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RE: First newborn of the year - 1/4/2014 9:16:58 AM   
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Not that it will matter to the deliberately obtuse but let's state this clearly.

In your local media reports, was the first baby of the year born to parents who are married?



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RE: First newborn of the year - 1/4/2014 9:20:35 AM   
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Hey, Lucy. Nice of you to happily join the efforts to make the whole subject vanish. Care to offer an opinion about why libbies are so terrified of admitting illegitimacy is becoming the new normal?

Or do libbies just love poverty stricken, badly educated, emotionally, physically, and sexually abused children so much, they think it's great that we are bringing more into the world?


It appears that the efforts of those who push gun control have made the "Shotgun Marriage" a thing of the past.

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RE: First newborn of the year - 1/4/2014 9:44:32 AM   
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Hey, Lucy. Nice of you to happily join the efforts to make the whole subject vanish. Care to offer an opinion about why libbies are so terrified of admitting illegitimacy is becoming the new normal?

Or do libbies just love poverty stricken, badly educated, emotionally, physically, and sexually abused children so much, they think it's great that we are bringing more into the world?





Oh I dont know, I dont happen think that libbies are tired of anything but idiot bullshit assertions and screams of outrage over single women having children as the new normal, it was the new normal nearly 30 years ago. You didnt have a subject worth discussing, its bloody stupid. and just as "reliable" an assertion as your ...LMAO effort at trolling with the marijuana "deaths"



when you got a vicious circle, its better not to go around it in ever decreasing circles, unless you want to make friends with your own colon.
So sad your posting attempts are becoming as irrelevant and pointless as the worst of them.
Only illegitimate kids are poverty stricken, badly educated, emotionally, physically, and sexually abused children??
reallly??

that begs a question...but I wont ask it....
cos 60 years ago, things were so much easier for dumb old white conservatives dudes...they could ignore skeery shit like that.
Look to their sky friends and pretend it doesnt happen to anyone "decent"






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RE: First newborn of the year - 1/4/2014 10:06:01 AM   
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And putting pandas in your post only proves that libbies would rather talk about anything but the reality of this condition.

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RE: First newborn of the year - 1/4/2014 10:12:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		there is no reality to your condition, and the pandas were for the deaths of people ODing on marijuana...joke post...
When you have some legitamacy built back up I may discuss it with you, until then, you just keep spouting what libbies know, think and believe, and what Im putting pictures in posts for, because its all just noise dear.
Maybe if you get some mojo back, people will take YOU seriously enough to start having... intelligent topics and conversations with you.
Have a great year.


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RE: First newborn of the year - 1/4/2014 10:30:08 AM   
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Hey, Lucy. Nice of you to happily join the efforts to make the whole subject vanish. Care to offer an opinion about why libbies are so terrified of admitting illegitimacy is becoming the new normal?

Or do libbies just love poverty stricken, badly educated, emotionally, physically, and sexually abused children so much, they think it's great that we are bringing more into the world?



I genuinely did think that your OP was vaguely asking 'So, what was in your newspaper on 1st Jan?' or something similar - though, on reflection, that would make your thread more suiting to the Off Topic forum.

There's only one newspaper in the UK I can think of that would deem it important a) to report on the first baby born in 2014 and b) whose readership would care about whether or not its parents were married. I am of course referring to the Daily Mail, which I don't read. As is the case no doubt in the USA, TH: here, righties and lefties care about different things, and their respectively preferred newspapers tend to reflect that. Very few lefties I know would give a toss about whether or not a given baby's folks were married - it just wouldn't matter.

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RE: First newborn of the year - 1/4/2014 10:38:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lucy, the only way someone doesn't know the childhood poverty stats for single parent vs. two parent is if they don't want to. What makes it funny of course is that the people most likely to not want to know, are the same ones whining about the need for poverty maintenance programs.




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RE: First newborn of the year - 1/4/2014 11:01:09 AM   
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There's only one newspaper in the UK I can think of that would deem it important a) to report on the first baby born in 2014 and b) whose readership would care about whether or not its parents were married. I am of course referring to the Daily Mail, which I don't read.



Hmm. Interesting. There is a cultural difference I wasn't aware of. The first newborn is a traditional story for local media across the US. It probably started as something to fill space on a slow news day, but we get that report every year.

It may not come up to the NYT bar, but here in the States, you see, we have these things called local newspapers, and they report on things that happen in the local community. The first arrival of the year is as sure to get in as someone turning 100 years old. They do a pretty good job with the city councils and school boards, and some coverage of youth sports and community events.

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RE: First newborn of the year - 1/4/2014 11:10:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		and stats tell the whole story.... oh thats right, they dont...
your ignorance is not my issue

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RE: First newborn of the year - 1/4/2014 11:15:43 AM   
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There's only one newspaper in the UK I can think of that would deem it important a) to report on the first baby born in 2014 and b) whose readership would care about whether or not its parents were married. I am of course referring to the Daily Mail, which I don't read.



Hmm. Interesting. There is a cultural difference I wasn't aware of. The first newborn is a traditional story for local media across the US. It probably started as something to fill space on a slow news day, but we get that report every year.

It may not come up to the NYT bar, but here in the States, you see, we have these things called local newspapers, and they report on things that happen in the local community. The first arrival of the year is as sure to get in as someone turning 100 years old. They do a pretty good job with the city councils and school boards, and some coverage of youth sports and community events.


I don't know anyone who takes a local newspaper and I don't, myself. It wouldn't surprise me that in a much smaller country, holding communities that are much less spread out geographically, local papers were in general less important to people.

I think there might also be a difference re the issue of marriage, TH. I have feeling that's a lot less of an issue here. I myself have no strong feelings about it one way or the other. I've done some googling on the relationship between marriage and well-being of children in the UK and, no surprise, it *did* get highlighted by the Daily Mail some while back. The children of married parents seemed to do better, overall. But the researchers couldn't point to any clear causal connection. Other causal connections could be suggested: married parents here also tend to be better educated and wealthier, for instance.

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RE: First newborn of the year - 1/4/2014 11:22:49 AM   
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and stats tell the whole story.... oh thats right, they dont...
your ignorance is not my issue



Right. Find all the weasel holes, and call that the real story. "If the two parents fight a lot." "If the single parent is independently wealthy."

Your desire for ignorance is EXACTLY the issue I'm raising.

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RE: First newborn of the year - 1/4/2014 11:27:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		no you arent, I'm more than au fait with poverty and the magnitude of causes and shit that dont work.
Im more than aware that single parents are liable to be in poverty, if it wasnt for their mothers(and single fathers) their kids would be in a whole worse state
You can adopt out a preemie, or throw money at it to make it go away...but that typical male response doesnt fix shit

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RE: First newborn of the year - 1/4/2014 4:51:54 PM   
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This "libbie" is indeed a bit wary of condemning the rise in single motherhood. It's not that I fail to recognize the social costs that can attend this "new normal," but that there's a hair-thin and often-crossed line between deploring the phenomenon and slamming those involved--babies as well as mothers. How many generations of kids, after all, grew up being told they were "bastards" or "illegitimate" and being treated as inferior to other children.

Recently, Pope Francis made headlines by phoning a single mom who'd declined to abort her child at the urging of its married father. The pope offered to baptize the baby personally. It may seem startling--to me, at least--that any Christian minister would refuse to baptize any child of God, but the pope says it happens.

"In our ecclesiastical region," Francis said, "there are priests who don't baptise the children of single mothers because they weren't conceived in the sanctity of marriage. These are today's hypocrites. Those who clericalise the church. Those who separate the people of God from salvation. And this poor girl who, rather than returning the child to sender, had the courage to carry it into the world, must wander from parish to parish so that it's baptised!"

And here we come to what I see as the rub: How do we move from lamenting what we may see as a social ill and begin treating it? Shame and stigmatization, the weapons of the past, may have "worked" but at terrible costs for those on the receiving end. Is there a better approach that's eluded us thus far?

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RE: First newborn of the year - 1/4/2014 5:50:34 PM   
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RE: First newborn of the year - 1/4/2014 6:19:19 PM   
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RE: First newborn of the year - 1/5/2014 8:16:29 AM   
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Not that it will matter to the deliberately obtuse but let's state this clearly.

In your local media reports, was the first baby of the year born to parents who are married?




Our local paper didn't seem to think it was worth mentioning. Front page on both the free press and news (basically the same paper) was MSU and the Rose Bowl. I did read about the twins Lucy mentioned but that was online and I don't remember the site. I think it's cool that they each get their own special day.

Edited to add: ours usually does but it's been 23 years since MSU went and it is football after all. I haven't checked the Observer yet but will when I go for coffee.


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