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Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 12/30/2013 10:03:46 AM   
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I've been updating the emergency kits... yes, plural, house two cars and the one that goes camping. While going through tossing oudated bandages and pharmaceuticals I noted that the supply of matches was quite degraded over time. (every try to strike a match and the head fell apart from years of humid storage).

So, here I am in the grocery among the charcoal looking for standard "kitchen matches" and all I see are the "safety matches" that require a red phosphorous strip on the box that never works past ten uses. I asked where the strike anywhere matches were and was told that they are "illegal" in this country now. WTF???

Soooo, I go off on a search for when this happened. It didn't happen. Since 2008, strike anywhere matches are required to be shipped as "dangerous goods" with the appropriate UN code and shipped in a vehicle licensed for hazmat carriage. But, most of the major grocery chains have decided they will not stock strike anywhere matches because the red phosphorous in the heads can be used as an ingredient for meth production. So, since I can find them at the grocery any more, where to get them?

The sporting goods shops will sell them to you under the Coghlan's brand name for about $6 for a box of 20? WTF, a box of matches used to be so cheap they were given away with advertising on them? And, strike anywhere matches are cheaper to produce than safety matches.

I find "standard kitchen matches" on a major online retailer for, dig this, $41.00 for a box of 200. Someone is milking the misconception that standard matches are illegal.

Finally, eBay to the rescue. $1.85 for a box of standard kitchen matches with $3 and change for shipping. (HAZMAT Shipping, ya know) I ended up ordering 10 boxes of standard matches in the pocket size for $3.85 with $5 shipping. Problem solved on the matches.

A final giggle is that the Diamond match company markets their standard matches as "green" and even dyes the phosphorous on the heads green. How are they green? The sticks are made from Minnesota aspen trees, a renewable resource. <giggle>

Anyway, I thought I'd share a bit of modern total silliness that ranks right up there with waterless hand cleaner. (It is flammable, dries the hands, and is only a third as effective as using plain soap and water according to the WHO and CDC)
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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 12/30/2013 3:37:40 PM   
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Merc,

I'd be interested in what you put in your emergency kits. I'm a closet off the grid person. Thanks.

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 12/30/2013 3:44:06 PM   
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Merc,

just an FYI....if you have a foodsaver use it to vacuum pack your matches. That way the humidity will be less of a factor for longer storage capability. 


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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 12/30/2013 7:40:00 PM   
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I need to really get serious and make sure I have a good emergency kit living here in Southern California.....I have water saved and a few other things but need a radio that you crank to hear news and things like that....

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 12/30/2013 8:37:36 PM   
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Merc,

just an FYI....if you have a foodsaver use it to vacuum pack your matches. That way the humidity will be less of a factor for longer storage capability. 



You can also wax coat them, to make them water resistant.

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 12/30/2013 8:39:11 PM   
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Everybody should have one. I've been doing it since I was a teen and took a wilderness survival course in high school. It can be a fun hobby, if you don't go overboard with it, and living out West, there's a lot of road between towns sometimes. First rule of any kit is water or the means to get it. Everything else is candy after that. I'm old school with fire, have a repro 1700's flint and steel. Takes a bit, but it's rewarding when you see that first flame appear.

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 12/30/2013 9:08:58 PM   
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When it comes to emergency situations, fire is probably the number one necessity...or at least is very, very close to the top of the list. Fire provides warmth, cooks your food, boils your water, sterilizes knives and needles for emergency use, and can even provide signal fires. And because of that, "redundancy" is the word of the day when it comes to your ability to start a fire. I don't carry emergency kits in my car unless I'm traveling out of town, or really keep an actual "kit" in my house, but I ALWAYS carry one on the ATV, even though I always ride with at least one other rider, and usually ride with a group. For fire making I carry at least three fire-making alternatives, and usually four. Matches, BIC lighter, magnifying glass, and a magnesium block and striker. And I normally will also have cotton ball/petroleum jelly fire starters, which are light weight, take up almost no room, light very easily, and will burn long enough to dry out slightly damp tender if necessary.

If you are interested in different ideas for emergency kits you can do a search on YouTube for SHTF bug-out kits (Shit Hits The Fan). Some people have put together some pretty nifty kits that are compact enough to fit in an Altoids tin, though most are somewhat larger, depending on what people consider "necessary".

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 12/30/2013 9:50:31 PM   
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I need to really get serious and make sure I have a good emergency kit living here in Southern California.....I have water saved and a few other things but need a radio that you crank to hear news and things like that....


I bought a nice sturdy one last year on Amazon for about $40 that also will charge your cell phone.

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 12/31/2013 3:48:16 AM   
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Lighters

Fuel

I like two kinds of lighter. The Ronson jet flame is one. It has a machined brass jet, so it tends to last awhile. Once you remove the brass limiting washer, you can turn it up and down enough to account for hot fuel / cold fuel, and the cutting out that can cause. $5 will get you one at the corner drugstore. Ebay also sells them.

I also like the 'refillible disposable' concept. Use 'em till they break, then pull another from reserve. Some are better than others. So you buy the best cheap ones you can find, five for $5. Delivered. The ones I have now are just like a bic, except electric ignition and refillable. Also, once I took the Bob Marley covers off, they are clear. Beats installing a fuel gauge.

I buy fuel in a 300 ml (6 ounce) can off ebay. They offer it all the time, as many as you want. But, of course, you have to bid. MORE than the other guy. I hate that. So, I bid less. Repeatedly.

https://www.myibidder.com/

It is a bit repetitive to set up, but I only have to win once. And then the bidder shuts off, unless you tell it to buy more than one of that group. If I bid high enough I will eventually be given a can of butane. If it doesn't look like that's going to happen, I can nudge my bid and see if that is enough. $5 seems to buy 6 ounces. That lasts all year. It's a handy tool, and belongs in your bug out kit. Unless you prefer to pay retail.

A chuchkey is probably the stone tool of our era. Take your typical pound tin can. Open, empty, rinse. Be careful not to step in the applesauce. Put eight or so triangles around the top and bottom. Fill it with dry twigs, broken into pellets. Dip your cotton ball in the petroleum jelly and put on top. Light it. In a minute you should be able to set your kettle on without putting your flame out. If it doesn't boil, you have too much water or not enough can. Change one or both. Remember to smash and bury your used up woodgas stove. Instead of making a nasty little rusty obstacle out of it.

$8 will buy a fitting that allows a 1 pound propane canister to be screwed onto a larger, barbeque size canister of propane, so you can refill it. The can is the third leg of my 1977 Coleman single-burner and refilling makes it kinda practical. For some things. But there are certain precautions. Inspect your bottle before refilling, reject for any reason. Don't try to 'fill it all the way'. It needs at least 20% just for safety. Unless you want liquid propane jumping out the pressure relief valve now and then. Maybe when you are not looking. Like in the car, in the sun, just before the fire. Did I mention it is against the law to transport a refilled 1 pound cylinder? They are not D.O.T. approved. We all know why. And while it doesn't fit in an Altoids tin, a propane stove can be worth the weight sometimes. Like when it starts to rain.

Water can usually be had around here with a two liter pop bottle, a new nylon footie to screen out the chunks and some iodine or bleach. But I hate the taste of bleach in the woods. So my 80s' vintage REI rental pack has a nice new pump-filter. Right next to the ziplockful of coffee filters. And the plastic filter cone.

Noxzema is STILL the very best thing for sunburn. Don't leave civilization without it. And DEET. I don't know what God used to ward off bugs before DEET, but now He uses DEET. On his hankie. On his hat. On his cuffs. Not on his skin, or his glasses. Not being horribly sunburned and chewed to rags tends to make a disaster more enjoyable.

One of the tools I would hang onto, post civilization, is my Parrot-beak Machete. This little giant is noteworthy. The reverse point focuses A LOT of power. The next motion uses the same tip to hook, flip and fling the suddenly dead Gorse a couple dozen feet to where a drift of Gorse is accumulating, almost organized. The toe at the end of the handle makes hanging on simple, you don't have to squeeze. Being able to choke up lends finesse equal to the power at the long end of the handle. You can whittle. Sharpen with a round file. Hone if you like, but not with the kitchen steel... or toward your hand. Holds an edge. Nearly indestructible. A cool tool with one serious problem. If you swing straight down, after you cut whatever you are aiming at, the point will arc down until it finds your shin. There it will make a big hole. So don't.

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 12/31/2013 6:34:46 AM   
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I'd personally go with good old fashioned flint and steel, but there is always the Swedish fire steel. Something I need to ad to my pack.

Right now in my bug out bag/ditch back I keep:
an electric tire jack
an electric air pump
a multi tool
rain poncho
E95 face mask
Led signal flare
blanket
emergency weather radio hand crank and solar
notepad and pen
and a few other odds and ends

What I need to add:
Fire steel
empty water bottle
MRE's
a weapon with the ability to reach out and touch someone.



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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 12/31/2013 6:43:46 AM   
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I don't need an emergency kit in my car, I just make sure the cell is charged.

For the house I have the usual first aid kit, plus camping matches, candles, a big mag flashlight that stays in the same place.

When we go camping I make up a small kit with bandages, first aid cream, etc.

They sell camping matches that last for years for storage.

Noxema is not the best thing for sunburn, aloe is. You can buy an almost pure aloe gel or cream at most drugstores these days.

For anyone who travels in the southwest, water is the single most important thing you need. I once did a 30 miles hike from the mountains down into the dessert in the spring. A wonderful hike I will always remember. In those conditions, you do understand there is nothing as important as water, the rest you can do without for days.

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 12/31/2013 6:47:58 AM   
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I've heard of the trick of soaking matches in melted candle wax to keep them waterproof. (Even ear wax might suffice, if memory serves: two birds killed with one stone.)

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 12/31/2013 7:30:25 AM   
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I've heard of the trick of soaking matches in melted candle wax to keep them waterproof. (Even ear wax might suffice, if memory serves: two birds killed with one stone.)


Okay, that may very well be practical, but it's just plain gross...

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 12/31/2013 8:54:27 AM   
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I'll agree fire is important, and my own training is biased towards an environment where water was considered more important than fire and that sometimes a fire could be a bad thing (desert state in the middle of a drought). My teacher reduced the formula to the lowest common denominator. Survival (at least wilderness survival) is like taking care of a baby: Full, Warm, and Dry. You have those three things, you've got it licked. I stress water because you can go for a couple weeks without food, but three days without water and you're in serious trouble.

But I also agree with having multiple sources of being able to make fire as well, I just don't stress it as much because I know how to do it in multiple ways now. I'm a smoker, so I always have one source right there (and a lit cigarette vastly improves your chances of getting a fire lit with a single match, BTW). Shelter is another thing. You may not realize it, but we're wired to seek out shelter (even if it's just shade) every three hours. Wind, rain, snow, sun, they all take a toll on our bodies. Something as mundane as an umbrella can be a lifesaver on a bad day. Sunny, hot, dry? You got shade, its original purpose. Rainy, windy, snowy? Gives you a wind break that lessens convective cooling.

I don't go overboard with it, I still consider it more of a hobby that anything else. I have a car kit and my everyday backpack I take with me when I go out and about. One does not need to go nuts with it, and I don't recommend just going out and buying a pre-made "bug-out bag". If you want one, there's a ton of suggestions out there, make one that works for you. Someone who works on the tenth floor of an office building in a large city doesn't need the same thing as someone who lives in the sticks and commutes fifty miles on back roads to get to work.

I don't like the term "BOB" (bug-out bag) because what it really means is "instant refugee kit". My stuff is to help me make my way home and do it safely and comfortably. For most folks, a simple car kit that has a blanket or sleeping bag of some sort, water (or means to procure thereof), light, and some form of external warmth is probably enough. Especially in winter. Just a charged cellphone isn't enough if no one can get to you for some time. And 'knocking on someone's door' isn't the smartest idea either. That's my GF's plan, and if it does come to pass, I'll probably be looking for a new one.

The folks who live in Tornado Alley mostly understand this, as do people in earthquake country and places where hurricanes tend to make landfall as well. The rest of us may have to deal with blizzards (my cup of tea), power outages, other 'disasters' that stop the processes we're used to. I prefer to rely on myself to get my rear-end home, where I keep the bulk of my stuff. And, I don't like carrying a load equal or greater than what the Army made me hump when I was a kid. Can't do it anymore.

Notice I didn't touch on weapons? Other than a knife or a pistol (if one either has a permit or doesn't need one), I tend to discourage folks keeping instruments like that in their kits. The reason being, they're stored more than they're used, and if someone breaks into your car or wherever you keep it, you've just given them a firearm and ammunition. Since I carry legally, I don't have any further plans other than a few extra rounds in my gear because it adds weight and is probably not needed. I always get a kick out of the 'hardcores' who boast about having an AR or AK as a 'car gun' in case they have to 'bug-out', remembering just how much a full ammo load weighs and how fast you can shoot it up.

If someone's got to have a weapon to 'reach out and touch someone', I'd suggest a slingshot (for our UK friends, read 'catapult') and some marbles, ball bearings, or lead shot in a decent size. They're light, cheap, and relatively silent, and can put a hurting on someone or something. I don't see 'hunting' as a pressing need in your 'average' emergency, and it's better to move fast and light than to stagger forward with a fifty pound pack while all hell breaks loose around you. And forget those fancy-schmancy 'survival knives' they're constantly pushing. A regular ol' pocket knife will do ya just fine. The only exception to the 'firearm in the survival kit' would be if you lived in Alaska, the Yukon, or deep in the wilderness in the Western states, and most folks who live out there already have that gear already.

For more information on survival kits and other nifty things, I send people to Instructables.com. Cool site, has how-to stuff on tons of different things as well (paracord bullwhips, anyone? There are several articles on making those). Like I said, I consider it a hobby, one that may pay off handsomely someday if needed. There aren't words to describe the way I felt the first time I made fire with just a rock and an old knife blade, or the first arrowhead I chipped out of an old wine bottle bottom (and it was a beautiful green, too!). As long as you don't get carried away with it, it's all good.

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 12/31/2013 9:20:16 AM   
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I need to really get serious and make sure I have a good emergency kit living here in Southern California.....I have water saved and a few other things but need a radio that you crank to hear news and things like that....


We have this one: http://www.amazon.com/NFR160WXR-Microlink-Self-Powered-Weather-Flashlight/dp/B001QTXKC4/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1388509788&sr=8-12&keywords=crank+radio+american+red+cross

And for fire we have: http://www.reveresupply.com/2013_ust_site/Root/2_blastmatch.html

We have food storage, water, radio, lanterns, a T-Pod, emergency blankets, real soap, solar shower, fire starters, camp stove, gas and wood BBQ, first aid kit, dog food, and pet first aid.

When we had the big black out a few years ago, we had nothing. It drove home that we live in an area prone to wildfires and earthquakes and that we needed to prepare.

Master lived in bay area during the World Series Quake. The area that he lived in was pretty much inaccessible for three weeks. (His driveway split and he couldn't even drive his car out) The National Guard drove around and gave out bottled water. While the common advice is have 3 days, we have three weeks based on that experience.



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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 12/31/2013 9:32:50 AM   
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My downstairs neighbor has a wood stove, gas stove and hot water heater. I have none of that but am welcome to use his. Our water is not on an electric pump.

When we lost power for a week due to Hurricane Wilma (the same hurricane season as Katrina), the worst part was the day or so we did not have water. On the plus side, when I went down to the pool to fetch water for flushing, I met a hot chick with whom I have remained friends :)

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 12/31/2013 9:33:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: playfulotter

I need to really get serious and make sure I have a good emergency kit living here in Southern California.....I have water saved and a few other things but need a radio that you crank to hear news and things like that....


I bought a nice sturdy one last year on Amazon for about $40 that also will charge your cell phone.


Link me?

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 12/31/2013 3:54:43 PM   
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The US Govt has nothing better to do than turn matches into hazmat material. DUMB.

Smokers always had a lighter or matches. One of your best tools if lost or in trouble. These days almost no one carries matches or a lighter.

In So Cal you really don't need anything. And if you get serious about it, like the Mormans, our govt now considers you a possible terrorist. Our dumb govt again.

I keep matches in a old medicine container with a piece of sandpaper to strike them on.




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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 12/31/2013 5:40:58 PM   
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I'll agree fire is important, and my own training is biased towards an environment where water was considered more important than fire and that sometimes a fire could be a bad thing (desert state in the middle of a drought). My teacher reduced the formula to the lowest common denominator. Survival (at least wilderness survival) is like taking care of a baby: Full, Warm, and Dry. You have those three things, you've got it licked. I stress water because you can go for a couple weeks without food, but three days without water and you're in serious trouble.

But I also agree with having multiple sources of being able to make fire as well, I just don't stress it as much because I know how to do it in multiple ways now. I'm a smoker, so I always have one source right there (and a lit cigarette vastly improves your chances of getting a fire lit with a single match, BTW). Shelter is another thing. You may not realize it, but we're wired to seek out shelter (even if it's just shade) every three hours. Wind, rain, snow, sun, they all take a toll on our bodies. Something as mundane as an umbrella can be a lifesaver on a bad day. Sunny, hot, dry? You got shade, its original purpose. Rainy, windy, snowy? Gives you a wind break that lessens convective cooling.

I don't go overboard with it, I still consider it more of a hobby that anything else. I have a car kit and my everyday backpack I take with me when I go out and about. One does not need to go nuts with it, and I don't recommend just going out and buying a pre-made "bug-out bag". If you want one, there's a ton of suggestions out there, make one that works for you. Someone who works on the tenth floor of an office building in a large city doesn't need the same thing as someone who lives in the sticks and commutes fifty miles on back roads to get to work.

I don't like the term "BOB" (bug-out bag) because what it really means is "instant refugee kit". My stuff is to help me make my way home and do it safely and comfortably. For most folks, a simple car kit that has a blanket or sleeping bag of some sort, water (or means to procure thereof), light, and some form of external warmth is probably enough. Especially in winter. Just a charged cellphone isn't enough if no one can get to you for some time. And 'knocking on someone's door' isn't the smartest idea either. That's my GF's plan, and if it does come to pass, I'll probably be looking for a new one.

The folks who live in Tornado Alley mostly understand this, as do people in earthquake country and places where hurricanes tend to make landfall as well. The rest of us may have to deal with blizzards (my cup of tea), power outages, other 'disasters' that stop the processes we're used to. I prefer to rely on myself to get my rear-end home, where I keep the bulk of my stuff. And, I don't like carrying a load equal or greater than what the Army made me hump when I was a kid. Can't do it anymore.

Notice I didn't touch on weapons? Other than a knife or a pistol (if one either has a permit or doesn't need one), I tend to discourage folks keeping instruments like that in their kits. The reason being, they're stored more than they're used, and if someone breaks into your car or wherever you keep it, you've just given them a firearm and ammunition. Since I carry legally, I don't have any further plans other than a few extra rounds in my gear because it adds weight and is probably not needed. I always get a kick out of the 'hardcores' who boast about having an AR or AK as a 'car gun' in case they have to 'bug-out', remembering just how much a full ammo load weighs and how fast you can shoot it up.

If someone's got to have a weapon to 'reach out and touch someone', I'd suggest a slingshot (for our UK friends, read 'catapult') and some marbles, ball bearings, or lead shot in a decent size. They're light, cheap, and relatively silent, and can put a hurting on someone or something. I don't see 'hunting' as a pressing need in your 'average' emergency, and it's better to move fast and light than to stagger forward with a fifty pound pack while all hell breaks loose around you. And forget those fancy-schmancy 'survival knives' they're constantly pushing. A regular ol' pocket knife will do ya just fine. The only exception to the 'firearm in the survival kit' would be if you lived in Alaska, the Yukon, or deep in the wilderness in the Western states, and most folks who live out there already have that gear already.

For more information on survival kits and other nifty things, I send people to Instructables.com. Cool site, has how-to stuff on tons of different things as well (paracord bullwhips, anyone? There are several articles on making those). Like I said, I consider it a hobby, one that may pay off handsomely someday if needed. There aren't words to describe the way I felt the first time I made fire with just a rock and an old knife blade, or the first arrowhead I chipped out of an old wine bottle bottom (and it was a beautiful green, too!). As long as you don't get carried away with it, it's all good.


Fire or water...water or fire...kind of depends on the individual circumstance. If you are stuck in the mountains of Idaho, water won't do you any good if you die of hypothermia. But I know exactly what you are saying. Water is definitely essential for any long term survival, so you have to either have it, or be able to find it. And if you have to find it, you have to be able to make it drinkable.

As far as what is needed in an emergency kit, it all depends on where you think you will be needing it, and for how long you expect to need it for. The needs are very different between wilderness survival if you are lost, injured, or broke down, and suburban survival in case of a natural disaster.

As I kind of mentioned in my first post, my emergency preparations are more geared toward survival in the mountains and deserts of Idaho and eastern Oregon in case my ATV should break down on a long ride (about half of our rides are 60 miles or more), so I'm always looking at different equipment and methods suitable to those circumstances "just in case".



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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 12/31/2013 10:19:32 PM   
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I need to really get serious and make sure I have a good emergency kit living here in Southern California.....I have water saved and a few other things but need a radio that you crank to hear news and things like that....


I bought a nice sturdy one last year on Amazon for about $40 that also will charge your cell phone.


Link me?


Here you go: $35, adding the AC adapter is $10 more.

http://amzn.com/B0071BTJPI


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