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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 1/1/2014 1:40:41 PM   
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In So Cal you really don't need anything.


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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 1/1/2014 7:05:36 PM   
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I need to really get serious and make sure I have a good emergency kit living here in Southern California.....I have water saved and a few other things but need a radio that you crank to hear news and things like that....


I bought a nice sturdy one last year on Amazon for about $40 that also will charge your cell phone.


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Here you go: $35, adding the AC adapter is $10 more.

http://amzn.com/B0071BTJPI


That's pretty neat.

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 1/1/2014 9:40:23 PM   
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We bought car emergency kits for all the kids after my daughter called telling me she and a girlfriend had to change a tire on a dark road with no shoulders by the barely backlit screens of their cell phones. It contained jumper cables, a triangle and a flashlight among other stuff.

Myself, I like to add a can of Fix a Flat. The garages hate it when you come in after using it because it's tough to find the hole but it allows me to drive there without calling for help. My arthritis prevents me from changing a tire.

The house has extra gallons of water and we fill the tub for flushing. Beyond that, we can draw water off both the water tank and the hot water heater if needed.

I have emergency, long burning candles and a woodstove. Plus a gas grill on the porch with a burner to boil water. Making coffee in a cast iron skillet on top of the wood stove that winds up tasting like steak is nasty. Oh and The Man has a camping lantern. Kerosene I think, that burns very strong, even light enough to read by.

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 1/2/2014 1:22:43 AM   
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Fire or water...water or fire...kind of depends on the individual circumstance. If you are stuck in the mountains of Idaho, water won't do you any good if you die of hypothermia. But I know exactly what you are saying. Water is definitely essential for any long term survival, so you have to either have it, or be able to find it. And if you have to find it, you have to be able to make it drinkable.

As far as what is needed in an emergency kit, it all depends on where you think you will be needing it, and for how long you expect to need it for. The needs are very different between wilderness survival if you are lost, injured, or broke down, and suburban survival in case of a natural disaster.

As I kind of mentioned in my first post, my emergency preparations are more geared toward survival in the mountains and deserts of Idaho and eastern Oregon in case my ATV should break down on a long ride (about half of our rides are 60 miles or more), so I'm always looking at different equipment and methods suitable to those circumstances "just in case".




Point taken. I cut my teeth on wilderness survival in the Wasatch Mountains and West Desert of Utah, so I can appreciate where you're coming from there. We were cautioned on fire because of the wildfire risk more than anything, which is why I put it down at #2 or #3, but it's still important. And you raise another point about those ready made "bug-out bags" that are sold. There is no one-size-fits-all solution. Sure, they'll give you the basics like a knife, a flashlight, and a means to make fire, but like everything else in life, people will have different needs to meet.

You do your thing in the boonies, so your kit is tailored for the situations you may reasonable expect to find there. My kit is tailored for a mixed urban and rural situation, usually revolving around winter weather, so my kit is far different. Most of what I consider important would be dead weight for you and vice-versa. For example, how much use does a lockpick set have in the mountains? Or a prybar (yeah, my kit could reasonably be considered 'burglar's tools, but I digress)? The point is, we've both had experiences that shaped what we decided to carry with us to deal with stuff we've either already had issues with or foresaw might have issues with.

Where you might get stuck overnight in God's country, I might have to scurry about through a darkened urban wasteland or the surrounding rural areas here, which aren't as lonely as they are out West. I've foreseen the need that I might have to get into a shed or a trailer, for shelter if nothing else, therefore, I have a lockpick set and prybar to deal with that. (by the way, I'm not condoning breaking and entering for anything less than a life or death emergency or for when you have to get out of the elements). I don't know exactly what's in your kit, but it probably fits nicely in the environment you move through.




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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 1/2/2014 5:07:23 PM   
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I travel a lot so I have more of a kit than most. A blowout during a snowstorm while crossing the continental divide is a bit of a concern... went through a collision with an antelope during a snowstorm back in '83 coming down out of the pass into Ogden, UT.

Survival priorities are shelter, water, food. Shelter includes staying warm.

Car kit:
Matches
Mini fuel stove (actually made from a soda can)
Pint metal cup for heating water
Fuel (military issue pint fuel can, aluminum can with tight o-ring lid, cheap surplus item)
Collapsible shovel
Collapsible hatchet
Fire starter kit (magnesium, minsch metal bar, tinder, flint & steel, kindling)
Dry soup packets
Tinned crackers
instant coffee & creamer
two pints of bottled water
mylar emergency blankets
granola bars
water sterilization tablets
cable saw
AA batteries
AA battery cellphone charger

All this fits in a compression bag next to the jack except the water which is under the seat. In winter, the folding shovel gets the most use helping people out that get their vehicles stuck.

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 1/2/2014 5:22:20 PM   
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I've been on that road (my old reserve unit was in Ogden), and I agree with heat being a must, especially in winter out there. But I've seen a number of kits that seem to take water for granted, so I have everything from an old saucepan with a pour spout for melting snow to a precut solar still, and I learned how to take a piece of string to get water from a rock trickle into a canteen. I also have in addition to my old timey flint & steel kit, a mag block, hurricane matches, and one of those 'eternal matches'. I don't worry too much about food save a couple energy bars and a baggie with boullion cubes and some condiment packets. I'm good at scrounging and I've been teaching myself foraging locally (no, not risking 'shrooms yet-there's a workshop in spring with a local group).

For emergency heat, I use this old trick I learned from one of my dad's buddies who ice-fished: take a (clean)quart paint can, a roll of cheap toilet paper, and a bottle of rubbing alcohol. Take the cardboard tube out, stuff the roll in, drown it in alcohol, light. It'll burn nice and clean with no carbon monoxide. To extinguish, slap the lid on, it'll vacuum-seal itself as it depletes the oxygen inside, and when the paper starts to singe, add more alcohol or replace the paper.

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 1/2/2014 5:40:50 PM   
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For $7.00 you can get a knife, fire starter, paracord and dual sheath. That is survival kit worthy.

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ETA: Awesome stormproof matches video link

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 1/2/2014 5:53:58 PM   
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Thanks for that tip with the paintcan Caneman. We go out bush here fairly regularly and that will come in very useful

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 1/2/2014 6:11:53 PM   
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I don't know exactly what's in your kit, but it probably fits nicely in the environment you move through.


In the UK you'd probably dump about 90% of that kit in favour of waterproof clothing. Just saying.

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 1/2/2014 6:36:25 PM   
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The bit with the paint can reminds me of an old boy scout trick making a hobo stove. I suppose it would work in a paint can.

Back in the day where you had a metal resealable lid on a coffee can, that is what was used.

Roll up corrugated cardboard and stuff into the can.
Melt parrafin (find it next to the canning supplies, used to seal the top of jellies) and pour into the cardboard until it is fully saturated.

You light it and you have a hot burning candle flame big enough for a decent cook put.

When done, put the metal lid on it to smother the flame and let cool. You have a solid that doesn't leak in the backpack.

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 1/2/2014 6:50:21 PM   
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I keep my fire making supplies in my bug out gear in an army surplus radio battery box, plastic, water tight with no chance of matches ruining.

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 1/2/2014 7:25:39 PM   
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I don't know exactly what's in your kit, but it probably fits nicely in the environment you move through.


In the UK you'd probably dump about 90% of that kit in favour of waterproof clothing. Just saying.


That's all part of being prepared for the environment where you expect to need an emergency kit. During "wet" months I take a regular rain suit along with the following: For summer months and those unexpected thunder showers I have an 8X10 tarp for an emergency shelter, a telescoping umbrella that fits into my bag, space blankets, and usually several large trash bags that take up little room but can have multiple uses, including emergency rain ponchos.

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 1/2/2014 8:21:23 PM   
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Umbrellas are a little-used resource I've noticed. My wilderness survival instructor carried one with him. You can use it as a walking aid, shade, and it provides a windbreak if you have to make a fire. I have one of those collapsible ones in my car for such a need. And of course, it keeps rain and snow off you.

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 1/3/2014 4:48:31 AM   
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I gave up with umbrellas when I discovered that they weren't effective in weather that was windy as well as wet.

Have you seen those emergency tents? About eight feet long, made of orange pvc. They look really useful.

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 1/3/2014 12:34:43 PM   
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i keep meaning to save our dryer lint, and dip it in was and make camp fire kindling out of it, but since we never go camping it'd just be one more thing i would hoard. and needlessly.

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 1/3/2014 1:41:25 PM   
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I gave up with umbrellas when I discovered that they weren't effective in weather that was windy as well as wet.

Have you seen those emergency tents? About eight feet long, made of orange pvc. They look really useful.


Takes a bit of doing in the wind, but it can be done. Those tents are good for one or two usages, tops. For the money, get a bivvy bag for your sleeping bag. They last longer and are more useful.



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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 1/3/2014 4:00:11 PM   
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Y'all missed the most important thing.

Fire and water are indeed important. The situations that cause these needs to become important also te3nd to leave lots of puddles. Puddles are where mosquitoes breed. That is the most dangerous animal on the planet.

Skin-So-Soft by Avon is the most effective mosquito repellant known to mankind. You'll end up smelling like a French whorehouse but you won't have any mosquito bites.

I learned this from a woman who was essentially my second mom. She went out into the swamp with a couple of engineers (both men) to do some surveying. By the end of the day those men learned to use the frilly skin lotion rather than Deep-Woods Off.

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 1/3/2014 6:08:28 PM   
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Learned that one years ago. I don't know if they still do now, but they did market it directly at the outdoors market. I still have a couple of cans of it.

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RE: Emergency Kits and Strike Anywhere Matchs... - 1/3/2014 8:03:39 PM   
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I need to really get serious and make sure I have a good emergency kit living here in Southern California.....I have water saved and a few other things but need a radio that you crank to hear news and things like that....


I bought a nice sturdy one last year on Amazon for about $40 that also will charge your cell phone.


Link me?


Here you go: $35, adding the AC adapter is $10 more.

http://amzn.com/B0071BTJPI


I bought, thanks!

Got some chocolate while I was at it, cuz what's an emergency kit w/o chocolate?!?

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