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RE: A&E reverses itself on Phil Robertson and "Duc... - 12/28/2013 5:47:08 PM

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Why are thy in business?
To make money.

My friend I am in business to make money too...but that does not mean I have to sell my soul to make it.

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RE: A&E reverses itself on Phil Robertson and "Duc... - 12/28/2013 6:09:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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Why are thy in business?
To make money.

My friend I am in business to make money too...but that does not mean I have to sell my soul to make it.

Butch

The question should not have been asked if they couldn't deal with the answer.
Is it selling your soul to think some things are wrong if someone else disagrees?
All the man did "wrong" was give an honest answer to a direct question.
Nobody has to agree with him.
Wouldn't the actual selling of a soul have been if he gave a politically correct answer to protect his job?
At no point did A&E said they agreed with him.

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RE: A&E reverses itself on Phil Robertson and "Duc... - 12/28/2013 6:16:10 PM

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The question should not have been asked if they couldn't deal with the answer.

The question was posed by a third party as part of a magazine interview.

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RE: A&E reverses itself on Phil Robertson and "Duc... - 12/28/2013 6:18:22 PM

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that does not mean I have to sell my soul to make it.

I'd say the Robertsons agree.
A&E?
Not so much.

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RE: A&E reverses itself on Phil Robertson and "Duc... - 12/28/2013 6:24:56 PM

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The question should not have been asked if they couldn't deal with the answer.

The question was posed by a third party as part of a magazine interview.

True and I see your point, did A&E expect him to lie?

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RE: A&E reverses itself on Phil Robertson and "Duc... - 12/28/2013 6:26:14 PM

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that does not mean I have to sell my soul to make it.

I'd say the Robertsons agree.
A&E?
Not so much.

Who said A&E had a soul to sell.

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RE: A&E reverses itself on Phil Robertson and "Duc... - 12/28/2013 6:55:11 PM

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That's the rub for A&E.
They hired a Church of Christ Bible-study-leader.
They knew, or should have known, not only what he believed but also his absolute unabashed willingness to express it openly.

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RE: A&E reverses itself on Phil Robertson and "Duc... - 12/28/2013 8:57:19 PM

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The question should not have been asked if they couldn't deal with the answer

The point is not right or wrong in what he said, although personally I think he is a prejudice asshole , but whether A&E has turned this into a circus by changing its stance. My comments are directed at that question.

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RE: A&E reverses itself on Phil Robertson and "Duc... - 12/28/2013 9:31:11 PM

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I'd say they turned it into a circus when they suspended him.
The interview became known.
That small segment of the population that becomes hysterical at proclamations of basic Christian belief regarding homosexual behavior, became hysterical.
A&E suspended Phil.... and that large segment of the population that supports basic Christian doctrine (which is, after all, what? 99% of the shows audience? I mean, it's not like they kill ducks while dancing in pink camo, right?), became hysterical.
A&E reversed themselves.
The "controversy" died- everywhere but here.

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RE: A&E reverses itself on Phil Robertson and "Duc... - 12/28/2013 10:07:09 PM

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I'd say they turned it into a circus when they suspended him.
The interview became known.
That small segment of the population that becomes hysterical at proclamations of basic Christian belief regarding homosexual behavior, became hysterical.
A&E suspended Phil.... and that large segment of the population that supports basic Christian doctrine (which is, after all, what? 99% of the shows audience? I mean, it's not like they kill ducks while dancing in pink camo, right?), became hysterical.
A&E reversed themselves.
The "controversy" died- everywhere but here.

good summation

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RE: A&E reverses itself on Phil Robertson and "Duc... - 12/28/2013 10:40:45 PM

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Its pretty clear that A & E completely played the LGBT Community. They got kudos for their quick action but never had any intention of actually following though.

As clear as mud bruv. It is absurd to think a TV company would take such a risk, but let that fuzzy thought keep you tingly at night.

What risk???

There was never any risk.

A & E had NO intention of firing Phil Robertson or letting a cash cow like Duck Dynasty get away from them and on to another network. A & E simply played the LGBT Community and the mainstream American Press like a drum.

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RE: A&E reverses itself on Phil Robertson and "Duc... - 12/28/2013 10:45:07 PM

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That's the rub for A&E.
They hired a Church of Christ Bible-study-leader.
They knew, or should have known, not only what he believed but also his absolute unabashed willingness to express it openly.

Not only did A & E know who they were employing, it's highly likely they had advanced copies of the GQ article and planned their strategy around it.

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RE: A&E reverses itself on Phil Robertson and "Duc... - 12/29/2013 12:18:11 AM

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There was an A&E representative in the room during the interview.

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RE: A&E reverses itself on Phil Robertson and "Duc... - 12/29/2013 6:00:44 AM

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I think Phil may have just been playing the media like an old fiddle. Step 1 make repugnant remarks. Step 2 wrap self in American flag and pick up giant cross-o-Jesus. Step 3 get millions and millions in free publicity for TV show.
Get Patwiotic amewicans to cling to their guns n god harder, no matter what.
Pathetic

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RE: A&E reverses itself on Phil Robertson and "Duc... - 12/29/2013 7:44:58 AM

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Its pretty clear that A & E conpletely played the LGBT Community. They got koudos for their quick action but never had any intention of actually following though.

I'm not so sure. I would imagine that their actions managed to piss off everyone on all ends of the spectrum.

Pretty clear that they got an uproar initially from the LGBT community, and that the A&E morons acted but never bothered to see what demographic Duck Dynasty's audience was. They've got egg on their face now.

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RE: A&E reverses itself on Phil Robertson and "Duc... - 12/29/2013 7:49:42 AM

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Q&E morons acted but never bothered to see what demographic Duck Dynasty's audience was.

Yup. Total knee-jerk reaction.

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RE: A&E reverses itself on Phil Robertson and "Duc... - 12/29/2013 8:29:32 AM

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get millions and millions in free publicity for TV show.

I think the whole thing was a set up from the start to get more viewers.. why else did they have a duck marathon during the "suspension"????

meh.. the public has been played.. but I will never watch crap "reality" shows like that..

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RE: A&E reverses itself on Phil Robertson and "Duc... - 12/29/2013 10:49:57 AM

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Q&E morons acted but never bothered to see what demographic Duck Dynasty's audience was.

Yup. Total knee-jerk reaction.

I totally disagree.
I cannot believe A & E would not have known the demographics for the the top-rated series on all of cable.
In fact, wouldn't it make sense that they would tout the demographics as the justification for pressing advertisers to fork over a ton of money to be a sponsor of the show?

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RE: A&E reverses itself on Phil Robertson and "Duc... - 12/29/2013 1:19:37 PM

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I cannot believe A & E would not have known the demographics for the the top-rated series on all of cable.

Of course they did.
Which is why I said their reaction was thoughtless, i.e. knee-jerk.

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: A&E reverses itself on Phil Robertson and "Duc... - 12/29/2013 1:42:46 PM

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It might have been a bit less circus like, if GLAAD's characterization of what Robertson said, bore closer resemblance to his actual, in context words.

Here's a page from the GLAAD site with quotes from the GQ article. What was mischaracterized?

Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson uses vile stereotypes to tell GQ his thoughts on LGBT people

December 18, 2013
The Robertsons, the family whose duck hunting products have made them a fortune, are breakout stars featured in A&E’s Duck Dynasty. GQ Magazine’s profile of Phil Robertson included some of the vilest and most extreme statements uttered against LGBT people in a mainstream publication. His quote was littered with outdated stereotypes and blatant misinformation.

“It seems like, to me, a vagina—as a man—would be more desirable than a man’s anus. That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.

And later in the article:

Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” he says. Then he paraphrases Corinthians: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”

The statement is far outside of the mainstream understanding of LGBT people. In Louisiana, which passed a constitutional amendment banning marriage equality, 56% of the population support some sort of legal recognition, marriage or civil unions, for gay and lesbian couples according to Public Policy Polling released in August 2013.

"Phil and his family claim to be Christian, but Phil's lies about an entire community fly in the face of what true Christians believe," said GLAAD spokesperson Wilson Cruz. "He clearly knows nothing about gay people or the majority of Louisianans – and Americans - who support legal recognition for loving and committed gay and lesbian couples. Phil's decision to push vile and extreme stereotypes is a stain on A&E and his sponsors who now need to reexamine their ties to someone with such public disdain for LGBT people and families."

GLAAD reached out to A&E to speak about if the network stands behind Robertson's comments.

Full GQ article: http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson

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