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Free speech? - 12/19/2013 11:02:26 PM

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What do you think about A&E's decision to shitcan Phil Robertson of "Duck Dynasty" for his (religious) views on homosexuality?
I think they're wrong, he has the right to his own opinion.
It's all about tolerance.
I wonder if Phil were a muslim, would they be so quick to condemn him?

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RE: Free speech? - 12/19/2013 11:17:23 PM

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Is anyone so uninformed about the basics of American citizenship that they truly don't understand that this has nothing to do with the Constitution and freedom of speech?

And that siding with bigotry isn't 'tolerance', it is complicity in intolerance?

Yes, if it was a Muslim actor in a reality show who had signed a contract to not say or do anything in public that would reflect badly on the show to it's advertisers, then I would expect the show to enforce the terms of the contract should that actor go public with their religious announcement e.g. that anyone who followed the Bible was a sinner.

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RE: Free speech? - 12/19/2013 11:29:21 PM

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He expressed beliefs about homosexuality that some people (myself included) find very distasteful and ignorant. He also said things that might be completely true, speaking from his own life experiences, and those were outside the politically correct racial narrative du jour. Because of the nature of his job with an entertainment company, his employer has suspended him in response. What is different really, from Charlie Sheen losing his sitcom job for running his mouth?

I believe free speech only functions properly when it flows right on down the line, so he's free to speak his piece, his employer is free to speak in response, and you, as a potential consumer of his employer's product are free to express your opinion as well. The free speech seems to be working. Let me know if anybody tries to haul him in front of a judge, or off to a re-education camp, and'll I'll get a lot more interested.

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RE: Free speech? - 12/19/2013 11:33:49 PM

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What do you think about A&E's decision to shitcan Phil Robertson of "Duck Dynasty" for his (religious) views on homosexuality?
I think they're wrong, he has the right to his own opinion.

And they have a right to decide who is on their network. This has nothing to do with "free speech."

Inbred Jed chose poorly.

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RE: Free speech? - 12/19/2013 11:34:41 PM

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Last time I saw my best friend in the area was when we went to see the midnight showing of "The Hobbit Part 2." The reason it was the last time I saw him is because he shipped out the next day for Bahrain.

One of the reasons he shipped out was because he believes he believes in the right of every American to say what he/she wants to. Next to me his best friend is a lesbian.

That being said he still gets squicked out if two men on screen kiss. He wouldn't deny your right to be gay but he's a little uncomfortable with it. He's still willing to put his life in harms way to protect that right. That shows more than a little courage.

The real question you ought to be asking isn't about A&E: they are trying to maximize profits; Phil is just stating his opinion. The real question is, "Is his family going to stand behind him?"

Wait! Why did this jackass tell you a story about a Naval Reservist and then switch back to "Duck Dynasty?" It has to do with loyalty. My friend is loyal to The Constitution. The interesting bit will be if the rest of the Duck Dynasty group will remain loyal to a member of the family.

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RE: Free speech? - 12/19/2013 11:37:34 PM

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So far they have: http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/19/showbiz/duck-dynasty-suspension/index.html?eref=rss_mostpopular

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RE: Free speech? - 12/19/2013 11:47:31 PM

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His family is willing to risk fame and fortune to stand by his side. That makes him a very wealthy man.

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RE: Free speech? - 12/19/2013 11:54:46 PM

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Since it's his invention that brought that family their fame and fortune, they aren't risking anything by standing by him. He's their meal ticket.

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RE: Free speech? - 12/20/2013 12:14:32 AM

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Since it's his invention that brought that family their fame and fortune, they aren't risking anything by standing by him. He's their meal ticket.

Not if it gets the show cancelled, I'd imagine.

Which, frankly..... I mean, whatever, he can say what he wants and A&E can do what they want, but really..... what did they think a guy like that was going to say? Their whole shtick is that they're all these comically ridiculous hicks and rednecks from bumfuck, nowhere.

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RE: Free speech? - 12/20/2013 12:19:14 AM

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The duck call and hunting business was a multi-million dollar family enterprise long before the show.

I doubt seriously if that many of their customers are going to boycott.

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Since it's his invention that brought that family their fame and fortune, they aren't risking anything by standing by him. He's their meal ticket.

Not if it gets the show cancelled, I'd imagine.

Which, frankly..... I mean, whatever, he can say what he wants and A&E can do what they want, but really..... what did they think a guy like that was going to say? Their whole shtick is that they're all these comically ridiculous hicks and rednecks from bumfuck, nowhere.

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RE: Free speech? - 12/20/2013 12:26:35 AM

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Not if it gets the show cancelled, I'd imagine.

The show isn't what made them rich.

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RE: Free speech? - 12/20/2013 12:27:27 AM

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"Religious" views are bigoted views.

Imagine God standing proudly at the shoulder of one man hating another, for being the way God made him.

Pretty tough, ain't it. Turns out, these 'religious' beliefs, these 'moral' values, these 'traditions', are actually just really bad manners.

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RE: Free speech? - 12/20/2013 12:28:12 AM

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I think that George Takei has a great perspective:

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Many fans asked for my thoughts on the "Duck Dynasty" controversy. They pressed and pressed, but I refused to quack.

But I can't duck this issue forever. I don't really care feather someone on a reality show said something about gays that didn't fit the bill. He's entitled to his opinion, even if it's for the birds. But the network also is worried about flocking with its base, so if it feels it should drake him over the coals for making his fowl comments, so be it.

So that's migrate opinion.

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RE: Free speech? - 12/20/2013 12:31:25 AM

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Or, bigoted views too often dress up as religious (or patriotic, etc.) doctrine.

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"Religious" views are bigoted views.

Imagine God standing proudly at the shoulder of one man hating another, for being the way God made him.

Pretty tough, ain't it. Turns out, these 'religious' beliefs, these 'moral' values, these 'traditions', are actually just really bad manners.

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RE: Free speech? - 12/20/2013 1:17:41 AM

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quote:

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What do you think about A&E's decision to shitcan Phil Robertson of "Duck Dynasty" for his (religious) views on homosexuality?
I think they're wrong, he has the right to his own opinion.

And they have a right to decide who is on their network. This has nothing to do with "free speech."

Inbred Jed chose poorly.

C'mon Stef, you know you want him!
He's giving you a tingle up the inside of your leg like President Snow gives Chris Mathews isn't he?
He looks like an,..~."animal"~... with that long beard doesn't he?

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RE: Free speech? - 12/20/2013 1:20:40 AM

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Anybody else think it is fucking hilarious that GQ was doing an interview with self-described white trash in the first place?

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RE: Free speech? - 12/20/2013 1:29:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

Is anyone so uninformed about the basics of American citizenship that they truly don't understand that this has nothing to do with the Constitution and freedom of speech?

And that siding with bigotry isn't 'tolerance', it is complicity in intolerance?

Yes, if it was a Muslim actor in a reality show who had signed a contract to not say or do anything in public that would reflect badly on the show to it's advertisers, then I would expect the show to enforce the terms of the contract should that actor go public with their religious announcement e.g. that anyone who followed the Bible was a sinner.

Do you have any other tired old StormFront memes that you want debunked?

"Stormfront?"
That's like a racist, KKK site!
Well, that's it for you, Cowgirl.
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RE: Free speech? - 12/20/2013 1:35:56 AM

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My thoughts are this. If the gay community wants to be accepted and allowed to live their lives (which I absolutely support 100%) they are going to have to allow those who live THEIR lives according to what they believe to do so too. Live and let live. Nothing Phil said should be a surprise, given the views he expresses all the time. A&E has proven to be politically correct cowards by making this move. I will never watch any show on that station again, even if they reverse this decision.

And, while I will fight for the rights of my gay friends forever, the organizations that started this backlash by whining about someone having beliefs different from theirs may kiss my buttocks. I wish everyone who is associated with those organizations would get very vocal about leaving them because they discriminate. If they continue to support these organizations, they are proving that they do not want equality, they want special treatment, and that is not something I support now or ever will.

And this I put on my Facebook.

I honestly do not understand A&E suspending Phil is considered ok, because they are standing up for their beliefs but if a show suspended someone who came out as gay because of their beliefs, that would be wrong. You cannot have it both ways. I have a few gay friends who are also Facebook friends. Feel free to call me out if you feel I am wrong, on here or privately, but I gotta tell ya I am pissed as hell that a network reacted like they did because a man stated his beliefs. He did not say deny rights to anyone, he did not say kill anyone, he stated his beliefs. For what it's worth, I have watched the show a few times, but I am not a huge fan of it.

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RE: Free speech? - 12/20/2013 1:48:35 AM

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Bingo, me too.
Last I checked there's no protected groups in the country, ..that you can't talk about.
We should do that "knockout" game on those evil "politically correct" assholes.

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RE: Free speech? - 12/20/2013 2:01:33 AM

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Because flouncing away in a spew of insults, is such a cogent argument.

The man signed a contract. He knowingly breached the contract. He's not ignorant, he has a Master's degree and built a successful business from scratch, he knows what a contract means. Either he'll show the personal responsibility to accept the terms he agreed to, or he won't.

This was a non-story until you stirred the hate-mongering pot with nonsense spin about 'tolerance' and disinformation about freedom of speech being violated...
While StormFront pioneered those memes, it's entirely up to you as to how much personal responsibility you accept for your words.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

Is anyone so uninformed about the basics of American citizenship that they truly don't understand that this has nothing to do with the Constitution and freedom of speech?

And that siding with bigotry isn't 'tolerance', it is complicity in intolerance?

Yes, if it was a Muslim actor in a reality show who had signed a contract to not say or do anything in public that would reflect badly on the show to it's advertisers, then I would expect the show to enforce the terms of the contract should that actor go public with their religious announcement e.g. that anyone who followed the Bible was a sinner.

Do you have any other tired old StormFront memes that you want debunked?

"Stormfront?"
Well, that's it for you, Cowgirl.
"BLOCK"

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