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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/26/2014 7:08:41 PM   
jlf1961


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Status: offline 		Israel is torturing children, okay, I understand it is terrible.

How bout the millions of children working in sweat shops, scraping electronic parts in india by burning the PCB's to get the metal?

Dont they count?

Or is it because Israel is not part of those problems?

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/26/2014 11:42:59 PM   
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First off your stories are often long and boring. Secondly we always see negative headers on your threads against Israel.
So it's obvious you are taking sides. The fact you are saying now both sides are equally bad is a lie. You don't even believe it yourself.
PS I checked your OP nothing bad about Palistinians... Where is your claim to be found exactly?

I am confident that Tweak can defend herself without my help but I couldn't resist responding to the points made above. Nobody has the obligation to be entertaining here. If you want entertainment go to a movie, turn on the telly, masturbate. Don't expect us to amuse you.

Secondly, so what if she were taking sides? This isn't Faux News. We are under no imperative to be fair and balanced. FFS.

That was very entertaining. So what if she's taking sides. What IF? The sheer amusement is overwhelming.
Are you talking to the hand?
Thanks Vinnie for the lovely input.

Oh and PS of course you don't have to be fair nor balanced, I was not expecting any of you to be so. The total imbalance in some of you speaks volumes on your perspective of reality.
And your sanity probably...

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/27/2014 2:02:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Israel is torturing children, okay, I understand it is terrible.

How bout the millions of children working in sweat shops, scraping electronic parts in india by burning the PCB's to get the metal?

Dont they count?

Or is it because Israel is not part of those problems?


Different topic altogether caused by poverty.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/27/2014 4:16:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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First off your stories are often long and boring. Secondly we always see negative headers on your threads against Israel.
So it's obvious you are taking sides. The fact you are saying now both sides are equally bad is a lie. You don't even believe it yourself.
PS I checked your OP nothing bad about Palistinians... Where is your claim to be found exactly?

I am confident that Tweak can defend herself without my help but I couldn't resist responding to the points made above. Nobody has the obligation to be entertaining here. If you want entertainment go to a movie, turn on the telly, masturbate. Don't expect us to amuse you.

Secondly, so what if she were taking sides? This isn't Faux News. We are under no imperative to be fair and balanced. FFS.


Funny you would use Fox as an example because they do try to claim to be fair and balanced and I think most who have followed them know that's bullshit. Kinda like this case where the past posting history tells us one thing and the poster tells us another.

You would have an acceptable point if there were a 'fair and balanced' to report. However, Israel has always had a huge asymmetry of power over the Palestinians and has used that power to widen settlements and occupy or intrude into Palestinian villages. Any talk of fair and balanced here is a sham. And a diversion from the OP.




Nice attempt at a spin, perhaps you should see if fox is hiring.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/27/2014 6:34:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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First off your stories are often long and boring. Secondly we always see negative headers on your threads against Israel.
So it's obvious you are taking sides. The fact you are saying now both sides are equally bad is a lie. You don't even believe it yourself.
PS I checked your OP nothing bad about Palistinians... Where is your claim to be found exactly?

I am confident that Tweak can defend herself without my help but I couldn't resist responding to the points made above. Nobody has the obligation to be entertaining here. If you want entertainment go to a movie, turn on the telly, masturbate. Don't expect us to amuse you.

Secondly, so what if she were taking sides? This isn't Faux News. We are under no imperative to be fair and balanced. FFS.


Funny you would use Fox as an example because they do try to claim to be fair and balanced and I think most who have followed them know that's bullshit. Kinda like this case where the past posting history tells us one thing and the poster tells us another.

You would have an acceptable point if there were a 'fair and balanced' to report. However, Israel has always had a huge asymmetry of power over the Palestinians and has used that power to widen settlements and occupy or intrude into Palestinian villages. Any talk of fair and balanced here is a sham. And a diversion from the OP.




Nice attempt at a spin, perhaps you should see if fox is hiring.

Such a lame response and a just a continuation of avoiding the issue in the OP by attacking Tweak.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/27/2014 4:22:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Standard practice by some Vincent, anything to avoid the issue raised by the OP.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/30/2014 6:02:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just as I thought I had heard it all, along comes a new allegation of a war crime by the IDF. I'd never heard any one allege the IDF was using dumdum bullets before. As it is the first time, and I am unfamiliar with the source, a little bit of caution is warranted.

But surely no one could claim to be surprised by yet another allegation of war crimes against the IDF. There's already a mountain of such allegations from a variety of sources and media, a few of those allegations confirmed by convictions in Israeli courts. When the Govt itself contains bloodthirsty fanatics like Nat Bennet who is on the record as stating there's "nothing wrong" with killing Palestinians, and your day to day tasks include ethnic cleansing and enforcing apartheid, why would the thugs of the IDF feel any constraints?

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/30/2014 7:20:38 PM   
tweakabelle


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Status: offline 		Somehow, I neglected to include the link in the previous post. Here it is:
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/israeli-soldiers-are-allegedly-committing-war-crimes-in-palestine

Sorry for any inconvenience.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/31/2014 12:46:36 AM   
tweakabelle


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Status: offline 		A world away from the ugliness of Occupation, the peace process stutters along .... Pushed by US Sec of State Kerry, the talks are almost universally expected to fail. What happens then?

Thomas Fried.man, writing in the NYT, has this take on the state of play between the parties:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/29/opinion/friedman-why-kerry-is-scary.html

For Friedman, the current talks are the last chance for the lo:ng promised Two State Solution. Personally I feel that train has left long ago. But Friedman has a more optimistic take:
"If the Palestinians and Israelis find a way to proceed with the Kerry plan, everything is still possible. Success is hardly assured, but it will prove that it’s not midnight yet. But if either or both don’t agree, Kerry would have to take his mission to its logical, fanatical conclusion and declare the end of the negotiated two-state solution. (If not, he loses his credibility.)

If and when that happens, Israel, which controls the land, would have to either implement a unilateral withdrawal, live with the morally corrosive and globally isolating implications of a permanent West Bank occupation or design a new framework of one-state-for-two-people.

So that’s where we are: Israelis and Palestinians need to understand that Kerry’s mission is the last train to a negotiated two-state solution. The next train is the one coming at them."


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RE: Israel still torturing children - 1/31/2014 6:27:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

quote:

First off your stories are often long and boring. Secondly we always see negative headers on your threads against Israel.
So it's obvious you are taking sides. The fact you are saying now both sides are equally bad is a lie. You don't even believe it yourself.
PS I checked your OP nothing bad about Palistinians... Where is your claim to be found exactly?

I am confident that Tweak can defend herself without my help but I couldn't resist responding to the points made above. Nobody has the obligation to be entertaining here. If you want entertainment go to a movie, turn on the telly, masturbate. Don't expect us to amuse you.

Secondly, so what if she were taking sides? This isn't Faux News. We are under no imperative to be fair and balanced. FFS.


Funny you would use Fox as an example because they do try to claim to be fair and balanced and I think most who have followed them know that's bullshit. Kinda like this case where the past posting history tells us one thing and the poster tells us another.

You would have an acceptable point if there were a 'fair and balanced' to report. However, Israel has always had a huge asymmetry of power over the Palestinians and has used that power to widen settlements and occupy or intrude into Palestinian villages. Any talk of fair and balanced here is a sham. And a diversion from the OP.




Nice attempt at a spin, perhaps you should see if fox is hiring.

Such a lame response and a just a continuation of avoiding the issue in the OP by attacking Tweak.



No, I wasn't avoiding the issue, I was merely responding to your post. I can only work with what you give me. But I must have been pretty close or you would have come back with an intelligent rebuttal instead of the usual insult and request to get the subject back on track.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 2/1/2014 2:27:12 PM   
vincentML


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No, I wasn't avoiding the issue, I was merely responding to your post. I can only work with what you give me. But I must have been pretty close or you would have come back with an intelligent rebuttal instead of the usual insult and request to get the subject back on track.

But I agreed with you about 'fair & balanced' However, the issue is one of pronounced asymmetry. Israel continues to demolish Palestinian homes in the West Bank.

The United Nations has censured the Israeli regime for demolishing 36 Palestinian homes in the Jordan Valley.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 2/3/2014 12:24:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ethnic Cleansing Facts: Homes Demolished in Israel and Palestine

0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians,
and over 27,000 Palestinian homes have been demolished
by Israel since 1967.
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/homes.html

Is there anyone stupid enough to argue that this is not evidence of ethnic cleansing?

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 2/3/2014 4:16:21 AM   
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Is there anyone stupid enough to argue that this is not evidence of ethnic cleansing?


Yes..... They will be along soon enough so have a little patience.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 2/3/2014 6:59:48 AM   
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Is there anyone stupid enough to argue that this is not evidence of ethnic cleansing?



Western hypocrisy over Israel holds no boundaries. The USA in particular totally refuses to see Israel as no better than the surrounding countries. It is an apartheid regime and it is there for all to see. Palestinian land is being stolen and occupied little by little every day and court actions in Israel by Arabs are pointless because of biased judgements against Arabs. However you cut the cake, Israel is an apartheid state. Mandela said of Israel, he knows an apartheid state when he sees one.

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 2/3/2014 8:36:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Israel is torturing children, okay, I understand it is terrible.

How bout the millions of children working in sweat shops, scraping electronic parts in india by burning the PCB's to get the metal?

Dont they count?

Or is it because Israel is not part of those problems?



Though true...this line of thought is completely depressing...


When someone says to me that Iraq wasn`t that bad because we lost more than ten times as many soldiers in WWII...I kinda drop a loud verbal fact bomb on them....


Comparing suffering and tragedy levels is hardly a constructive exercise or even remotely to the point...These stats aren`t just cold numbers on a sheet...


What makes Israel`s apartheid-like conduct our business (the US`s) is that we`re financing it.




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RE: Israel still torturing children - 2/4/2014 7:09:45 PM   
tweakabelle


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Status: offline 		Ethnic cleansing facts:

Palestinians have destroyed 0 Israeli towns and/or villages
Israel has destroyed hundreds of Palestinian villages and/or towns since its foundation.


Israeli Forces Demolish Entire Village In Jordan Valley
Friday January 31, 2014

The Israeli army demolished, on Thursday, at least 50 structures, including residences, displacing 13 families in the northern Jordan Valley, as a result , according to a local official.
[...]
According to a report by WAFA Palestinian News & Info Agency, the army brought bulldozers to demolish the homes, animal barns and other structures which residents of Khirbet Um al-Jimal had been using for their daily living, said Aref Daraghmeh, head of the al-Maleh local council.

He described the Israeli measure against Khirbet Um al-Jimal and other similar locales in the northern Jordan Valley area as “another crime on the long list of crimes committed by the occupation forces in the area.”

Israel is seeking to empty the Jordan Valley of its Palestinian residents, who are mainly Bedouin, as it plans to keep it under its control in any future deal with the Palestinians."
http://www.imemc.org/article/66871

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RE: Israel still torturing children - 2/11/2014 2:04:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		In a massive blow against the forces of international terrorism, valiant soldiers of the notorious Givati Brigade of the IDF arrest a Palestinian child aged 5 years and 9 months for assaulting a colonist's car with a rock. Dramatic footage of the incident has surfaced showing the brave soldiers overcoming fierce local resistance to take the terrorist tot into custody. See it all for yourself here:

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2013/07/11/big-brave-israeli-soldiers-arrest-a-5-year-old-palestinian-video/

I don't know about you but I will be sleeping more soundly knowing that there is no depth too low for the IDF to plunge as it protects you, me and the entire West from such dastardly terrorist threats as the above.

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