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How Obamacare Helped Kill Unemployment Aid - 1/4/2014 4:42:13 AM   
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How Obamacare Helped Kill Unemployment Aid

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Obamacare obviously isn’t the only reason Americans are disgusted with their politicians. Adolescent partisan warfare in Washington, threats to default on U.S. debt in 2011 and 2013, and the October government shutdown have convinced many Americans their government is a laughingstock. Some conservatives even feel it helps their cause if the government looks incompetent, because it generates momentum to shrink it.

But the pitiful launch of Obamacare in October and the sorry performance of the healthcare.gov website had one resounding effect: President Obama basically lost the argument over whether government can be a competent contributor to American prosperity. Obama has long claimed government can help make people’s lives better. The Affordable Care Act gave him a chance to prove it. Many Americans have now drawn the opposite conclusion, driving Obama’s approval rating close to record lows and support for Obamacare to levels far lower than before it went into effect. By some measures, Obama’s ability to push for his policy agenda has never been weaker.





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RE: How Obamacare Helped Kill Unemployment Aid - 1/4/2014 6:18:29 AM   
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LOL.  Nutsacker conclusions.  So, the naming of post offices after Ronald Reagan being the only business of this house accomplished, the denial of any jobs bills, and the borrow and spend of the nutsackers these many decades have led thru the fumbling of websites to cause the nutsackers to deny their world reknown vigourous social agenda?  Say it ain't so, Jose.

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RE: How Obamacare Helped Kill Unemployment Aid - 1/4/2014 7:21:51 AM   
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Republicans in Collapse as Obamacare Enrollment Skyrockets in December

The entire Republican strategy has been to discourage people from enrolling in the ACA Judging by these numbers, they have completely failed. Republicans are basing their entire 2014 and 2016 strategies on running against Obamacare. Their plan is backfiring, and they are setting themselves up for an epic backlash.


The most damning part (emphasis mine)

Obama Approval up 5 points in week following Obamacare Deadline

Now that the ACA website is repaired, and millions of Americans are signing up, the media’s endless drumbeat of negativity has temporarily stopped. Without the Republican fueled Obama bashing from the corporate media, the president’s approval rating has gone up, and his disapproval rating has gone down.
Obama’s improved poll numbers also reflect the fact that Obamacare is working. Enrollment surged in December, and yesterday HHS announced that 6 million people now have healthcare coverage thanks to the ACA.




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RE: How Obamacare Helped Kill Unemployment Aid - 1/4/2014 7:53:55 AM   
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I wonder how many of those 6 million are part of the 16 million that lost their coverage?

Net = 10 million less insured Americans.

"Well played" for Obummer and the Pablum©-puking minions!





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RE: How Obamacare Helped Kill Unemployment Aid - 1/4/2014 7:56:38 AM   
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I guess the insurance corporations have got the nutsackers in thrall, as do all the other corporations.

10 million did not lose coverage due to Obamacare, in fact not one did.

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RE: How Obamacare Helped Kill Unemployment Aid - 1/4/2014 11:14:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsMJAY

Republicans in Collapse as Obamacare Enrollment Skyrockets in December

The entire Republican strategy has been to discourage people from enrolling in the ACA Judging by these numbers, they have completely failed. Republicans are basing their entire 2014 and 2016 strategies on running against Obamacare. Their plan is backfiring, and they are setting themselves up for an epic backlash.


The most damning part (emphasis mine)

Obama Approval up 5 points in week following Obamacare Deadline

Now that the ACA website is repaired, and millions of Americans are signing up, the media’s endless drumbeat of negativity has temporarily stopped. Without the Republican fueled Obama bashing from the corporate media, the president’s approval rating has gone up, and his disapproval rating has gone down.
Obama’s improved poll numbers also reflect the fact that Obamacare is working. Enrollment surged in December, and yesterday HHS announced that 6 million people now have healthcare coverage thanks to the ACA.




2.1 million people enrolled in healthcare. No word yet on how many people actually paid for it.

No word yet how many people will continue to pay for it.

Since more than 5 million people *lost* insurance at the end of the year and only 2.1 million have enrolled - at the very least thats 2.9 million less people with insurance.

So, I'm not sure what you're crowing about.

We can always have the federal government sign people up - and pay for their treatment. Bottom line is that Obamacare to date has cause a massive number of people to LOSE insurance.

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RE: How Obamacare Helped Kill Unemployment Aid - 1/4/2014 11:23:12 AM   
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how convenient you miss out on medicaid sign ups... 3.9 million

but seeing as you are using...*information* from oregon that hasnt even got their stuff working yet, and healthcare.gov, only "acceptable" in 36 states..you can move goal posts all you want, it wont make YOU anymore reliable for source material, LMFAO
or are you not interested because a majority of them are people who never had a good insurance plan before this and got shafted by....OMG the insurance companies, NOT obama,


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RE: How Obamacare Helped Kill Unemployment Aid - 1/4/2014 11:30:34 AM   
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Can't we all just get along and hate both the republicans and the democrats?

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RE: How Obamacare Helped Kill Unemployment Aid - 1/4/2014 11:32:58 AM   
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some of us do
I hate all politicians, no matter where they are from.
And the majority of those are from countries that have a social healthcare program.

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RE: How Obamacare Helped Kill Unemployment Aid - 1/4/2014 1:42:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I guess the insurance corporations have got the nutsackers in thrall, as do all the other corporations.

10 million did not lose coverage due to Obamacare, in fact not one did.


No one lost their healthcare due to Obamacare.

(This must be a semantics argument because, taken for its intent, I'm completely at a loss as to how you could argue that?)

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RE: How Obamacare Helped Kill Unemployment Aid - 1/4/2014 1:47:50 PM   
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how convenient you miss out on medicaid sign ups... 3.9 million

but seeing as you are using...*information* from oregon that hasnt even got their stuff working yet, and healthcare.gov, only "acceptable" in 36 states..you can move goal posts all you want, it wont make YOU anymore reliable for source material, LMFAO
or are you not interested because a majority of them are people who never had a good insurance plan before this and got shafted by....OMG the insurance companies, NOT obama,




really you want to count 3.9 million more people on welfare as ENROLLED in obamacare?

I mean really, if you were handing out free hotdogs at the park every bum in the neighborhood would show up for them!

I'd rank that right up there with soup kitchens are working around the clock to keep up with the demands of starving people

that's not much to brag about!

as for him being reliable for sources, that was NOT HIS SOURCE

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RE: How Obamacare Helped Kill Unemployment Aid - 1/4/2014 1:56:58 PM   
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really you want to count 3.9 million more people on welfare as ENROLLED in obamacare?

I mean really, if you were handing out free hotdogs at the park every bum in the neighborhood would show up for them!

I'd rank that right up there with soup kitchens are working around the clock to keep up with the demands of starving people

that's not much to brag about!

as for him being reliable for sources, that was NOT HIS SOURCE



its enabled them to get some decent much needed healthcare, , that you dont see it as a positive says more about you than Im willing to respond to, with any degree of civility or credulity...so find someone else to whinge at.


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RE: How Obamacare Helped Kill Unemployment Aid - 1/4/2014 2:01:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsMJAY

Republicans in Collapse as Obamacare Enrollment Skyrockets in December

The entire Republican strategy has been to discourage people from enrolling in the ACA Judging by these numbers, they have completely failed. Republicans are basing their entire 2014 and 2016 strategies on running against Obamacare. Their plan is backfiring, and they are setting themselves up for an epic backlash.


The most damning part (emphasis mine)

Obama Approval up 5 points in week following Obamacare Deadline

Now that the ACA website is repaired, and millions of Americans are signing up, the media’s endless drumbeat of negativity has temporarily stopped. Without the Republican fueled Obama bashing from the corporate media, the president’s approval rating has gone up, and his disapproval rating has gone down.
Obama’s improved poll numbers also reflect the fact that Obamacare is working. Enrollment surged in December, and yesterday HHS announced that 6 million people now have healthcare coverage thanks to the ACA.






as for your first link, I would expect NOTHING else from a site that labels itself as, "POLITICUS USA REAL LIBERAL POLITICS"

if the republicans were having a square dance that site would run this headline "REPUBLICANS ARE RUNNING AROUND LIKE CHICKENS WITH THIER HEADS CUT OFF" then claim it wasn't a dance at all but just them running in circles in PANIC!

did someone mention RELIABLE SOURCES?

so lets SUM THE WHOLE THING UP, prior to obamacare we had 30 million uninsured, assuming 6 million lost their insurance, we now we still have 30 million uninsured with 3.9 million more on welfare!

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RE: How Obamacare Helped Kill Unemployment Aid - 1/4/2014 2:07:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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really you want to count 3.9 million more people on welfare as ENROLLED in obamacare?

I mean really, if you were handing out free hotdogs at the park every bum in the neighborhood would show up for them!

I'd rank that right up there with soup kitchens are working around the clock to keep up with the demands of starving people

that's not much to brag about!

as for him being reliable for sources, that was NOT HIS SOURCE



its enabled them to get some decent much needed healthcare, , that you dont see it as a positive says more about you than Im willing to respond to, with any degree of civility or credulity...so find someone else to whinge at.


I didn't say it was BAD that they have coverage, I just said putting MORE PEOPLE ON WELFARE is nothing to BRAG ABOUT!

those 3.9 people ARE NOT ENROLLED IN OBAMACARE, they are ENROLLED IN WELFARE AKA MEDICAIDE

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RE: How Obamacare Helped Kill Unemployment Aid - 1/4/2014 2:08:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BitYakin


quote:

ORIGINAL: MsMJAY

Republicans in Collapse as Obamacare Enrollment Skyrockets in December

The entire Republican strategy has been to discourage people from enrolling in the ACA Judging by these numbers, they have completely failed. Republicans are basing their entire 2014 and 2016 strategies on running against Obamacare. Their plan is backfiring, and they are setting themselves up for an epic backlash.


The most damning part (emphasis mine)

Obama Approval up 5 points in week following Obamacare Deadline

Now that the ACA website is repaired, and millions of Americans are signing up, the media’s endless drumbeat of negativity has temporarily stopped. Without the Republican fueled Obama bashing from the corporate media, the president’s approval rating has gone up, and his disapproval rating has gone down.
Obama’s improved poll numbers also reflect the fact that Obamacare is working. Enrollment surged in December, and yesterday HHS announced that 6 million people now have healthcare coverage thanks to the ACA.






as for your first link, I would expect NOTHING else from a site that labels itself as, "POLITICUS USA REAL LIBERAL POLITICS"

if the republicans were having a square dance that site would run this headline "REPUBLICANS ARE RUNNING AROUND LIKE CHICKENS WITH THIER HEADS CUT OFF" then claim it wasn't a dance at all but just them running in circles in PANIC!

did someone mention RELIABLE SOURCES?

so lets SUM THE WHOLE THING UP, prior to obamacare we had 30 million uninsured, assuming 6 million lost their insurance, we now we still have 30 million uninsured with 3.9 million more on welfare!


Anyone who so called "lost" healthcare can still get healthcare. That is a provision of the ACA. Whether or not they choose to sign up is their prerogative but they still have access to healthcare.

As for welfare. I could care less if they are rich or poor. They should have access to healthcare. I know some people think that the poor should just be allowed to die off either from starvation or illness, but in civilized society we try to keep that from happening.

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RE: How Obamacare Helped Kill Unemployment Aid - 1/4/2014 2:27:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsMJAY


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ORIGINAL: BitYakin


quote:

ORIGINAL: MsMJAY

Republicans in Collapse as Obamacare Enrollment Skyrockets in December

The entire Republican strategy has been to discourage people from enrolling in the ACA Judging by these numbers, they have completely failed. Republicans are basing their entire 2014 and 2016 strategies on running against Obamacare. Their plan is backfiring, and they are setting themselves up for an epic backlash.


The most damning part (emphasis mine)

Obama Approval up 5 points in week following Obamacare Deadline

Now that the ACA website is repaired, and millions of Americans are signing up, the media’s endless drumbeat of negativity has temporarily stopped. Without the Republican fueled Obama bashing from the corporate media, the president’s approval rating has gone up, and his disapproval rating has gone down.
Obama’s improved poll numbers also reflect the fact that Obamacare is working. Enrollment surged in December, and yesterday HHS announced that 6 million people now have healthcare coverage thanks to the ACA.






as for your first link, I would expect NOTHING else from a site that labels itself as, "POLITICUS USA REAL LIBERAL POLITICS"

if the republicans were having a square dance that site would run this headline "REPUBLICANS ARE RUNNING AROUND LIKE CHICKENS WITH THIER HEADS CUT OFF" then claim it wasn't a dance at all but just them running in circles in PANIC!

did someone mention RELIABLE SOURCES?

so lets SUM THE WHOLE THING UP, prior to obamacare we had 30 million uninsured, assuming 6 million lost their insurance, we now we still have 30 million uninsured with 3.9 million more on welfare!


Anyone who so called "lost" healthcare can still get healthcare. That is a provision of the ACA. Whether or not they choose to sign up is their prerogative but they still have access to healthcare.

As for welfare. I could care less if they are rich or poor. They should have access to healthcare. I know some people think that the poor should just be allowed to die off either from starvation or illness, but in civilized society we try to keep that from happening.


I never said they couldn't still get healthcare, the real question is CAN THEY AFFORD the higher cost of the new healthcare...

don't know about you, but most of the people I KNOW make X amount of dollars per month, and are living at the edge of their means, SOME just barely surviving on what they make! tack an extra 100 or 2 onto their monthly expenses and they are NOW in the RED each month

thats not what I call AFORDABLE


BTW, I live in a fairly poor area, inner city st Louis, pop aprox 3 million. and I have never meet nor even heard of ANYONE EVER either starving to death or dying of a curable disease due to lack of INS..

I do know of a few people who FROZE TO DEATH though! not that INS would have helped them with that though

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RE: How Obamacare Helped Kill Unemployment Aid - 1/4/2014 4:30:31 PM   
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This headline makes about as much sense as your claim that Nelson Mandela was a white supremacist, and that Tayvon Martin was as asshole who "had it coming."

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RE: How Obamacare Helped Kill Unemployment Aid - 1/5/2014 12:18:50 AM   
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LOL.  Nutsacker conclusions.  So, the naming of post offices after Ronald Reagan being the only business of this house accomplished, the denial of any jobs bills, and the borrow and spend of the nutsackers these many decades have led thru the fumbling of websites to cause the nutsackers to deny their world reknown vigourous social agenda?  Say it ain't so, Jose.


Yup, President Snow is,....."focused on the economy like a lazer", isn't he?

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RE: How Obamacare Helped Kill Unemployment Aid - 1/5/2014 7:07:34 AM   
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I never said they couldn't still get healthcare, the real question is CAN THEY AFFORD the higher cost of the new healthcare...

don't know about you, but most of the people I KNOW make X amount of dollars per month, and are living at the edge of their means, SOME just barely surviving on what they make! tack an extra 100 or 2 onto their monthly expenses and they are NOW in the RED each month

thats not what I call AFORDABLE


BTW, I live in a fairly poor area, inner city st Louis, pop aprox 3 million. and I have never meet nor even heard of ANYONE EVER either starving to death or dying of a curable disease due to lack of INS..

I do know of a few people who FROZE TO DEATH though! not that INS would have helped them with that though


Can they afford it? I am sure some can. I am equally as sure that some cannot. That is why the ACA provides subsidies for many of those who cannot afford it. The ACA isn’t perfect and there is still a lot more work to be done as far as healthcare goes in the US. I still believe the ACA is better than what we had and it is better than continuing to do nothing like we have for all these years.

The reason you never hear of people starving to death is because we have safety nets in place that mitigate that. There are a lot of politicians who want to remove those safety nets and let the chips (or bodies) fall where they may.

No one dies from lack of insurance. They die from lack of healthcare which (for now) insurance helps to provide for. There are peer reviewed medical studies that show that uninsured people are more likely to get diagnosed for curable diseases at later stages than insured people. People who do not have insurance usually put off going to the doctor because of the financial cost. Diseases like breast cancer, cervical cancer, and colorectal cancer are treatable/curable with early detection. If the patient waits those same diseases become fatal. I have known several people (some were in my own family) who died because of this. I would be willing to bet that most people know at least one or two people that this happened to.

BTW- I know of people who have frozen to death also. Sad. Homelessness is the next issue we are going to have to tackle in this country.

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RE: How Obamacare Helped Kill Unemployment Aid - 1/5/2014 7:43:54 AM   
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Anyone who so called "lost" healthcare can still get healthcare. That is a provision of the ACA. Whether or not they choose to sign up is their prerogative but they still have access to healthcare.

Of course they can as long as they can afford the increase. Of course using that logic everyone had access to healthcare before, as long as they could afford it

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As for welfare. I could care less if they are rich or poor. They should have access to healthcare. I know some people think that the poor should just be allowed to die off either from starvation or illness, but in civilized society we try to keep that from happening.


Why is it that some libs seems to equate not being happy with Obamacare to wanting the poor to die off? They could have expanded medicare without the ACA and those same people would have been helped. Then perhaps they would have had time to come up with a plan to get the rest of the country covered.

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