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EdBowie -> RE: All Quiet on Benghazi (1/7/2014 4:29:45 PM)

Are you talking about the 'Navy SEAL' who wrote the 'tell all' about holding the dying ambassador in his arms, while shooting down scores of bad guys... and who, when it was pointed out that he had signed after action reports claiming to have been nowhere near there that night, ran away?

That's your 'on the ground' source?


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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aint nothing in the way of good leadership anywhere on the horizon out there, it is like looking at todays 'republican' party.


Are you suggesting we send Sarah "Let Allah Sort It Out" Palin to the ME as a peace envoy? We could send Cheney, but he'd be arrested for war crimes. Maybe Chris Christie could shut down the shipping lanes to help show'em whose boss.


Lets see.. you accuse me the right wing of 'echo chamber news sources - and yet admitted you wouldn't read an opposing point of view - such as the article that demonstrated just how injurious that new york times piece was to Obama's narrative.

You accuse the right wing of "identity politics" and then engage in the same for example: "Crickets from the right wing."
Or your opening paragraph - that attacks the right wing. Or the quote post -which again attacks the right wing.

What would satisfy me?
The president admitting he lied and apologizing to the american people for lying.

The President giving compensation to the vets and to the libyans who were aiding us that lost their lives or were wounded. And asking their forgiviness.

A settlement to the man who was the movie maker.

Reinstatement of the people that were relieved of command or passed by for promotion.

And declassifying (and releasing) all informaiton that wouldn't jeopardize current operations.

It really isn't asking that much actually. Justice for the men and women that put their lives on the line for us.










Phydeaux -> RE: All Quiet on Benghazi (1/7/2014 5:09:54 PM)

Pish posh.

Tell me when I have ever quoted that asshole. That was obvious bullshit from the first day when the *libyans* took stevens to the hospital and dialed the second in command from the hospital around 3 am.

Those details were in the public domain the day after the attack - if you bother to, like you know, read any real news sources.




EdBowie -> RE: All Quiet on Benghazi (1/7/2014 5:50:25 PM)

The 'news sources' you've been asked for repeatedly and not provided. Again... some more... as usual.

So who exactly are your 'on the ground sources'... and some blogger fantasizing about what happened, doesn't count. Neither does incoherent babble about 'in the public domain'.

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2.The status of publications, products, and processes that are not protected under patent or copyright


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Pish posh.

Tell me when I have ever quoted that asshole. That was obvious bullshit from the first day when the *libyans* took stevens to the hospital and dialed the second in command from the hospital around 3 am.

Those details were in the public domain the day after the attack - if you bother to, like you know, read any real news sources.





popeye1250 -> RE: All Quiet on Benghazi (1/8/2014 10:15:56 AM)

Cloud, thankyou for answering my questions on post "25" above.
If the republicans regain control over the senate in the fall (and it's looking more and more like they will after that amnesty vote last year)
then there's a real shot at impeaching and convicting Erkel and throwing a monkey wrench into H. Clinton's hopes of running and possably prosecuting her.




Phydeaux -> RE: All Quiet on Benghazi (1/8/2014 10:19:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Cloud, thankyou for answering my questions on post "25" above.
If the republicans regain control over the senate in the fall (and it's looking more and more like they will after that amnesty vote last year)
then there's a real shot at impeaching and convicting Erkel and throwing a monkey wrench into H. Clinton's hopes of running and possably prosecuting her.


Popeye,
Impeachment would be a disaster. Bite your tongue. The best reason to win control of the senate is to block the further balkanization of the govt - ie., to stop further extreme left wing people being approved to long term sinecures.

Second best reason: Treaty approval.

Govern responsibly, and then have a good chance of kicking dims out in 2016 and then yanking out obamacare by the roots.




Tkman117 -> RE: All Quiet on Benghazi (1/8/2014 10:26:53 AM)

Govern responsibly? Republicans?? Thats a laugh XD XD XD There's a better chance that pigs will start flying before that happens XD And extreme LEFT? XD OMG, so funny XD I didn't realize the Left was attacking abortion clinics and environmental scientists and engaging in all around terrorist activities XD




Kana -> RE: All Quiet on Benghazi (1/8/2014 10:31:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Cloud, thankyou for answering my questions on post "25" above.
If the republicans regain control over the senate in the fall (and it's looking more and more like they will after that amnesty vote last year)
then there's a real shot at impeaching and convicting Erkel and throwing a monkey wrench into H. Clinton's hopes of running and possably prosecuting her.

No American should want impeachment.
It would be a disaster for all sides. The damage done would linger for at least a decade. Not to mention that it would harden already entrenched battle lines until there was no hope of any bipartisanship.
It would fucking blow,a prolonged national nightmare drawn out on an international stage.

We have more important shit to do. The foundations and institutions we built our society on are crumbing all around us-party fighting is Nero fiddling while Rome turns to ashes




Phydeaux -> RE: All Quiet on Benghazi (1/8/2014 10:49:54 AM)

I did leave one thing out on what would satisfy me on ben ghazi.

Oliar proclaimed that al-qaieda was on the run. Yet al-aqaieda inspired groups are pouring into Syria (Isis). They have captured anbar province in Iraq. They essentially run the country in Libya (thanks Ostupid) and have poured into Egypt.

I don't care if what policy he sets towards al-qaieda. But I would like to see a carefully enunciated policy, and then enactment of that policy.

Do we throw the towel in on prosecution of the war against al-qaieda?
If we don't - then why aren't we selling fighters to Iraq?




mnottertail -> RE: All Quiet on Benghazi (1/8/2014 11:13:06 AM)

I knew of Fallujah and Remani, but not of Anbar province as a whole.  The fact that we stepped out of the Syrian thing, and that we are getting out of the middle east of course lends less influence, and that is an American desire, not just nutsackers now that they have fucked up the region.

Arab spring also spread al Queda....

I dont think the nutsacker analysis is  more than hallucination.  If we sell fighters to Iraq, wouldn't we be selling them to al Queda?   I mean thats how this shit started way back was selling them to Iraq against Iran, you know, St. Wrinklemeat and the nutsackers.  







Owner59 -> RE: All Quiet on Benghazi (1/8/2014 9:38:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Cloud, thankyou for answering my questions on post "25" above.
If the republicans regain control over the senate in the fall (and it's looking more and more like they will after that amnesty vote last year)
then there's a real shot at impeaching and convicting Erkel and throwing a monkey wrench into H. Clinton's hopes of running and possably prosecuting her.


Popeye,
Impeachment would be a disaster. Bite your tongue. The best reason to win control of the senate is to block the further balkanization of the govt - ie., to stop further extreme left wing people being approved to long term sinecures.

Second best reason: Treaty approval.

Govern responsibly, and then have a good chance of kicking dims out in 2016 and then yanking out obamacare by the roots.


I don`t know guys.....

The alt reality thing your party is into is telling them that closing the government was and is still, a good thing(even though it put your party in the lower single digits)....

They think low approval ratings and falling poll numbers are a good thing....[:D]

Don`t put it past them to make more really bad choices and embarrass themselves further.

Btw,...seeing the rightists and fux-news puff up and cream after the 20 Minutes Benghazi piece,only to find out that they had been fooled yet again..... was delightful.

The disappointment and demoralization was like ambrosia.





Kana -> RE: All Quiet on Benghazi (1/9/2014 11:57:12 AM)

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The alt reality thing your party is into is telling them that closing the government was and is still, a good thing(even though it put your party in the lower single digits)....

Well, WTF are ya gonna do when the other side refuses to talk or compromise?

Congress holds the purse strings for a reason ya know...

(And I'm not even an R. I'm a registered indy who's worked for some of the most liberal politicians in America.)




DomKen -> RE: All Quiet on Benghazi (1/9/2014 12:48:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kana

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The alt reality thing your party is into is telling them that closing the government was and is still, a good thing(even though it put your party in the lower single digits)....

Well, WTF are ya gonna do when the other side refuses to talk or compromise?

Congress holds the purse strings for a reason ya know...

(And I'm not even an R. I'm a registered indy who's worked for some of the most liberal politicians in America.)

What compromise was ever offered by the House before they shut down the government?




Kana -> RE: All Quiet on Benghazi (1/9/2014 1:40:53 PM)

They wanted to delay implementation of Obamacare for a year...which, considering how the roll-out went,might not have been such a bad move for The CiC to take.




mnottertail -> RE: All Quiet on Benghazi (1/9/2014 1:49:53 PM)

It wasn't up to the Prez.  They did a big compromise, they gave Mitch McConnell a 3 billion IOU for his pork.

None of the compromises offered by the nutsackers were good for the economy, the debt or deficit, this was apparently the least atrocious of them.  It aint like they were looking to do the right thing, they just wanted to fuck anything up they could under the guise of nutsacker statesmanship.

Lets call turds turds here. 




DomKen -> RE: All Quiet on Benghazi (1/9/2014 2:33:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kana

They wanted to delay implementation of Obamacare for a year...which, considering how the roll-out went,might not have been such a bad move for The CiC to take.


No. They did not. That was one of the dumbass demands they made after they shut down the government. The plan was clearly win a delay and then do it again in a year. And while the rollout was bumpy it has been a smashing success millions of people who did not have health insurance now do.




Phydeaux -> RE: All Quiet on Benghazi (1/15/2014 12:21:29 AM)

So declassified information released today:


Carter Ham, commander of africom was notified of the attack on the embassy within minutes of the attack, via a call from the consulate.

He advised Defense Secretary Panetta and Gen Martin Dempsey that it was a terrorist attack.

Panetta has testified according to transcripts to the Senate Armed Services that there was no doubt in his mind that it was a terrorist attack.

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Panetta told the Senate Armed Services Committee in February of last year that it was him who informed the president that "there was an apparent attack going on in Benghazi." "Secretary Panetta, do you believe that unequivocally at that time we knew that this was a terrorist attack?" asked Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla. "There was no question in my mind that this was a terrorist attack," Panetta replied.


Two senior state department officials also testified that it was a terrorist attack

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Senior State Department officials who were in direct, real-time contact with the Americans under assault in Benghazi have also made clear they, too, knew immediately -- from surveillance video and eyewitness accounts -- that the incident was a terrorist attack. After providing the first substantive "tick-tock" of the events in Benghazi, during a background briefing conducted on the evening of Oct. 9, 2012, a reporter asked two top aides to then-Secretary Clinton: "What in all of these events that you've described led officials to believe for the first several days that this was prompted by protests against the video?"

"That is a question that you would have to ask others," replied one of the senior officials. "That was not our conclusion."



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Ham's declassified testimony further underscores that Obama's earliest briefing on Benghazi was solely to the effect that the incident was a terrorist attack, and raises once again the question of how the narrative about the offensive video, and a demonstration that never occurred, took root within the White House as the explanation for Benghazi.



(Gibson, commander stationed in tripoli)
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WESTRUP: "So no one from the military was ever advising, that you are aware of, that this was a demonstration gone out of control, it was always considered an attack -"

BRISTOL: "Yes, sir."

WENSTRUP: "-- on the United States?"

BRISTOL: "Yes, sir. ... We referred to it as the attack."



So, once again as I stated at the beginning. This entire report of a demonstration at the consulate was a lie to the american people done deliberately for Obama's political gain.

There never was a demonstration.

And the administration knew for more than 2 weeks that it was a terrorist attack.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/14/benghazi-transcripts-top-defense-officials-briefed-obama-on-attack-not-video-or/




mnottertail -> RE: All Quiet on Benghazi (1/15/2014 7:47:19 AM)

So, again informed that they were under terrorist attack these same area commanders couldn't get the war machines to the compound  in time to do shit, as they also stated in the hearings.

And now we have? 




EdBowie -> RE: All Quiet on Benghazi (1/15/2014 9:20:35 AM)

Do you grasp the concept of classified information? This nonsense that if Obama doesn't put out the nuclear launch codes on Twitter, he's 'lied to the American people' is getting ridiculous to the extreme.


Nothing about controlling the release of sensitive information through a cover story after the fact caused a single death. The Republicans refusing to fund security upgrades for that particular embassy may have.

This is simply another 'Kill Whitey video' manufactured faux scandal.



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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

So declassified information released today:


Carter Ham, commander of africom was notified of the attack on the embassy within minutes of the attack, via a call from the consulate.

He advised Defense Secretary Panetta and Gen Martin Dempsey that it was a terrorist attack.

Panetta has testified according to transcripts to the Senate Armed Services that there was no doubt in his mind that it was a terrorist attack.

quote:


Panetta told the Senate Armed Services Committee in February of last year that it was him who informed the president that "there was an apparent attack going on in Benghazi." "Secretary Panetta, do you believe that unequivocally at that time we knew that this was a terrorist attack?" asked Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla. "There was no question in my mind that this was a terrorist attack," Panetta replied.


Two senior state department officials also testified that it was a terrorist attack

quote:


Senior State Department officials who were in direct, real-time contact with the Americans under assault in Benghazi have also made clear they, too, knew immediately -- from surveillance video and eyewitness accounts -- that the incident was a terrorist attack. After providing the first substantive "tick-tock" of the events in Benghazi, during a background briefing conducted on the evening of Oct. 9, 2012, a reporter asked two top aides to then-Secretary Clinton: "What in all of these events that you've described led officials to believe for the first several days that this was prompted by protests against the video?"

"That is a question that you would have to ask others," replied one of the senior officials. "That was not our conclusion."



quote:


Ham's declassified testimony further underscores that Obama's earliest briefing on Benghazi was solely to the effect that the incident was a terrorist attack, and raises once again the question of how the narrative about the offensive video, and a demonstration that never occurred, took root within the White House as the explanation for Benghazi.



(Gibson, commander stationed in tripoli)
quote:


WESTRUP: "So no one from the military was ever advising, that you are aware of, that this was a demonstration gone out of control, it was always considered an attack -"

BRISTOL: "Yes, sir."

WENSTRUP: "-- on the United States?"

BRISTOL: "Yes, sir. ... We referred to it as the attack."



So, once again as I stated at the beginning. This entire report of a demonstration at the consulate was a lie to the american people done deliberately for Obama's political gain.

There never was a demonstration.

And the administration knew for more than 2 weeks that it was a terrorist attack.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/14/benghazi-transcripts-top-defense-officials-briefed-obama-on-attack-not-video-or/






Lucylastic -> RE: All Quiet on Benghazi (1/15/2014 11:17:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

Do you grasp the concept of classified information? This nonsense that if Obama doesn't put out the nuclear launch codes on Twitter, he's 'lied to the American people' is getting ridiculous to the extreme.


Nothing about controlling the release of sensitive information through a cover story after the fact caused a single death. The Republicans refusing to fund security upgrades for that particular embassy may have.

This is simply another 'Kill Whitey video' manufactured faux scandal.





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Phydeaux -> RE: All Quiet on Benghazi (1/15/2014 2:33:00 PM)

OH Controlling classified information is it?

So that's why relevant CIA & state dept employees and are given a monthly polygraph exam whether they've leaked out information about Benghazi. Because nuclear codes are involved is that it?

You'd have thought that if it was really about controlling access to sensitive information - they'd have secured the CIA safe house. Instead, classified information was strewed all over - as CNN reported - and turned in some classified documents to the administration TWO WEEKS AFTER THE EVENT.

SURE, securing information was the goal.

And as for no one dying: That's just factually wrong as well. That information that the militants captured led to the rollup of the American information network in Libya, and the death of at least one agent.


Finally, the predictable stupidity of your argument is breathtaking.

We called it a reaction to a video as a cover story because the fact that it was a terror action was top-secret.
Ignore the fact that American's have known about hundreds of terror attacks. You might have heard of two in New York. One in Washington. On in Pennsyvania.

You might have heard of Beirut. Or the USS Kohl. Yeah. Funny thing how the administration classified all those as Top Secret.

Yeah - a terrorist attack against America deserves top secret classification.

But lets say I buy your absolutely stupid argument.

You have to at the very least admit the administration was incompetent. I mean - not only do they tell a LIE that is blatantly obvious to anyone in Benghazi. They don't both to coordinate the lie with the Libyan government. They don't bother to coordinate the lie with the state department, which admitted 3 days after the event it was a terrorist activity.

But hey progress - we've finally gotten a die-hard democrat to admit it was a blatant, LIE.
quote:

ORIGINAL: EdBowie

Do you grasp the concept of classified information? This nonsense that if Obama doesn't put out the nuclear launch codes on Twitter, he's 'lied to the American people' is getting ridiculous to the extreme.


Nothing about controlling the release of sensitive information through a cover story after the fact caused a single death. The Republicans refusing to fund security upgrades for that particular embassy may have.

This is simply another 'Kill Whitey video' manufactured faux scandal.



quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

So declassified information released today:


Carter Ham, commander of africom was notified of the attack on the embassy within minutes of the attack, via a call from the consulate.

He advised Defense Secretary Panetta and Gen Martin Dempsey that it was a terrorist attack.

Panetta has testified according to transcripts to the Senate Armed Services that there was no doubt in his mind that it was a terrorist attack.

quote:


Panetta told the Senate Armed Services Committee in February of last year that it was him who informed the president that "there was an apparent attack going on in Benghazi." "Secretary Panetta, do you believe that unequivocally at that time we knew that this was a terrorist attack?" asked Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla. "There was no question in my mind that this was a terrorist attack," Panetta replied.


Two senior state department officials also testified that it was a terrorist attack

quote:


Senior State Department officials who were in direct, real-time contact with the Americans under assault in Benghazi have also made clear they, too, knew immediately -- from surveillance video and eyewitness accounts -- that the incident was a terrorist attack. After providing the first substantive "tick-tock" of the events in Benghazi, during a background briefing conducted on the evening of Oct. 9, 2012, a reporter asked two top aides to then-Secretary Clinton: "What in all of these events that you've described led officials to believe for the first several days that this was prompted by protests against the video?"

"That is a question that you would have to ask others," replied one of the senior officials. "That was not our conclusion."



quote:


Ham's declassified testimony further underscores that Obama's earliest briefing on Benghazi was solely to the effect that the incident was a terrorist attack, and raises once again the question of how the narrative about the offensive video, and a demonstration that never occurred, took root within the White House as the explanation for Benghazi.



(Gibson, commander stationed in tripoli)
quote:


WESTRUP: "So no one from the military was ever advising, that you are aware of, that this was a demonstration gone out of control, it was always considered an attack -"

BRISTOL: "Yes, sir."

WENSTRUP: "-- on the United States?"

BRISTOL: "Yes, sir. ... We referred to it as the attack."



So, once again as I stated at the beginning. This entire report of a demonstration at the consulate was a lie to the american people done deliberately for Obama's political gain.

There never was a demonstration.

And the administration knew for more than 2 weeks that it was a terrorist attack.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/14/benghazi-transcripts-top-defense-officials-briefed-obama-on-attack-not-video-or/








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