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freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Anotther school shooting. (12/15/2013 7:49:08 AM)
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ORIGINAL: EdBowie
You may know people who called the police more than 5 times for domestic abuse, and more than 5 reports may have been taken, but I don't believe for a second that you personally 'know' that every single one of those incidents made it into the final stats, much less that the former head of the HO office on those figures, is making things up.
In just the same way that you do not know for certain that these reports have not made it into the stats.
All you linked to is a criticism from Wiki.
And how many times have we found out at a later date that officials have lied to the press and even the government select committee when they investigated stuff??
The recent Plebgate stuff should tell you that.
I, personally, made at least a dozen reports about my step-son and his violence in the house (2011) which resulted in at least 4 arrests in handcuffs where he spent the night in the cells and received two official police cautions.
And just like anyone else, I did not claim to know that every report made it into the stats.
But, when these stats are compiled, the individual details are not given. Ie, the names of who the victims and perpetrators were are not known to the people compiling those stats so it would be impossible to know that one person made 8 reports or just the one.
When the police file these figures, it's just a spreadsheet of crimes, types, solved/unsolved, and how long it took.
So unless every single police station filing these stats is trimming those figures to only 5 reports per person (and the officer doing this work doesn't know the details either), then what Wiki reported was just pure bunkum.
And, Wiki is not recognised as a reliable source either because college students quoting Wiki in their citations for coursework get marks deducted; they need to quote other sources for the info.
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ORIGINAL: EdBowie
Now it's your turn. Provide a direct link to the post that contains the words you claim I said. Provide a direct link to the UK law requiring proof of age to purchase a belt or a bat.
There is no law requiring proof of age to buy a belt. But there are many shops asking for it.
My son eventually got one in JB Sports in a closing down sale but couldn't buy one from several shoe shops or even Primark.
The same as it is perfectly legal for someone over 18 to purchase tobacco and alcohol.
My 20yo daughter is a full-time carer for the guy 3 doors down from us and she cannot buy his cigs or drink from ASDA or Tesco because they have refused to serve her on the grounds that she looks under 25. Yes, that's right, 25 - not 18 as the law states.
I have written a complaint to both supermarkets and the reply is almost identical: "At Asda we operate ‘Challenge 25’, so if you’re lucky enough to look under the age of 25, one of my colleagues will ask to see proof of age. We accept driving licenses, passports, military ID and ID cards with the ‘pass logo’ sign. As we are a responsible retailer, if a colleague thinks you may be purchasing an age restricted product for someone who is with you, they will ask that everybody produces ID" (from Stephen Florey, ASDA, 3rd Nov 2013).
So I quote them the law as being 18 and not 25 but I get the same basic response.
No, it's not right. But apparently they are legally allowed to do this shit to people because every shopkeeper has the legal right to refuse to serve anyone for any reason whatsoever.
Now, just to confuse matters, my 18yo son can go into those same supermarkets and buy his tobacco and drink, on his own, with no ID and without questions being asked - but he gets quizzed for buying a leather belt????
Yeah - go fucking figure that one out bright spark!!!
If you can find something legal that I can throw at these bastards I'll gladly confront them with it.
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ORIGINAL: EdBowie
Back up your claim that the media only started sensationalizing these shootings 5 years ago (That'll be a bit hard to do given the date of Columbine and the media frenzy, not to mention President Clinton's first 'media summit on the crisis of schoolyard shootings' when he was in office).
Yes, Clinton made that speech.
But, a lot of these reports weren't world-wide news much before the take-off of Social Media sites like FB, Twatter et al.
Yes, the likes of Columbine and such made the international news. But the recent shooting where there was just one boy and two injuries didn't seem to make it newsworthy until recent years.
Newtown would have made it but the GM/Trayvon Martin case probably wouldn't have gotten beyond US news teams.
We have the BBC news on 24/7 and although some made the headlines, there weren't the almost daily reports of shootings across the US a decade ago like there has been over the last 5 years~ish since the global recession.
This is a personal observation from someone that is a news junkie and has it on 24/7.
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ORIGINAL: EdBowie
I'm sure if you hold your breath long enough, the laws of physics and time will contort themselves to match your fantasies.
Me, I'm more interested in real world solutions, based on real world facts, and useful now.
I am quoting much of my response from direct personal experience.
How much more real do you want it?
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