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freedomdwarf1 -> RE: 20 yr olds Medical bill...viral of the day (1/5/2014 3:57:04 PM)
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
But, what no one can show, is that costs will drop from where they are today. We are spending upwards of 17% for medical care. I would much rather that number be a lot lower. There are only a handful of ways to effect that, really.
Does anyone really think that nationalizing the US health care system will result in a 30-50% reduction in current costs? If so, please show the data you are relying on for that (you will have to show proof that nationalizing care results in a reduction in spending, and not just a reduction in the rate of medical care cost inflation).
I and many others have demonstrated that the costs WILL go down for a number of reasons.
You are refusing to accept those reasons.
What reasons? What proof? Where has this happened? Show me. I've asked this for how many months now? Why hasn't anyone showed it yet?
What PROOF do you want desi???
We've shown you umpteen examples of how it happens and where all those $$'s are going that bump up your private insurance premiums.
Why can't you accept that??
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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Quite simply, the government, in a single-payer system dictates to big pharma and equipment suppliers what price they are going to pay *IF* they want big business.
That's how it works.
I have already given you a direct example of this with my local NHS hospital and a private one.
Same scanner cost the NHS less than half what the private hospital could buy it for.
The NHS hospital can provide the service with it but the private hospital cannot (because they couldn't afford it).
In the US, all those inflated costs, with all the profits and shareholder dividends, get passed onto the end-user. Ergo, stupidly high prices.
That doesn't happen with a single-payer system. Period.
That is where the savings come from.
Big pharma don't demand $140 for a box of pills. If they want 100+ million outlets for their product, they get $10 a box; take it or leave it.
We have all explained this to you desi but you aren't accepting it.
ETA: Re-read my posts at #38 and #40.
What happens if Big Pharma says, "no, that's not how it's going to happen?"
They they don't get the big business.
You have to use your imagination that private healthcare virtually disappears and gets replaced with a single-payer system. This is what you are not seeing.
If big pharma say no, they go bust because they sell so very little compared to selling into a mass-market like a single-payer system.
Do you think they can afford to do that??
No, they can't!!
And that's why single-payer systems around the world pay peanuts for the same stuff you lot in the US pay a fortune for.
They get away with the stupidly high prices because nobody but the poor end-users have to pay for it. All those profits, all down the line, are clawed back by those companies and distributors until the last one in the chain, Joe Schmuck public, pays the ultimate price.
Can you not see this??
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I have mentioned, at least once [8|], that government proves over and over again that it isn't going to reduce reimbursement rates (the "Doc Fix" Bills). So, what makes you think that there will be massive cost controls that are going to lower costs?
Where have costs gone down because of the institution of a national system?
You keep saying the same things you always say, but, you aren't answering the question.
Yes we are - and providing the proof of it.
You just aren't seeing the logic.
And the reason you can't see it is because your whole system is based on greedy profiteering insurance companies and the whole goddamned pricing structure.
Even Obummercare is based on this shaky and expensive foundation and that's why it'll cost the US a pretty fortune to implement - because, as always, it's a half-hearted work-around.
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