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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

That's actually a pretty good point: can any of the Americans in here cite any examples of school nailbombings or homebrewed chemical attacks rather than shootings? I can't think of any myself, and I'd be interested to know if there were any such cases, rather than some bullied brat throwing a tantrum with daddy's gun.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
the US way of doing things ain't working.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Thank you. I thought all of the students who died at Columbine were shot and the ieds weren't a great success, though?

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Ummm... because they couldn't otherwise get their smutty little hands on the guns in the first place to make those killings??

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The US more than pretty much anywhere else on the planet.
However, they don't seem to be able to enforce what laws they have.

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Then I'll go back to my original assessment that your postings here are just xenophobic glee that American kids are dying. You've proven that beyond any shadow of a doubt by repeatedly refusing to engage in grown up discourse about a solution, and you've contributed nothing but shadenfreude and snark.

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Very much so Moonhead. Social Serices have an uphill struggle doing anything at all. The police have limited powers to seize children if they are deemed to be at significant risk but there are strict time constraints on that before judgement is rendered [72 hours] as to whether the children can justifiably be taken into another form of care or returned to their parents/guardians.  It is a very difficult situation not made any easier by hyperbolic media caricatures.

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The first thing the gov could do to help with this is to decriminalize the disciplining of children.

Just whats needed, a return to the days of child abuse being acceptable. It has been well proven that children who are beaten constantly follow suit as adults.

Discipline equals child abuse? Are you serious? Or are you utilizing a wholly different word(s) or idea as to, well, be yourself? [:D]

Anyone who thinks that a spanking equals a beating is a fool.

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

That's got to be the clumsiest lie I've seen in a while, and I just got through with grade appeals and have seen some whoppers.

You made the blanket equivalency between the whole range of possibilities covered by the word 'discipline, and 'a return to the days of child abuse'. There in no other interpretation that can be made by anyone who isn't barking at the moon insane, or else trivializing the victims of actual child abuse.
You don't own the dictionary, you don't get to pass off your irrational ideas as monolithic definitions that are binding on the world.

Discipline in raising a child consists of saying 'No', restricting access to non-essential items like TV, adding extra chores, limiting freedom to leave one's room, writing something that reflects on the undesirable behavior, and so on.
Abuse is abuse. Not knowing that there is a difference is a very disturbing thought.

You are so far wrong here, that no amount of spin, denial, lying, or name calling, is going to dig you out.

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Actually, since you failed to notice, I said it was one of two things, either you forgot about the revolution, or you are practicing that well noted Brit tactic of believing that the way you do it in the UK is the way everyone should do things.

Of course your myopic ability to only grasp one of the two things I stated is rather normal from what I have seen.

This holier than thou crap preached to the rest of the world by Brits is getting rather old. Especially since you dont seem to do a fucking bit of research on what the fuck you are talking about.

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Now the Brits are telling us how to run our country, in the area of guns at least. Evidently they either have failed to remember the revolution or they are stuck in the "our way is a hell of a lot better than anyone else's" mentality.

Ohhhh gawd. It's back to the War of Independence again. [:D] JLF, that's beyond pathetic, and I think you know it. Heads up: It's centuries past the time when it was plausible to complain about a tiny island the other side of the Atlantic bullying the USA. You bully yourselves plenty well enough for any other nation to want to bother. For an example: re-read the title of this thread.

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Ummm... because they couldn't otherwise get their smutty little hands on the guns in the first place to make those killings??

You just don't get it. One other poster said in the US it would take decades to get to where the UK is on gun control. They should have said many decades or a century. Here we have a crap load more people than the UK and a crap load more land with wide open spaces in between the more populated areas. Unlike the UK we have a crap load of people out of our crap load of a population who own firearms along with the notion they're entitled to possess them, you know, the 2nd amendment and all that stuff. Gun control won't go over the same way here as it did in the UK.

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The US more than pretty much anywhere else on the planet.
However, they don't seem to be able to enforce what laws they have.

There are certainly some gun laws that could be enforced that aren't. A bunch of fuckwitt gun grabbers want to make new restrictive gun laws yet we don't even enforce all the ones we have.

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Very much so Moonhead. Social Serices have an uphill struggle doing anything at all. The police have limited powers to seize children if they are deemed to be at significant risk but there are strict time constraints on that before judgement is rendered [72 hours] as to whether the children can justifiably be taken into another form of care or returned to their parents/guardians.  It is a very difficult situation not made any easier by hyperbolic media caricatures.

I agree that for many circumstances the Social Services are hard-pressed to make anything happen.
But in other cases it seems so easy and quick-as-lightning.

2 years ago when my step-son was causing all sorts of havoc at home (and oh boy was I glad we don't have guns over here coz we'd all be dead), we had a daily WW3 argument that often went on for hours and hours and frequently well into the early hours of silly o'clock.
One day I was arrested, without warning, and hauled into court for child abuse.
How? What? Where? Why? Who? When??? Fuck!!
Apparently, my step-son had made a formal complaint to Social Services only the day before because I had threatened to "punch him up the side of the head" because he was disturbing the house and the neighbours with his bad behavior and shouting.
It took a lot of explaining what actually happened and I got let off with a suspended "Bound Over" order.
Which reminds me - it lapses at the end of this month.

But it goes to show, sometimes Social Services can do things quickly when they put a mind to it.
And in case you're wondering, step-son is now 19, 6ft3" tall and I'm more than a foot shorter than he is.