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ORIGINAL: njlauren It is funny to me that the religious, with their need to have a creator who operates like a kid with an erector set, cast aspersions on Evolution for the holes scientists themselves note and work towards closing, when religious theory and dogma has more holes then a piece of swiss cheese and in explaining things, is as weak as one, too...... What's even funnier are those who rely on science when that science isn't settled. You have Australopithacus (yeah, butchered that name), neanderthals, and sapiens. No matter what DomKen says, those are not gradual transitions, but major ones. There is no skeletal proof of any intermediary between neanderthalis and sapiens. Science believes there is a link, but can not prove it. What is belief without concrete proof? Um, faith? At least those who follow the religious teachings acknowledge that they rely on faith while doing so. now you are just being (or playing I don't know) obtuse, you have been explained connection had been proved not only by fossils but also mapping DNA, in your 3 items list you skipped 7 intrmediate species and just ignored domken post. By the way sapiens doesn't evolves from neanderthalis they are more like dogs and wolves. You don't have to belive in science you have to understand it, and if you personally make no effort in understanding doesn't invalidate it. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/09/science/08cnd-fossil.html?ex=1187236800&en=7850f1c15db850d7&ei=5070&emc=eta1&_r=0quote:
Two fossils found in Kenya have shaken the human family tree, possibly rearranging major branches thought to be in a straight ancestral line to Homo sapiens. Scientists who dated and analyzed the specimens — a 1.44 million-year-old Homo habilis and a 1.55 million-year-old Homo erectus — said their findings challenged the conventional view that these species evolved one after the other. Instead, they apparently lived side by side in eastern Africa for almost half a million years. If this interpretation is correct, the early evolution of the genus Homo is left even more shrouded in mystery than before. It means that both habilis and erectus must have originated from a common ancestor between two million and three million years ago, a time when fossil hunters had drawn a virtual blank. Although the findings do not change the relationship of Homo erectus as a direct ancestor of Homo sapiens, scientists said, the surprisingly diminutive erectus skull implies that this species was not as humanlike as once thought. Other paleontologists and experts in human evolution said the discovery strongly suggested that the early transition from more apelike to more humanlike ancestors was still poorly understood. They also said that this emphasized the need to search more widely for fossils from the critical period at the still unknown dawn of our own genus, Homo. http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-family-tree Homo neanderthalensis. is in the same genus as Homo sapiens. and we sure seem to have a common ancestor. This stuff sure doesn't sound like settled science, does it? The first article mentions challenging a "conventional view." That there is a "conventional" view implies the existence of "non-conventional" views, doesn't it? Herein lies the belief system employed in science. It's not been proven. The Sliding Filament Theory of muscle contraction was the only theory taught when I was in college (seems like eons ago), but it was taught as the most accepted theory and that science didn't know for sure how a muscle contracts. I'm perfectly okay with that, too. Teaching Evolution as settled science is wrong, imo, when it's not settled science. And your argument is what? It shook up the idea that evolution was linear, but guess what, this doesn't mean anything. They used to think Cro Magnon evolved linearly from neanderthal, it didn't, and what also has been shown is that when proto humans might have comes out of Africa in waves...more importantly, parallel evolution of humans actually further proves evolution is right...human beings came out of africa, no one doubts that, and spread, and what this shows is the evolution happened differently in different places....there are branches of human beings that died out, that have no traits in common with modern men, there are ones that overlapped others....the key thing here is evolutionary theory would expect this to happen, because species survive and adapt based on natural selection. The species of humans that died out weren't adapted well, and they died, other species went further..... The other problem with this article is it is from 2007.....in the past 6 years genetics has leapt forward, the entire genome of human beings has been mapped and they know what all of them are, and dna analysis has allowed extracting from early humans, and DNA tells the tale, it is the roadmap of human evolution, as it is for evolution as a hole. the shitkickers who believe the bible is literal truth can claim God works in mysterious ways or that God is playing a joke, but what DNA shows is that human beings, for example, have DNA and RNA in common with planaria...and the only reason for that would be that evolution works from simple to complex, it is direct evidence that Genesis is nothing more than a myth, and also that if there is a creator involved, it isn't tinker toys, erector sets or 'poof' magical creation...
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