion of brain structures that occurs about 5 weeks before birth.
How about studies in folds/ weights.
How about differential studies in the preoptic nerve.

How about studies of agression/ risk taking/ verbal/spatial acuity in toddlers?

The amusing thing is our bodies are so different - and yet we think the brains should be the same. Men and women evolve for different roles - that includes physical, emotional, and intellectual. We see this every day in the D/s world.. and the best you can do is "there does appear to be some difference?"




Here is a few

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/269652.php

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/01/000131075609.htm

http://www.webmd.com/sex/features/sex-drive-how-do-men-women-compare

http://drjamesdobson.org/Solid-Answers/Answers?a=ff773023-2693-410d-b9e1-662f6985be4e

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RE: Junk science - 12/6/2013 10:55:32 AM   
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It was originally used as a descriptive term in literature for an individual of low intelligence, applying it to entire groups seems to be a recent misappropriation.

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Junk science? Isn't that what the mouthbreathing neocons have been trying to do for years?


I've never understood why, when someone uses the word "mouthbreathing" in front of a title or class of people, that it's somehow defining as a negative pejorative.

Last time I checked, most of my friends breath through their mouths.

I think my Mom breathes through her mouth. I know my brother, all my staff and the Judge who made me pay a ticket a few months ago do as well.

Now that I think about it, my cat, the neighbors dog, and nearly every bird I can think of do also.


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RE: Junk science - 12/6/2013 1:14:06 PM   
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Who thinks that the brains should be the same? It's been pretty common knowledge that male and female brains operate in different ways for some time.





Myself, I always wondered how you can get quite bright women who have such small heads. One of my exes had a head the size of a chaffinch's. She was also a pisshead who never stopped quaffing gin. I always thought her brain would have looked like a pickled walnut - but she was as sharp as an arrow.


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RE: Junk science - 12/6/2013 1:15:26 PM   
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A great deal of protein in beefeaters, perhaps?  Real brainfood?

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RE: Junk science - 12/6/2013 1:15:38 PM   
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LOL I am not sure if that was a compliment or an insult.
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Who thinks that the brains should be the same? It's been pretty common knowledge that male and female brains operate in different ways for some time.





Myself, I always wondered how you can get quite bright women who have such small heads. One of my exes had a head the size of a chaffinch's. She was also a pisshead who never stopped quaffing gin. I always thought her brain would have looked like a pickled walnut - but she was as sharp as an arrow.



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RE: Junk science - 12/6/2013 1:23:43 PM   
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A great deal of protein in beefeaters, perhaps?  Real brainfood?


I say 'bright', but not when it came to visual-spatial matters. She'd need a space the length of a battleship to park her car without hitting the cars in front and behind.

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RE: Junk science - 12/6/2013 3:55:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

This must be wrong. Everyone knows that men and women are not just equal in the eyes of the law but identical. There cannot possibly be any differences because liberal theology tells us so.

Next these crackpots, these scientists, will tell us that hormonal differences create behavioral differences. Pure bullshit.

Male and female brains are wired differently


Well, guys are better at writing their names in the snow.
Well, Chaz Bono is too,...now.
The term "Mouthbreathers" immediately reminds me of The Kennedy's.

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RE: Junk science - 12/6/2013 7:52:19 PM   
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The term "Mouthbreathers" immediately reminds me of The Kennedy's.

It reminds me of people who cannot figure out how to correctly use an apostrophe.

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RE: Junk science - 12/7/2013 11:34:04 AM   
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Junk science? Isn't that what the mouthbreathing neocons have been trying to do for years?


I've never understood why, when someone uses the word "mouthbreathing" in front of a title or class of people, that it's somehow defining as a negative pejorative.

Last time I checked, most of my friends breath through their mouths.

I think my Mom breathes through her mouth. I know my brother, all my staff and the Judge who made me pay a ticket a few months ago do as well.

Now that I think about it, my cat, the neighbors dog, and nearly every bird I can think of do also.

We are all mouthbreathers. If we weren't we wouldn't be evolving past using our sinuses they being evermore clogged with un-burnt hydrocarbons.

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