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Phydeaux -> RE: All Quiet on Benghazi (1/16/2014 2:25:18 PM)
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Now that's strawman. I've never said "only reason that 4 people died in Benghazi is because the administration said the protests were about the movie"
Complete and utter lie. Quote me any time where I've said that.
To the contrary, the death of 4 americans means this should be a matter that EVERYONE wants to get to the bottom of. I am outraged because:
a). The attack was foreseeable, and the administration was warned - and chose to do nothing about the warnings because it was contradictory to their preferred narrative. The narrative they used - that they had successful foreign policy, that al-qaieda was on the run. They put their re-election politics on a higher priority than the care of American servicemen.
b. Security was lax - and shouldn't have been.
c. It pisses me off the administration lied about it. As I said in my first post, they knew within minutes that it wasn't a terrorist attack. And this was a baldfaced gratuitous LIE.
d. They have sidelined the careers of agents, diplomats and military that told the truth against their preferred narrative. Hicks has made the flat out accusation that he has been sidelined. And while Hams, and the commander of the Stennis, and the commander of the fast response team have been heroic in their following the chain of command - all the more reason the *rest* of us should be agitating for a full investigation and restitution.
If these men did anything wrong they attempted to respond to americans in distress. And if they are going to be punished for that, then I think the American people need to know.
e. The administration has lied about the full and complete investigation. The organizers of the attack have been photographed in cafes walking about the city. But our administration is incompetent to bring them to justice?
Or could it be that we don't *want* to bring them to justice out of fear of what they might say.
f. The administration failed to secure the CIA annex. This resulted in our entire security network being rolled up at a time when intelligence is KEY as islamacists are polarizing Libyan society.
g. The administration made damn little effort to aid americans under attack. It was more important for Obama to get on AirForce one to Nevada for a fundraiser than it was to try to scramble aid.
Had the administration came out and said - hey, we fucked up. This is what we did wrong - and here's how we're going to fix it, and if they had taken care of the people that made heroic efforts to try to help our diplomats; if they had at least tried to have an honest investigation rather than appointing democratic shills
then I wouldn't have been pissed off.
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ORIGINAL: EdBowie
Strawman fail. I've never claimed that there was no attack/or just a demonstration, that's pure fabrication on your part.
And I've never posted anything about planes in range.
So no matter what font you use to claim I lied, the only lies here are yours.
The claim I'm debunking is the ridiculous insistence that the only reason that 4 people died in Benghazi is because the administration said the protests were about the movie after the killings had already occurred.
But then again, I'm operating in the universe of reality, not the universe of 'make shit up to score imaginary partisan points on the internet'.
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Feel free to provide some quotes.
You know. Proving that the attack was a demonstration - not a planned terrorist strike.
Because so far - pretty much everyone (including Feinstein) admits there was no demonstration.
L-I-E.
Just like the statement there were no planes within range was a L-I-E.
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ORIGINAL: EdBowie
Exploding into an incomprehensible rant that has nothing to do with the subject at hand is a piss-poor way to hide from being proven flat out wrong.
But, I suppose if it's all you've got...
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
OH Controlling classified information is it?
So that's why relevant CIA & state dept employees and are given a monthly polygraph exam whether they've leaked out information about Benghazi. Because nuclear codes are involved is that it?
You'd have thought that if it was really about controlling access to sensitive information - they'd have secured the CIA safe house. Instead, classified information was strewed all over - as CNN reported - and turned in some classified documents to the administration TWO WEEKS AFTER THE EVENT.
SURE, securing information was the goal.
And as for no one dying: That's just factually wrong as well. That information that the militants captured led to the rollup of the American information network in Libya, and the death of at least one agent.
Finally, the predictable stupidity of your argument is breathtaking.
We called it a reaction to a video as a cover story because the fact that it was a terror action was top-secret.
Ignore the fact that American's have known about hundreds of terror attacks. You might have heard of two in New York. One in Washington. On in Pennsyvania.
You might have heard of Beirut. Or the USS Kohl. Yeah. Funny thing how the administration classified all those as Top Secret.
Yeah - a terrorist attack against America deserves top secret classification.
But lets say I buy your absolutely stupid argument.
You have to at the very least admit the administration was incompetent. I mean - not only do they tell a LIE that is blatantly obvious to anyone in Benghazi. They don't both to coordinate the lie with the Libyan government. They don't bother to coordinate the lie with the state department, which admitted 3 days after the event it was a terrorist activity.
But hey progress - we've finally gotten a die-hard democrat to admit it was a blatant, LIE.
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ORIGINAL: EdBowie
Do you grasp the concept of classified information? This nonsense that if Obama doesn't put out the nuclear launch codes on Twitter, he's 'lied to the American people' is getting ridiculous to the extreme.
Nothing about controlling the release of sensitive information through a cover story after the fact caused a single death. The Republicans refusing to fund security upgrades for that particular embassy may have.
This is simply another 'Kill Whitey video' manufactured faux scandal.
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
So declassified information released today:
Carter Ham, commander of africom was notified of the attack on the embassy within minutes of the attack, via a call from the consulate.
He advised Defense Secretary Panetta and Gen Martin Dempsey that it was a terrorist attack.
Panetta has testified according to transcripts to the Senate Armed Services that there was no doubt in his mind that it was a terrorist attack.
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Panetta told the Senate Armed Services Committee in February of last year that it was him who informed the president that "there was an apparent attack going on in Benghazi." "Secretary Panetta, do you believe that unequivocally at that time we knew that this was a terrorist attack?" asked Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla. "There was no question in my mind that this was a terrorist attack," Panetta replied.
Two senior state department officials also testified that it was a terrorist attack
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Senior State Department officials who were in direct, real-time contact with the Americans under assault in Benghazi have also made clear they, too, knew immediately -- from surveillance video and eyewitness accounts -- that the incident was a terrorist attack. After providing the first substantive "tick-tock" of the events in Benghazi, during a background briefing conducted on the evening of Oct. 9, 2012, a reporter asked two top aides to then-Secretary Clinton: "What in all of these events that you've described led officials to believe for the first several days that this was prompted by protests against the video?"
"That is a question that you would have to ask others," replied one of the senior officials. "That was not our conclusion."
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Ham's declassified testimony further underscores that Obama's earliest briefing on Benghazi was solely to the effect that the incident was a terrorist attack, and raises once again the question of how the narrative about the offensive video, and a demonstration that never occurred, took root within the White House as the explanation for Benghazi.
(Gibson, commander stationed in tripoli)
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WESTRUP: "So no one from the military was ever advising, that you are aware of, that this was a demonstration gone out of control, it was always considered an attack -"
BRISTOL: "Yes, sir."
WENSTRUP: "-- on the United States?"
BRISTOL: "Yes, sir. ... We referred to it as the attack."
So, once again as I stated at the beginning. This entire report of a demonstration at the consulate was a lie to the american people done deliberately for Obama's political gain.
There never was a demonstration.
And the administration knew for more than 2 weeks that it was a terrorist attack.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/14/benghazi-transcripts-top-defense-officials-briefed-obama-on-attack-not-video-or/
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