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ORIGINAL: joether

Yes, it'll be a wave already. All blue like the ocean! An your predictions are all silly, Phydeuax.

You could not have predicted the problems of the website in October since the thing was released October 1st. When you know of the problems with the website, so did much of America. But you will be wrong on the numbers being lower than expected. People are not going to violate the law in favor of your petty politics. The 'penalties' some will pay will get dumped into next year's subsidies that others are paying on. No really, that is the truth....

Big government is not the problem. Republicans and more especially the Tea Party is the problem. When it comes time for the vote, what happened with the website and all will be a distant memory that is irrelevant to most Americans. Kind of like how most Americans do not think about Benghazi, since the administration was not really at any fault.

An Americans do embrace 'Big Government' ideas. People accept social security on a daily basis. People work for the Defense Industry that obtains its money directly from the DoD. Many companies supply goods and services that the government uses for various tasks. So many Americans would be against someone trying to eliminate their job or heavily reduce their take-home pay for petty political points among conservatives. And those Representatives and Senators know that if they piss to many people off, they are not getting re-elected regardless of how the other candidate fairs.

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

And nothing you've 'predicted' has turned out to actually happen... perhaps you need to give up the psychic business

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

And nothing you've 'predicted' has turned out to actually happen... perhaps you need to give up the psychic business

Oh?

I predicted the website rollout would be a disaster. It was.
I predicted the problems wouldn't be fixed in a month - they werent.
I predicted millions would lose coverage. They have.
I predicted they would delay the deadlines - and they did - both filing and paying.
I predicted they wouldn't hit their enrollment targets. They didn't.
I predicted the young wouldn't sign up. They haven't.

I also predicted the number of people that would get private insurance by the end of December under obamacare.
Thats enrolled and paid for.

Juries still out on that one. Of course I challenged you to pick a number. You didn't have the balls to.

How many times was it that you've read the ACA act again? I forget.

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

And yet here I am looking around at the real world, where my premiums didn't go up, my coverage didn't go down, my policy wasn't taken away from me, and I'm still using the same doctors.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

And yet here I am looking around at the real world, where my premiums didn't go up, my coverage didn't go down, my policy wasn't taken away from me, and I'm still using the same doctors.

Yes, your own little real world. As if one insurance policy out of hundreds of millions is representative or interesting. What an exagerated sense of importance you have.

But lets address that just for humor's sake.

So far, Obamacare has only had the opportunity to screw with the insurance of people on the individual insurance. You know - the cherry picked best case for obamacare representing oh what..7% of the insurance market?

And if you were from NY, California, Illinois where local dimocrats had already screwed up the local insurance market even more than the feds - you would benefit.

Now of course the odds are that you are either covered in a business (2014) or a union (2015). So you wouldn't be expected to be hosed yet.

The truly amazing thing, is that if I weren't a kool-aid drinking dimocrat I'd be going .. holy shit.. we're going to do this with a market TEN TIMES bigger next year?

I'd be having second and third thoughts. Hell - a lot of them are probably buying vowels from vanna around now.

Ah but dims trolls are marching in lockstep... Onward!

So, in conclusion. You wouldn't hardly be expected to be affected now would you. And its funny - I don't recall a single dim coming on here and saying you know - my premiums have increased. Funny how that works.

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ORIGINAL: joether

Yes, it'll be a wave already. All blue like the ocean! An your predictions are all silly, Phydeuax.

You could not have predicted the problems of the website in October since the thing was released October 1st. When you know of the problems with the website, so did much of America. But you will be wrong on the numbers being lower than expected. People are not going to violate the law in favor of your petty politics. The 'penalties' some will pay will get dumped into next year's subsidies that others are paying on. No really, that is the truth....

Big government is not the problem. Republicans and more especially the Tea Party is the problem. When it comes time for the vote, what happened with the website and all will be a distant memory that is irrelevant to most Americans. Kind of like how most Americans do not think about Benghazi, since the administration was not really at any fault.

An Americans do embrace 'Big Government' ideas. People accept social security on a daily basis. People work for the Defense Industry that obtains its money directly from the DoD. Many companies supply goods and services that the government uses for various tasks. So many Americans would be against someone trying to eliminate their job or heavily reduce their take-home pay for petty political points among conservatives. And those Representatives and Senators know that if they piss to many people off, they are not getting re-elected regardless of how the other candidate fairs.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
The prediction for 2016 is that nutsackers wont be in the whitehouse, they will embarrass themselves like the last two times, and that the Senate will be Dem majority.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
They need to flush it the fuck out period, not just for a few cycles. 

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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny
Just out of curiosity, joether, do you have any capacity, whatsoever, for forming an opinion on your own or does everything you post have to go through your DNC handler first?

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

And yet here I am looking around at the real world, where my premiums didn't go up, my coverage didn't go down, my policy wasn't taken away from me, and I'm still using the same doctors.

Yes, your own little real world. As if one insurance policy out of hundreds of millions is representative or interesting. What an exagerated sense of importance you have.

But lets address that just for humor's sake.

So far, Obamacare has only had the opportunity to screw with the insurance of people on the individual insurance. You know - the cherry picked best case for obamacare representing oh what..7% of the insurance market?

And if you were from NY, California, Illinois where local dimocrats had already screwed up the local insurance market even more than the feds - you would benefit.

Now of course the odds are that you are either covered in a business (2014) or a union (2015). So you wouldn't be expected to be hosed yet.

The truly amazing thing, is that if I weren't a kool-aid drinking dimocrat I'd be going .. holy shit.. we're going to do this with a market TEN TIMES bigger next year?

I'd be having second and third thoughts. Hell - a lot of them are probably buying vowels from vanna around now.

Ah but dims trolls are marching in lockstep... Onward!

So, in conclusion. You wouldn't hardly be expected to be affected now would you. And its funny - I don't recall a single dim coming on here and saying you know - my premiums have increased. Funny how that works.

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ORIGINAL: joether
You just don't like someone that thinks for themselves because it doesn't fit with your limited view on reality.

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ORIGINAL: joether
Yes, it'll be a wave already. All blue like the ocean!

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Am I getting popular enough now that your network of choice (i.e. FOX News) must give you buzz words or sound bites to use towards me?

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

In other words, you still can't back up any of your predictions with verifiable facts, so you substitute lies and insults as a smokescreen.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

In other words, you still can't back up any of your predictions with verifiable facts, so you substitute lies and insults as a smokescreen.

Earth to Bowie:

They're called predictions because they haven't happened yet.
Since they haven't happened yet - its kind of difficult to provide "Verifiable facts" now, isn't it.

Now, for the record.
I never predicted that premiums would increase to 50K.

I did note that others were predicting losses of 80 million when obamacare hit the group insurance markets - but I thought that overstated. My personal prediction was 50 million people - should the law remain as passed.

As for "no verifiable facts" - I'm not going to provide you the links again.
But I provided links to ABC and CBS reports that the adminitration knew that the losses would be 40-80% as well as the the DC newspapers.

I also provided a copy to the July 2010 Federal Register where those EXACT numbers were published more than two years ago.

I provided a link to the "interim final draft rulings" (snicker) that proposed the policies that purposely caused those cancellations and I provided links to the leaked insurance company memos that confirmed what the effects would be.

I'm not going to provide those links again. If you really want to dispute the facts - do a little googling on your own and you will find the facts are as I indicated.

But you have no interest in facts - just presenting the dim point of view.