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RE: Dominance and Manipulation - 12/25/2013 3:20:44 PM   
missywrite


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Not one of those articles talks about 'manipulation' in consensual role-play.


There is no manipulation in consensual role play. Both partners are getting what they have agreed upon. That's not manipulation. Manipulation means "exerting shrewd or devious influence, especially for one's own advantage."

What you're talking about is entirely different. I'm not sure what it is, but it's not manipulation.

The OP asked what we saw as a connection between the words dominance and manipulation. I answered. What I said was I don't see ANY connection, unless someone is pretending to be dominant and is using that as a means to manipulate. And then I listed some good resources so people could learn and be safer. I stand by my answer 100%.



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RE: Dominance and Manipulation - 12/25/2013 3:43:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: missywrite

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Not one of those articles talks about 'manipulation' in consensual role-play.


There is no manipulation in consensual role play. Both partners are getting what they have agreed upon. That's not manipulation. Manipulation means "exerting shrewd or devious influence, especially for one's own advantage."

What you're talking about is entirely different. I'm not sure what it is, but it's not manipulation.

The OP asked what we saw as a connection between the words dominance and manipulation. I answered. What I said was I don't see ANY connection, unless someone is pretending to be dominant and is using that as a means to manipulate. And then I listed some good resources so people could learn and be safer. I stand by my answer 100%.





Of course there can be manipulation in consentual role play.
If [my] Master hopes I will achieve a particular head-space in a scene He may use certain words or techniques to get me there.

That is manipulation.
Leaders sometimes manipulate to get the best results.

Manipulation isn't always underhanded or deceitful.
It may have that connotation attached to it, but that is not all it is.

And [my] Master excels at manipulating my girly bits as well.



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RE: Dominance and Manipulation - 12/26/2013 7:08:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MissToYouRedux

Regarding the "manipulation" side of dominance, I prefer to think of it as playing a finely tuned instrument.

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I like to think of it as tuning a fine instrument that begs to be played :-)

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RE: Dominance and Manipulation - 12/26/2013 11:54:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

How do you see these two words? Are they connected in anyway? Are they distinctly different to you? Are they more or less the same thing just different shades of the same colour? How do they relate to your life.. Or do they?

Please share any thoughts and feelings on these words.


My thoughts at first were manipulation is abusive and done to get ones desired result in a dishonest or cowardly way...associating manipulative behavior of family recently.

However, my Master is currently manipulating me and my body's reaction to what is being fed through a reading assignment. I am to read stories, one complete story a day, currently reading an 18 chapter story on submission. Catch is that I can not cum. So through His Dominance over me, He is manipulating my behavior for a given purpose. I am on day 1 and let me tell you, I have had thoughts of pulling out that delicious little vibe that He gave me and taking care of the aching that is pulling at me, my bodies needs screaming! But the thought of caving so easily just doesn't sit well when I think of telling Master what happened. He is doing this for a reason and I respect that.....so i sit in wonton suffering ;) Damn Him!....I mean "Thank You Sir"

He manipulates my body when He controls my orgasms, or restrains my body movement, or uses my body or behavior solely for His pleasure, mine is put aside during those times. So yeah, I think they are connected in that sense.

If I were to try to manipulate Him with behavior to get what I want, on purpose, I think I would deserve punishment for that because that would be trying to take control away.

Good question!

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RE: Dominance and Manipulation - 12/26/2013 5:04:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		eehh....I don't see manipulating a Master as all that bad a thing...it's just a normal, human thing to do. For example, I may bat my eyelashes and give him a little puppydog face if I want something or something along the lines of "but if we did it this way, think of all the other things we could do...".

Manipulation? Yeah, I think so. Sometimes I get away with it, sometimes I don't. I even get him to laugh occasionally from it.

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RE: Dominance and Manipulation - 12/26/2013 5:40:02 PM   
NuevaVida


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Status: offline 		I agree with littlewonder - Giggling at him and running my fingers up his leg might be manipulating him to give him a hard on, but nobody here's gonna complain about that.

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